Turtles from TMNT2 - First Look! (toppers)

[Leo656]

Not "no matter what". Not if they actually weren't abysmal. People only hate them because they suck so painfully hard. If that weren't the case, well... whole different ballgame.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TurtleMikey

Overall, they moved from a try-hard trendy look to a tactical, combat ready look. One that seems almost inspired by the Foot from the first film. Some will most certainly see that as a negative, but I think this looks fine.

Y'know what's tactical combat-ready? Elbow pads, knee pads, belt, pouches for throwing stars and smoke bombs, bandanna, and some bandages or tape.

That's all she wrote, Chuck.

Originally Posted by TurtleMikey

Let's be honest.... insult or not, you guys probably wouldn't have read it or read it, and just as easily and willingly forget it since its, as you said, the minority opinion. The rook was lost by the simple virtue that I do not agree with you.

Everyone on this board, except me and a select few others, were going to hate these designs no matter what.

Even if they went with traditional designs, and scrapped everything we knew of their design from the first film, the people here STILL would've found a way to bitch about it and/or this film.

98% of this board already had their minds made up about this film (and this incarnation of TMNT period) before the first movie released.

And as far as my insult goes, that's exactly the people here were acting. Like babies. Like little children who didn't get their way. Which is funny, given that we've probably all have been TMNT fans since were cause. And thus, know that pretty much every incarnation has been (in some way) radically different from the other.

Hell, the 2003 series alone went to 3 or so radical changes over the course of its run, with weird and wacky designs of its own.

So for this, the newest incarnation w/ changes of its own, to illicit such a childish reaction is just stupid, and deserves to be called what it is.

The TMNT fandom has no ground to stand on with these complaints. And we just look stupid when we make them. We're just as bad as those in the Transformers fandom who complain, when that franchise uas had as many incarnations as this one.

I read every word, because I find people's opinions educational and informative, or sometimes the comedy equivalent of a small child desperately struggling to pull open a door clearly marked "push." And I wasn't educated or informed today, sadly.

Your point about the 2003 cartoon is fascinating. You know what series ran the best four seasons of TMNT that was ever the closest to the original source material? 2003. Only after THAT did we get Mystic Turtles, Future Turtles, and Cyber Turtles. Because TOYS.

You know what franchise hasn't sold enough of their toys? Platinum Dunes. Cold hard facts, son. I know it's unpleasant, but sooner or later, you must face the truth.

Know that we'll all be waiting for you on the other side, with a big heaping plate of hot gooey "We Told You So."

[Leo656]

Argh. This sh*t again. It's NOT "because change", it's because the changes are awful, extraneous, arbitrary, and poorly thought-out. Jesus.

[freakdylan]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I read every word, because I find people's opinions educational and informative, or sometimes the comedy equivalent of a small child desperately struggling to pull open a door clearly marked "push." And I wasn't educated or informed today, sadly.

You just made me laugh so hard, lol

[Bry]

Man, these BayPologists are salty.

Originally Posted by TurtleMikey

And like the Foot in TMNT 2014, its meant to invoke the look and silhouette of a traditional ninja, while being more modernized and tactical.

Ah yes, the traditional ninja attire of mismatched gloves, chunky goggles, giant backpacks, puka shell necklaces, and cargo pants. Straight from the Feudal era!

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

The Fancypants prance and do the fancy-pants dance, if given half a chance, the Fancypants plants will go on Fancypants rants, and put us in a trance.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I read every word, because I find people's opinions educational and informative, or sometimes the comedy equivalent of a small child desperately struggling to pull open a door clearly marked "push." And I wasn't educated or informed today, sadly.

Oh man, I needed that laugh today.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by freakdylan

You just made me laugh so hard, lol

That is my purpose here on the 'Drome, good sir. I am grateful to you for allowing me to fulfill that purpose.

Originally Posted by Bry

Man, these BayPologists are salty.

Undeniably so. Back in 2014, I'd use SharkBlade's posts to season my French fries.

[TurtleMikey]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Not "no matter what". Not if they actually weren't abysmal. People only hate them because they suck so painfully hard. If that weren't the case, well... whole different ballgame.

It being abysmal is entirely subjective. I could say/feel thag any version not the Next Mutation is abysmal, and I wouldn't be wrong.

It's opinion. And I and everyone here has the right to their opinion. But don't get upset when I point out how idiotic it is to complain about the fact alone that its different than whats come before..... which ALOT of people here are doing.

Forget what it was actually changed to.

Ive seen many here raging JUST because its different.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Y'know what's tactical combat-ready? Elbow pads, knee pads, belt, pouches for throwing stars and smoke bombs, bandanna, and some bandages or tape.

That's all she wrote, Chuck.

Yeah, but thats not the take theyre going with. And the designs in the first movie worked against their established take, with the Turtles having assimilated to human culture far more than we've seen before.

That junk they wore in the first movie? Doesn't make sense.

The more tactical, padded gear they have in Half-Shell? That makes sense within that established context.

I read every word, because I find people's opinions educational and informative, or sometimes the comedy equivalent of a small child desperately struggling to pull open a door clearly marked "push." And I wasn't educated or informed today, sadly.

Your point about the 2003 cartoon is fascinating. You know what series ran the best four seasons of TMNT that was ever the closest to the original source material? 2003. Only after THAT did we get Mystic Turtles, Future Turtles, and Cyber Turtles. Because TOYS.

You know what franchise hasn't sold enough of their toys? Platinum Dunes. Cold hard facts, son. I know it's unpleasant, but sooner or later, you must face the truth.

Know that we'll all be waiting for you on the other side, with a big heaping plate of hot gooey "We Told You So."

Yeah, I'm not denying the first four seasons of TMNT are damn good television, and just about the best TMNT anything out there. But the later seasons (Fast Forward, Back to the Sewers, etc) are just as much a part of that series, regardless of why those changes.

And I'm sorry, but Cyber Shredder and Feudal Demon Shredder are no less outlandish than what we got in the 2014 movie.

And as far as that toy comment..... of course. That's one of the main reasons FOR the constant reinvention this franchise undergoes. TMNT is all about the mother f-ing toys.

And again, I can't grasp why people act so damn shocked when they make big changes. Toy motivated or not.

[Leo656]

The elbow-length fetish gloves are so "bad-ass", while totally keeping with tradition.

Yeah, that sh*t's not totally poorly over-designed at all. My f*cking mistake, clearly.

[DarkLightDragon]

I freakin love the tags here right now.

It's good to be back.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

I freakin love the tags here right now.

It's good to be back.

You were missed.

Seriously, I only discovered the magic of tags on this thread. My life is forever changed.

[Bry]

Some of these justifications and deflections, guys...

Originally Posted by TurtleMikey

Ive seen many here raging JUST because its different.

Where? Show me. I've seen a lot of people complaining because it's worse, but that's not the same as complaining because it's "different". And along with that, stating a preference for the original designs over these ones isn't just complaining because they're "different" no matter how much you want to frame it that way.

These characters have had plenty of subtle redesigns over the years, and they usually go over fine because the core, classic design is left largely intact.

This situation, though? It's like adding cargo pants, sunglasses, and a leather loincloth to Spider-Man's costume. That's objectively worse than his classic design, and it's not being "afraid of change" that would upset people about that.

[DarkLightDragon]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

You were missed.

Seriously, I only discovered the magic of tags on this thread. My life is forever changed.

Felt I needed a long break from the craziness this board tends to have. Only to realize how much I missed it.

I'm here to stay bitches for now and for long.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Bry

Some of these justifications and deflections, guys...

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Where? Show me. I've seen a lot of people complaining because it's worse, but that's not the same as complaining because it's "different". And stating a preference for the original designs over these ones isn't just complaining because they're "different".

Shut up, Bry. The first movie designs were awful, but these are clearly different.

PANTS!

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

Felt I needed a long break from the craziness this board tends to have. Only to realize how much I missed it.

I'm here to stay bitches for now and for long.

When I need a break from the craziness, I just put the crazy on "Ignore" for a couple of weeks. Believe me, that helps.

[Leo656]

And it's not "subjective". Bad design is bad design. Those designs are BAD. Whether or not someone wants to overlook that is their own personal choice. But not everything is a matter of opinion. Those designs are poor. I'm sorry, only a goddamn fool would argue otherwise. It's been said, and re-said, explained and extrapolated upon.

People who say the designs are bad have given hundreds of reasons WHY they are bad, since before the first movie, and continue to do so with these "updated" designs.

People who say the designs are good, can only give "I think they are good, and that is my opinion." That's literally the only argument that isn't a complete arms-length ass-extraction. And it's weak and worthless.

"Well, *I* like them." We get it. Means nothing. The designs are bad. If people like them, all that means is that those individuals can't tell good character design from bad design. Congratulations, you may be Rob Liefeld.

[Mew]

The TMNT will look like this!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Leo656

And it's not "subjective". Bad design is bad design. Those designs are BAD. Whether or not someone wants to overlook that is their own personal choice. But not everything is a matter of opinion. Those designs are poor. I'm sorry, only a goddamn fool would argue otherwise. It's been said, and re-said, explained and extrapolated upon.

People who say the designs are bad have given hundreds of reasons WHY they are bad, since before the first movie, and continue to do so with these "updated" designs.

People who say the designs are good, can only give "I think they are good, and that is my opinion." That's literally the only argument that isn't a complete arms-length ass-extraction. And it's weak and worthless.

"Well, *I* like them." We get it. Means nothing. The designs are bad. If people like them, all that means is that those individuals can't tell good character design from bad design. Congratulations, you may be Rob Liefeld.

Rob Liefeld... that's the dude who put manboobs on Captain America, right?

[Bry]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Rob Liefeld... that's the dude who put manboobs on Captain America, right?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Bry

http://fi.somethingawful.com/customt...anderhuge2.gif

That is just all kinds of horrifying. MAKE. IT. STOP.

That one picture just switched me over to Team Tony in next year's Civil War.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Leo656

And it's not "subjective". Bad design is bad design. Those designs are BAD. Whether or not someone wants to overlook that is their own personal choice. But not everything is a matter of opinion. Those designs are poor. I'm sorry, only a goddamn fool would argue otherwise. It's been said, and re-said, explained and extrapolated upon.

..."Well, *I* like them." We get it. Means nothing. The designs are bad. If people like them, all that means is that those individuals can't tell good character design from bad design.

You are kinda contradicting yourself there bro - to say everything is a matter of opinion and personal choice, then state that only a fool would think the new designs are good, basically says you are invalidating, and basically writing off anyone else that thinks differently.

If opinion is opinion, and personal choice is just that, then what makes one more valid over the other?

There are design choices for the PD Turtles, that if I were in charge I would NOT have made, absolutely, but to proclaim outright that the designs are bad, and people that like them have no design-sense/taste - is no different in its approach for those that state, fans that dont like the changes, just can't handle change. BOTH proclamations are EQUALLY brash, and dismissive of others, and doesn't do anything to forward a conversation or an actual exchange of ideas.

Not trying to pick on you bro, as I have nothing against you - but there seems to be an overarching theme in these boards in general where people post their opinion, and if others DON'T agree, then clearly there is something wrong with those people. Just seems backwards to me.

[Leo656]

But Liefeld is a gazillionaire and we're not, so clearly he's smarter than all of us. Only idiots master basic anatomy before becoming superstar comic book artists. Smart guys swipe a few dozen panels from old issues of Teen Titans and call it a f*cking career.
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Read again more carefully GC: Nowhere do I ever state anything is "just a matter of opinion." That's never been my motto. My motto is, "Some things simply are what they f*cking are, and people's 'opinions' to the contrary are just them spitting in the wind." I think you misread what I was trying to say. No harm done.

But no, saying the TMNT movie designs are bad is NOT an opinion, it's a simple statement of fact. Someone saying they like the designs IS an opinion. And they have a right to it. But it's meaningless and it doesn't change the fact that the designs, from an unbiased, completely OBJECTIVE point of view, are bad. Like the movie itself. People can like the movie. It was still bad. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. The designs are poorly done, and the movie was poorly made.

Put simply - and I've said this before - Opinions don't outweigh Facts. That's the distinction.