What will happen to the turtles?

[zkarlette]

Damn... This isn't our Jester, it's just a decoy!

[The Stryker]

You people are f*cking ridiculous.

Ninja Turtles is a hot topic logo right now and all of the hype for the new show is based on nostalgia. Its not an iconic name that is woven into WORLD culture like Superman, Batman and Spider-man.

You show a poor kid in Uganda a picture of Superman, he's gonna know who the hell that is.

Putting TMNT against the top DC and Marvel characters is a joke. They belong in the same class as Jem, He-man and Mighty Max. 'Oh right. That thing from when I was a kid.'

I know you all desperately need to justify your undying love for the franchise but let's not take a 10 spot and call it a million.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by zkarlette

Damn... This isn't our Jester, it's just a decoy!

I dunno, I kinda like this one. He's making sense and speaking da troof.

[zkarlette]

Jem level ? It's a little bit to low...and I actually owned a Jem.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by zkarlette

Jem level ? It's a little bit to low...and I actually owned a Jem.

I can agree with this...Jem is a bit of a low blow, but He-Man, the 80's GI Joe, and Transformers aren't far off. They are great and experience some longevity, but they are nothing when compared to the modern mythology created by Marvel and DC.

Like I said, I love the Turtles, but Batman and Spider-man they ain't. Sorry, but true.

[zkarlette]

Blah! We'll talk about this when we get home...

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Stryker

You show a poor kid in Uganda a picture of Superman, he's gonna know who the hell that is

We're talking about American pop culture.

I think most people from around 18-35 are at least aware of what the Ninja Turtles are. Not only is this the age range of all the original kids from the 80's and 90's, but all this new exposure is going to introduce more new generations to the franchise.

Same way most people know who Batman is, yet they can't tell you if there is more than one Robin or who all his villains are besides Joker, Catwoman, etc.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

We're talking about American pop culture.

I think most people from around 18-35 are at least aware of what the Ninja Turtles are. Not only is this the age range of all the original kids from the 80's and 90's, but all this new exposure is going to introduce more new generations to the franchise.

Same way most people know who Batman is, yet they can't tell you if there is more than one Robin or who all his villains are besides Joker, Catwoman, etc.

People being aware of it doesn't mean its a still popular and culturally relevant franchise.

I love how you have to eliminate something to try and make your argument work. Some dude brought up TMNT being as iconic as those other characters and you don't become truly iconic until you've made an impact globally. You can ask pretty much anybody in the US for Superman/Batman/spider-man's origin and they'll know it beat for beat. TMNT is not even in the same galaxy as those characters. Sorry.

Sure not everyone knows every stupid detail of the Batman comics but that's better than just remembering the names and how they look on an ironic-cool t-shirt.

Doesn't matter what pop culture we're talking about. Theres no spot anywhere where TMNT can be put in that class. Again, 80s relics. I doubt the new show will do anything to stop that.

[Jester]

Cubed, more people around the world know who Batman is. Fewer people know about the Turtles. Sure we love the Turtles, and sure they are popular, to a point, but they are nowhere near as popular as the likes of Spidey, Bats, Supes, or Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny. There are levels of pop culture, and the Turtles just aren't on that level.

[The Stryker]

The problem isn't that they aren't on that level. It's that they aren't even on the level below it.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Spider-Man debuted in 1962. TMNT today can be considered like what Spider-Man was in 1990, what Superman (debuted 193 was in 1966 or Batman (debuted 1939) was in 1967.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Swedenfan 1982

Spider-Man debuted in 1962. TMNT today can be considered like what Spider-Man was in 1990.

Haven you read a lick of what Stryker posted? TMNT isnt in the same leauge as Spider-Man. It will never be as revered.

And the 90s were a TERRIBLE time for Spider-Man. Don't fool yourself. The (overrated) cartoon and the toyline barely diguised a turbulent period in Spidey's comics history, a period the franchise has NEVER recovered from in terms of quality. The only good thing that happened to Spidey where the comics are concerned in the 90s was Spider-Girl.

The 4kids cartoon also lasted LONGER than the 90s Spider-Man cartoon, yet if you asked people which one they'd remember, they'd pick the 90s Spidey 'toon.

[Lampy]

Originally Posted by Jester

Cubed, more people around the world know who Batman is. Fewer people know about the Turtles. Sure we love the Turtles, and sure they are popular, to a point, but they are nowhere near as popular as the likes of Spidey, Bats, Supes, or Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny. There are levels of pop culture, and the Turtles just aren't on that level.

i have to agree with Jester on this. the Turtles are just not as memorable as Superman and Batman. Ask a kid who Superman is or Batman, they'll know and favor it. Ask them about the Turtles, they won't know much. Same goes for asking an older person. The point is... people from all generations and ages know who these icons are. The Turtles... not so much. Every kid wants to be a superman... or batman. not that many want to be a ninja turtle. every major store has a supes or bats merchandise... not that many turtles stuff. they're nowhere near that level.

The 4kids cartoon also lasted LONGER than the 90s Spider-Man cartoon, yet if you asked people which one they'd remember, they'd pick the 90s Spidey 'toon.

this... exactly.

[BubblyShell22]

Honestly, I'm not worried about what will happen to the Turtles right now. I'm just happy that Nick is bringing them back.

I agree with Jester and Stryker about the popularity of TMNT. Yes, there are those of us who know about them, but there are others who aren't as familiar with them as Batman and Superman. And even though the Turtles were a comic before the cartoon came out, not many people are aware of that. If you even mention TMNT to anyone, they'll just say, "Oh, yeah, I used to watch that when I was a kid." They won't even acknowledge the comics because those aren't well-known. Heck, I didn't even know about the comics until the 4Kids series came out.

[pannoni1]

I'd put the TMNT around X-Men/The Incredible Hulk level, maybe just a little below in terms of "superhero franchises", and a little above Wonder Woman level. Star Wars/Star Trek level is also out of reach as well. In terms of classic cartoons, TMNT is around Scooby Doo/Rocky and Bullwinkle level. Well known by people who grew up with them with some younger fans and some longeivity, but not quite at that "first tier" status. It's definitely above Popeye/Woody Woodpecker though which has really gradually faded in popularity. Still, the Nick generation is important for the future of this franchise; its important we have some compelling new mysteries/adventures that really are entertaining and fun rather than revisit the same tired old horizons.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Stryker

You people are f*cking ridiculous.

Ninja Turtles is a hot topic logo right now and all of the hype for the new show is based on nostalgia. Its not an iconic name that is woven into WORLD culture like Superman, Batman and Spider-man.

You show a poor kid in Uganda a picture of Superman, he's gonna know who the hell that is.

Putting TMNT against the top DC and Marvel characters is a joke. They belong in the same class as Jem, He-man and Mighty Max. 'Oh right. That thing from when I was a kid.'

I know you all desperately need to justify your undying love for the franchise but let's not take a 10 spot and call it a million.

Seing Bart Simpson on your username, how wold you compare success of Simpsons and TMNT.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I think you need to relax. The TMNT franchise has just started a new relaunch, enjoy that and worry about what the comes when it comes.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Swedenfan 1982

Seing Bart Simpson on your username, how wold you compare success of Simpsons and TMNT.

I don't know why you seem incapable of understanding this, but TMNT is nowhere near the level of The Simpsons or any other high-profile franchise you can think of

[Krum]

That's an interesting argument. In my opinion the turtles are not cultural icons like Superman. I think it's possible (if managed right) that they could be in another 30-50 years.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Swedenfan 1982

Seing Bart Simpson on your username, how wold you compare success of Simpsons and TMNT.

Simpsons symbolized and revolutionized a TV generation and continues to make money and remain popular.

TMNT is still a fad from the 80s for the most part.