IDW Bebop and Rocksteady

*Jephael* · 03-17-2012, 04:01 PM

While the lovable goofball classic toon version of them will always have a special place in my heart, I love how badass they are this time around and I really want to see them stay that way in the new comic book! I'm really anxious to see them fight all four Turtles at some point! Their appearance does have me wondering if we'll get to see any other classic characters from the old days like Groundchuck and Dirtbag, or Jagwar and Dreadmon.

**Jester** · 03-17-2012, 04:03 PM

Dude, they've been in what...5 pages. We have no clue how bad a... they are.

**Venom** · 03-17-2012, 04:04 PM

I would L-O-V-E to see Dirtbag get the IDW treatment!!! He was my favorite villain toy to play with as a kid just because of how cool his design was!

Shoate should pop up, too, at some point.

*Samhain* · 03-17-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Dude, they've been in what...5 pages. We have no clue how bad a... they are.

They wern't even mutated in those 5 pages. So technically...

*Jephael* · 03-17-2012, 04:05 PM

The term can be relative. What seems badass to me may not be to you.

*Cowabunga Carl* · 03-17-2012, 04:31 PM

At first I was adamantly opposed to seeing them in this comic, it seemed to me we were just getting the OT with a twist. I wanted something more like Mirage so this wasn't sitting to well with me. Then I realized something. I always tell people if they don't like something then don't read it. Besides who wants the same exact thing again? That and I have the Mirage stuff if I want to read that.

So I've come to terms with the IDW book and started to really enjoy it. I mean I enjoyed it before but now I really enjoy it more. I see it for what it is, it's own universe pulling from what came before. Bebop and Rocksteady are part of that.

Now in the OT they are a couple of knuckle heads and seemed to get stupider the longer the show went on. Towards the end of their appearances they became more then a running gag on how they would screw things up. Even Turtles Forever used them as such. When they showed up for their brief time so far I figured that was how they'd be used again.

I was surprised when it wasn't. After rereading the IDW comics a couple days ago I have to say I'm kind of interested in seeing what they do with them. Will they keep them as rough thugs who can actually fight or ar we destined to see the return of the bumbling idiots they became? Only time will tell.

*CyberCubed* · 03-17-2012, 04:35 PM

Considering how well Krang worked out I think Bebop and Rocksteady will be fine.

I think it's interesting they're working for the Foot, or at least that's what it appears to be.

pihb · 03-21-2012, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Samhain

They wern't even mutated in those 5 pages. So technically...

They weren't even called on by name. We recognized them by image alone.

*Samhain* · 03-21-2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pihb

They weren't even called on by name. We recognized them by image alone.

Oh, did you! And all by yourself too...

*MikeandRaph87* · 03-21-2012, 12:26 PM

The problem is alot of fans and creators associate characters by which version they appeared in. Most characters need to appear in more than one version to become thier own instead of just being tied to a certain flavor of TMNT. Bebop and Rocvksteady are perhaps its greatest victim. I don't want black and white comics as its not for me yet there are some who don't want original cartoon elements and characters that are usually tied to one or the other need to be worked for it not be tied to one version. 4Kids did a good job of introducing black and white comics characters now its time to build on the wealth of characters elsewhere so characters are not tied to one thing and have mulitple angles to look at.

pihb · 03-21-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Samhain

Oh, did you! And all by yourself too...

Bebop and Rocksteady who? Just a couple punks up to no good? How obvious that it matters they are not mutated....

*CyberCubed* · 03-21-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeandraph87

The problem is alot of fans and creators associate characters by which version they appeared in. Most characters need to appear in more than one version to become thier own instead of just being tied to a certain flavor of TMNT. Bebop and Rocvksteady are perhaps its greatest victim. I don't want black and white comics as its not for me yet there are some who don't want original cartoon elements and characters that are usually tied to one or the other need to be worked for it not be tied to one version. 4Kids did a good job of introducing black and white comics characters now its time to build on the wealth of characters elsewhere so characters are not tied to one thing and have mulitple angles to look at.

What are you talking about? What does comics being in either black or white or color have to do with the actual storytelling?

And if I were you I'd pick up these Mirage collections that IDW is releasing, you're missing out on some of the best Turtle stories ever told.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-21-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Considering how well Krang worked out I think Bebop and Rocksteady will be fine.

I still feel like we have no idea how Krang will "work out." So far so good, I guess, but he's done little yet but walk around and say menacing things. It's not like anyone can look back and go, "Man, Krang was so amazing in that issue where he was walking on Neutrino" or "Krang was so badass in that issue with him in the chair yelling at Baxter."

And I don't have the issue in front of me, but didn't Raphael like take down both Bebop and Rocksteady single-handedly? Not exactly a "guns blazing" entrance for the two of them, especially since their only conscionable purpose would be as "the muscle."

Toby Barrett · 03-21-2012, 01:19 PM

Yeah, they went down pretty easily... but I wonder how the turtles would fare against a large warthog man and an even larger rhino man.
Especially since this isn't an 80's saturday morning cartoon.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-21-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Barrett

Yeah, they went down pretty easily... but I wonder how the turtles would fare against a large warthog man and an even larger rhino man.
Especially since this isn't an 80's saturday morning cartoon.

I get that would be the next step... but it seems to me it'd make a lot more sense for them to stomp a mud hole on the Turtles/Raph as humans, so that as readers we would go, "My god, they really kick ass as humans... imagine how much ass they'll kick when they're mutants!!!"

Now it's kind of this shruggable, "Eh, they went down like wusses as humans. Maybe they'll be tougher when they're mutants, I guess" sort of thing.

Toby Barrett · 03-21-2012, 02:18 PM

True enough. But then again.. the whole thing was supposed to be a setup anyway, right? Maybe they weren't supposed to try to actually defeat Raphael.

Matches Malone · 03-21-2012, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Toby Barrett

True enough. But then again.. the whole thing was supposed to be a setup anyway, right? Maybe they weren't supposed to try to actually defeat Raphael.

That's what I figured too, but at the end, they're both griping about how they wouldn't have lost if they were mutants. I'm guessing the plan was to take Raphael out and Alopex was simply the diversion/back-up plan. Either way, it doesn't really matter. You can argue both sides of the coin: having them as badass humans will up the expectations for their mutant selves, but having them lose in this way can also emphasize the strength gained from being a mutant. It all depends on if the writing will come through on whatever they decide to do.

pihb · 03-21-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Matches Malone

That's what I figured too, but at the end, they're both griping about how they wouldn't have lost if they were mutants. I'm guessing the plan was to take Raphael out and Alopex was simply the diversion/back-up plan. Either way, it doesn't really matter. You can argue both sides of the coin: having them as badass humans will up the expectations for their mutant selves, but having them lose in this way can also emphasize the strength gained from being a mutant. It all depends on if the writing will come through on whatever they decide to do.

I took their falure as a ploy in order for Alopex to be an innocent victim. This was to have Raph bring her back to the lair, and I assume that Bebop and Rocksteady would have followed to witness the location.

I am super curious what their connection to Shredder is. Especially since Alopex is a mutant who was shown in lab earlier in the comic.....hmmmmm...

also, in all reality, we know there is something with the super serum and the turtles. So what average thug would be able to step up to the turtles? We saw the turtles going through Hob's men like a hot knife in butter.

*MikeandRaph87* · 03-21-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What are you talking about? What does comics being in either black or white or color have to do with the actual storytelling?

And if I were you I'd pick up these Mirage collections that IDW is releasing, you're missing out on some of the best Turtle stories ever told.

Hey Cybercubed,I was saying certain characters get tied to certain portrayals and are ignored beyond that one or so because they scream one specific version unfairly and Bebop and Rocksteady have been that way. I would like to see thme get a little blood on their hands. As for the black and white that was my way of describing Mirage/Image and there is nothing against it I just don't care for the black and white comics because its not the TMNT I care for for various reasons. I do have Mirage's first 21 issues and Tales mini-series but its just "meh" from there.That is just me though.

*CyberCubed* · 03-23-2012, 10:32 PM

I wonder when they'll even show up again. The Foot storyline is gearing up soon but I assume they'll be absent altogether because it doesn't make sense to include them before the first major Foot fight.

If/when they inevitably return, I hope we see a bit more of their human forms before they mutate.

03-17-2012, 04:01 PM	#1
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	IDW Bebop and Rocksteady While the lovable goofball classic toon version of them will always have a special place in my heart, I love how badass they are this time around and I really want to see them stay that way in the new comic book! I'm really anxious to see them fight all four Turtles at some point! Their appearance does have me wondering if we'll get to see any other classic characters from the old days like Groundchuck and Dirtbag, or Jagwar and Dreadmon. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

03-17-2012, 04:03 PM	#2
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,296	Dude, they've been in what...5 pages. We have no clue how bad a... they are. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656 Last edited by Jester; 03-17-2012 at 04:11 PM.

03-17-2012, 04:04 PM	#3
Venom Space Knight Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,637	I would L-O-V-E to see Dirtbag get the IDW treatment!!! He was my favorite villain toy to play with as a kid just because of how cool his design was! Shoate should pop up, too, at some point. __________________

03-17-2012, 04:05 PM	#5
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	The term can be relative. What seems badass to me may not be to you. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

03-21-2012, 12:26 PM	#10
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,188	The problem is alot of fans and creators associate characters by which version they appeared in. Most characters need to appear in more than one version to become thier own instead of just being tied to a certain flavor of TMNT. Bebop and Rocvksteady are perhaps its greatest victim. I don't want black and white comics as its not for me yet there are some who don't want original cartoon elements and characters that are usually tied to one or the other need to be worked for it not be tied to one version. 4Kids did a good job of introducing black and white comics characters now its time to build on the wealth of characters elsewhere so characters are not tied to one thing and have mulitple angles to look at. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

03-17-2012, 04:31 PM	#6
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	At first I was adamantly opposed to seeing them in this comic, it seemed to me we were just getting the OT with a twist. I wanted something more like Mirage so this wasn't sitting to well with me. Then I realized something. I always tell people if they don't like something then don't read it. Besides who wants the same exact thing again? That and I have the Mirage stuff if I want to read that. So I've come to terms with the IDW book and started to really enjoy it. I mean I enjoyed it before but now I really enjoy it more. I see it for what it is, it's own universe pulling from what came before. Bebop and Rocksteady are part of that. Now in the OT they are a couple of knuckle heads and seemed to get stupider the longer the show went on. Towards the end of their appearances they became more then a running gag on how they would screw things up. Even Turtles Forever used them as such. When they showed up for their brief time so far I figured that was how they'd be used again. I was surprised when it wasn't. After rereading the IDW comics a couple days ago I have to say I'm kind of interested in seeing what they do with them. Will they keep them as rough thugs who can actually fight or ar we destined to see the return of the bumbling idiots they became? Only time will tell.

03-17-2012, 04:35 PM	#7
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,798	Considering how well Krang worked out I think Bebop and Rocksteady will be fine. I think it's interesting they're working for the Foot, or at least that's what it appears to be.

03-21-2012, 01:19 PM	#14
Toby Barrett Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 946	Yeah, they went down pretty easily... but I wonder how the turtles would fare against a large warthog man and an even larger rhino man. Especially since this isn't an 80's saturday morning cartoon.

03-21-2012, 02:18 PM	#16
Toby Barrett Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 946	True enough. But then again.. the whole thing was supposed to be a setup anyway, right? Maybe they weren't supposed to try to actually defeat Raphael.

03-23-2012, 10:32 PM	#20
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,798	I wonder when they'll even show up again. The Foot storyline is gearing up soon but I assume they'll be absent altogether because it doesn't make sense to include them before the first major Foot fight. If/when they inevitably return, I hope we see a bit more of their human forms before they mutate.