over-priced customs on Ebay

[TurtleManiac]

I can't believe there is currently a set of 4 of the new Nick TMNT figures that were custom repainted on Ebay, and the starting bid is $200.00 and someone is actually bidding on it. It kinda reminds me of the whole Neca repaints epidemic from 2007-2009, where people were making big $$$ just by painting the bandanas lol.

I'm just more surprised that people are actually paying that much for figures that someone else customized, rather than customizing their own figures.

[DonatelloFan]

Maybe, just MAYBE, some people aren't any good with painting. Like myself. If you're good enough to make the figures look like some people's, would you want to take on a custom for just the price of the figure plus shipping?

I'm currently bidding on one Donatello, and if I had the money, I'd bid on encino's custom 4 Turtles he has on eBay.

It's not always as simple as 'just picking up some paints and doing it yourself'.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by DonatelloFan

It's not always as simple as 'just picking up some paints and doing it yourself'.

Heck, even that can get pricey....

[DonatelloFan]

Originally Posted by Jester

Heck, even that can get pricey....

Hence the prices people charge for customs. The time and energy that probably goes into one figure is amazing to me.

[TurtleManiac]

yea I see what you mean about people not having the time or skill to make their own customs, but still though, it can become a really fun hobby if you give it a try and just keep getting better at it, I am by no means calling myself an expert customizer, I still have a hard time with sculpting things to look perfect, but I feel I have improved my custom skills over the years, nobody taught me how to do it I just got into the hobby and learned new methods of customizing over the years, and how to improve from previous customs, so basically if you make your own customs, you can pretty much have any toy/character/design that you want, not just limited to the customs that are on ebay...

[Genesis]

Luckily, I have friends who are sculptors by trade and hobby.

[Lordmylar06]

I agree with DonatelloFan and Jester here, but only to a point. I think a $200 starting price, while reasonable, isn't going to snag a buyer. If a custom is good, and there's enough interest, you can start the auction at a $.01 bid with no reserve and by the time it ends you'll see the $200 price for a set of 4(if not more). I'm more inclined to bid on something when there's a low starting bid too, but that doesn't mean that I won't consider throwing down big bucks for a quality product, and some of these ebay customs aren't simple bandanna repaints like the Necas were a few years ago. Applying layered paint takes some time and patience. So in some of these cases, you're getting your money's worth.

[KirkyMonster]

Consider also that they might really like the end product of there customs and they don't really want to part with them unless they get a nice chunk of change. Some of these customizers do it for a living so they charge by the hour they put into there figures. $15-$20 a figure plus $5-$10 in paint and there only charging $20-$30 more per figure that probably took them a few hours over the course of as many days, I don't think they are overcharging anyone. Customs aren't toys they are articulated pieces of art and those who don't want to just customize the figures themselves should expect to pay "art" prices. That's my 2 cents on the matter.

[Candy Kappa]

Don't like it don't buy, easy and whine-less

[ToSte]

While a high starting price seems ridiculous, customs tend to go there anyway. I start my customs low, typically whatever the initial figure cost, and I can count on them breaking $100. If someone is willing to pay the price then so be it, it's their money for the time being.

[encline_designs]

I have heard this same thing I have heard for years while doing transformers customs..

the fact still remains, some people pay thousands of dollars for some paint on a canvas, some people pay for 3d art on one of a kind customs.

Factor in the cost of figures, the materials, the years worth of experience to make something look like it does... If, lets say, his set only sells for $200, that is $160 profit. And it take about 3-5 hours to paint one of these up nice, so lets say 16 hours total, that is only $10 an hour(that is super low end) for skilled art... not that overpriced if you ask me.

but I do agree, people should always give it a try themselves. That is why I do the youtube tutorials. helping others to not make all the mistakes I have made. But yet, that is the best teacher.

[Threat]

If it were truly ridiculous then it wouldn't already have 1 bid on it. I expect more the day it ends. If everyone could make customs, they would, simple as that.

And the ONE Donatello custom that was being sold by himself went for $56. So for $200 this is cheaper per figure, at the moment, than the Don figure went for.

[Plasticplayhouse]

Originally Posted by Jester

Heck, even that can get pricey....

True. Let's analyze the costs. I use citadel paints. Each tiny container of paint costs $3.75. Multiply that by the number of colors I would need (about 12) to customize 4 unique turtles and we're talking $48 w/tax. Now let's factor in the cost of paint brushes. I would need 5 different brushes which comes to $25. Finally let's factor time. From start to finish, including preping the figures with a good scrubbing to remove any factory oils, we're looking between 10-12 hours for all 4 turtles at the min wage rate of $8.50 and we got $102. All together the total (not including the figures) comes to $175. Now let's include the $39 it costs to buy the figures...$219. So a start price of $200 seems pretty fair to me.

[Lordmylar06]

Originally Posted by Plasticplayhouse

True. Let's analyze the costs. I use citadel paints. Each tiny container of paint costs $3.75. Multiply that by the number of colors I would need (about 12) to customize 4 unique turtles and we're talking $48 w/tax. Now let's factor in the cost of paint brushes. I would need 5 different brushes which comes to $25. Finally let's factor time. From start to finish, including preping the figures with a good scrubbing to remove any factory oils, we're looking between 10-12 hours for all 4 turtles at the min wage rate of $8.50 and we got $102. All together the total (not including the figures) comes to $175. Now let's include the $39 it costs to buy the figures...$219. So a start price of $200 seems pretty fair to me.

These are all valid points, and this is if you're paying your artist a minimum of $8.50 an hour. Not taking into account if there was any sculpting work done, $200 for a set is fair if the customizer does more than a set of 4 and is able to come out with a final price more than $200 pet set.
Fair pricing for sculpting work is a whole other ball game. Quality is a huge factor, as well as accuracy. Fair at that point could go up by another hundred dollars(if not more).

[Digital Ghost]

I try to think of it this way... I myself have absolutely zero (0%) skill in doing custom work. I'll sometimes keep parts for customs and such but when it comes to painting, I have such little patience that I would rather pay someone that has the time and skill to do a great job, rather than risk making a huge mess and potentially ruining my figures.

Like everyone's stated, materials are a factor but the time & effort are just as important. It all comes down to whatever someone is willing to pay... it's not like they're price gouging, like we see in the eBay almighty thread. If you feel someone is asking too much for their work, move along. Common sense generally prevails.

[Newton Gimmick]

The set for $200 is done by a well known customizer who commands a high price for his stuff because it's always top notch quality.

I don't really buy Plasticplayhouse's math at all, mind you. Most customizers are doing stuff with the tools they already have. MintCondition may have bought some special stuff for this project, but it's unlikely he spent anywhere near those amounts to get any of that stuff.

However, you're paying for talent and time and those two things alone can be hard to put a price tag on.

Do people abuse Ebay and "customs", absolutely. I see junk going for way too much. But I don't think that's the case in many instances.

[Plasticplayhouse]

Originally Posted by Newton Gimmick

The set for $200 is done by a well known customizer who commands a high price for his stuff because it's always top notch quality.

I don't really buy Plasticplayhouse's math at all, mind you. Most customizers are doing stuff with the tools they already have. MintCondition may have bought some special stuff for this project, but it's unlikely he spent anywhere near those amounts to get any of that stuff.

However, you're paying for talent and time and those two things alone can be hard to put a price tag on.

Do people abuse Ebay and "customs", absolutely. I see junk going for way too much. But I don't think that's the case in many instances.

on the contrary, my math adds up perfectly. I've been customizing for years with many satisfied customers. Donatello fan commented that its not as easy to just pick up paints and do it yourself. Jester commented that it can get pricey too. My calculations are based on if a person had to start from scratch, as jester and donatello fan were discussing. The prices I used are the exact same that I get charged for supplies when I purchase from games workshop (some of the best quality products available).

[mysterycolor]

i have zero talent when it comes to making custom figures, weather they change the sculpt or it is simply a repaint, i have respect for both. when it is done well, with good products used i am happy to pay a fair price- i bought the custom m.u.s.c.l.e men turtles & shredder from Plasticplayhouse for what i thought was a very fair price, considering the time he put in and that NO ONE else has them the custom painted Scratch (with all four painted weapons) was 75.00 a price that the seller regretted it going for, again i thought it was a steal! These people put a lot of effort into the items and i think they deserve to get a fair price- if you dont like the asking price, try to negotiate but remember not just the cost of the supplies but the time & effort are worth something.

[TurtleManiac]

I'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, people can do whatever they want with their customs and money. I'm just more shocked more than anything at the prices all these customs are going for on Ebay. They're selling for way more than the regular figures Mint On Card MOC.

[Threat]

Originally Posted by TurtleManiac

They're selling for way more than the regular figures Mint On Card MOC.

What part of they aren't just "regular" figures do you not understand? You said it yourself they are "customs". It's always been that way with everything.