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**GK Punk** · 03-10-2003, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by azure turtle

Woah!! Test was in your town?? That's pretty cool. Have you been to any of the shows there, Ninja Nin?

I agree with the whole Konnan thing. I really never liked that guy, and I hated how Rey Mysterio got stuck with the guy. Yeah, Kidman's my favorite cruiserweight, too. That guy has incredible talent. I'm glad he joined the filthy animals, so that he and Rey could team up instead of Rey and Konnan.

I thought the Hogan/Kidman fued was weird. It was interesting (because it was so radically different), but it just didn't deliever. I remember when WCW tried shaking up their programming... Didn't help much, but it did provide some cool matches.

I got to meet RVD when he did an Autograph signing.. HE IS SO DAMN COOL! He talked about Music with me for a little bit, told me what his favorite matches and people to work with are, and then when I was with my friend talking, he walked over to us before he left, and shook our hands and said bye... It is a memory I will never forget!

~~Leo656~~ · 03-10-2003, 06:50 AM

I've met...

Bret Hart, Bam Bam Bigelow (2x), The Honky Tonk Man, Ax of Demolition, Tito Santana (2x), Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Hercules, Greg "The Hammer" Valentine (2x), Nikolai Volkoff, The Iron Shiek, Brutus Beefcake, and RVD and Fonzie. The RVD one was cool because it was at this flea market near my house, so y'know, there's families there and stuff, and when RVD comes through the curtain on crutches (this was when he broke his ankle in ECW), hundreds of people start *screaming* "THE WHOLE F***IN' SHOW! THE WHOLE F***IN' SHOW!" It was awesome. RVD talked with me about his ankle, saying "it's nothing compared to what my wife went through", referencing how she had crushed her leg in a boating accident the year before. I'm sure RVD was ok though... anyone that knows him knows that if he aint a walking spokesperson for medicinal marijuana, nobody is.

I *almost* met Hogan, I was literally two feet away from him, only seperated by a plate glass window. I was NEXT in line to go into "WWE The World" and meet him, and they cut the line off right in front of me and locked me and everyone behind me out. I tried bribing a security guard even, but no dice.

Notes on a few other wrestlers:
Actually, I like *some* of RVD's WWE matches better than his ECW stuff because they don't take forever. 20-minute matches are great, don't get me wrong, but not when it goes like "RVD hits a big move, stops, does the 'Rob... Van... Dam!' pose, then pauses while the fans cheer, then hits another big move, rinse, repeat." like 90% of RVD's ECW stuff was equally split between high spots and posing, and much as I LOVE the guy I was always like "c'mon, DO something already!"

That and his punches are the worst in the business, but his stiff kicks make up for it.

Aldo: That's right, no "Justin Credible" for me. Just like The Rock will always be "Flex", Justin Tolerable will always be called "Aldo" by me. I just never thought he was that good. When he got to the WWE you could really tell just how much Heyman's booking protected him in ECW.

Raven, however, I LOVE. It's sad that he was miserable in WCW, and walked out on his contract to be outta there, then goes to the WWF/WWE and it turns out that WCW actually was 100x better at using him. He was always over, always had an angle, and was always taken seriously. In the WWE, they turned him into a joke. That just sucks. See also: Saturn, Perry.

I hate HHH, Flex, and Stone Cold Steve Austin. Feel free to ask why. Each guy has at least a dozen reasons.

*Storm Wolf* · 03-10-2003, 07:47 AM

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*stands up off seat and fixes an imaginary tie* So... would you go out with a 5'11'' angry man who is traumatized? *purrs*

*smiles* Hmmmmm......I suppose I would.....isn't like I've ever been out with someone who wasn't angry and traumatized......

just can't figure out why that is..

**GK Punk** · 03-10-2003, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I've met...

Bret Hart, Bam Bam Bigelow (2x), The Honky Tonk Man, Ax of Demolition, Tito Santana (2x), Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Hercules, Greg "The Hammer" Valentine (2x), Nikolai Volkoff, The Iron Shiek, Brutus Beefcake, and RVD and Fonzie. The RVD one was cool because it was at this flea market near my house, so y'know, there's families there and stuff, and when RVD comes through the curtain on crutches (this was when he broke his ankle in ECW), hundreds of people start *screaming* "THE WHOLE F***IN' SHOW! THE WHOLE F***IN' SHOW!" It was awesome. RVD talked with me about his ankle, saying "it's nothing compared to what my wife went through", referencing how she had crushed her leg in a boating accident the year before. I'm sure RVD was ok though... anyone that knows him knows that if he aint a walking spokesperson for medicinal marijuana, nobody is.

I *almost* met Hogan, I was literally two feet away from him, only seperated by a plate glass window. I was NEXT in line to go into "WWE The World" and meet him, and they cut the line off right in front of me and locked me and everyone behind me out. I tried bribing a security guard even, but no dice.

Notes on a few other wrestlers:
Actually, I like *some* of RVD's WWE matches better than his ECW stuff because they don't take forever. 20-minute matches are great, don't get me wrong, but not when it goes like "RVD hits a big move, stops, does the 'Rob... Van... Dam!' pose, then pauses while the fans cheer, then hits another big move, rinse, repeat." like 90% of RVD's ECW stuff was equally split between high spots and posing, and much as I LOVE the guy I was always like "c'mon, DO something already!"

That and his punches are the worst in the business, but his stiff kicks make up for it.

Aldo: That's right, no "Justin Credible" for me. Just like The Rock will always be "Flex", Justin Tolerable will always be called "Aldo" by me. I just never thought he was that good. When he got to the WWE you could really tell just how much Heyman's booking protected him in ECW.

Raven, however, I LOVE. It's sad that he was miserable in WCW, and walked out on his contract to be outta there, then goes to the WWF/WWE and it turns out that WCW actually was 100x better at using him. He was always over, always had an angle, and was always taken seriously. In the WWE, they turned him into a joke. That just sucks. See also: Saturn, Perry.

I hate HHH, Flex, and Stone Cold Steve Austin. Feel free to ask why. Each guy has at least a dozen reasons.

I'll agree with you on that ECW thing, the matches went FOREVER... atleast WWE they are only around 10 minutes or so... He isn't as flashy (dangerous)as he used to be. I know it's trendy to not like HHH, But I've been a fan scince Terra Rhyzin' in WCW... (I've been watching scince I was 4, I am now 23)

~~Leo656~~ · 03-10-2003, 08:20 AM

Screw "trendy", I've never liked him and never will. The guy holds down guys he thinks are better than him (like Jericho), refuses to work with guys he thinks are "beneath" him (RVD), sits in on the creative meetings to make sure everything goes his way (something people used to SCREAM about Hogan doing in WCW), and screws the bosses' daughter just to make certain that he'll NEVER have to look bad. Ever. Forget the fact that ever since he got hurt he's been absolute crap in the ring, it's his BS politics that make me hate him now. I always thought he was a boring wrestler, now he's just a jerk.

One segment sums up HHH. Back in '99 or thereabouts, DX does a skit where they encounter several homeless people on the street. One holds up a sign that says "will work for food". HHH laughs and says "Work? You can't work, you're as bad as Jericho!" At the time, "Trips" and Jericho had NO storyline involvement with each other, "Trips" was just taking a mean-spirited jab at someone beneath him on the card who he sees as a threat. And don't forget that in wrestling, perception = reality. If Trips constantly hammers home the point that he's better than everyone (and he does, just count how many minutes of Raw are devoted to him each and every week whether he wrestles or not), then the audience starts to believe it.

Screw Trips. He's not as big a lying, back-stabbing egotistical weasel as that piece of garbage Shawn Michaels, but he aint far off.

Of course, you can like him all you want, this is just why *I* don't like him.

**GK Punk** · 03-10-2003, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Screw "trendy", I've never liked him and never will. The guy holds down guys he thinks are better than him (like Jericho), refuses to work with guys he thinks are "beneath" him (RVD), sits in on the creative meetings to make sure everything goes his way (something people used to SCREAM about Hogan doing in WCW), and screws the bosses' daughter just to make certain that he'll NEVER have to look bad. Ever. Forget the fact that ever since he got hurt he's been absolute crap in the ring, it's his BS politics that make me hate him now. I always thought he was a boring wrestler, now he's just a jerk.

One segment sums up HHH. Back in '99 or thereabouts, DX does a skit where they encounter several homeless people on the street. One holds up a sign that says "will work for food". HHH laughs and says "Work? You can't work, you're as bad as Jericho!" At the time, "Trips" and Jericho had NO storyline involvement with each other, "Trips" was just taking a mean-spirited jab at someone beneath him on the card who he sees as a threat. And don't forget that in wrestling, perception = reality. If Trips constantly hammers home the point that he's better than everyone (and he does, just count how many minutes of Raw are devoted to him each and every week whether he wrestles or not), then the audience starts to believe it.

Screw Trips. He's not as big a lying, back-stabbing egotistical weasel as that piece of garbage Shawn Michaels, but he aint far off.

Of course, you can like him all you want, this is just why *I* don't like him.

That's cool

I actually, didn't think of it untill after I typed it, but I didn't mean it to sound like YOUR Trendy for not liking him, I just meant in the Wrestling scene right now, it's a trendy thing to say... (Kinda like "I hate Goldberg" back in WCW, now the people that said that want him in WWE, ya know what i mean?) So That wasn't a shot at you...

The thing is, yeah he holds people down, but I just watch from home... I have no personal ties to anyone in the back, so aslong as I am being entertained every week, I dont care what happens in the back.

Well, as long as it isn't like the Bret Hart/HBK thing...

same reason I like HBK... I don't care what he does backstage, as long as he entertains me on camera... (which now days seems to be getting harder for him to do...)

~~Leo656~~ · 03-10-2003, 08:33 AM

Might as well explain my festering hatred for Flex and Austin while I'm here...

Flex, aka The Rock: The "pet project" of Vinnie Mac. I never understood how someone the fans DESPISED when he came in could become the most popular star they have. Fact is, the guy isn't that much better in the ring than he was back in 96, he just gives better interviews. He's sloppy, everything he does is entirely too loose, his selling is pathetically overdone, and he pisses on Bret's legacy every time he does that lame excuse for a Sharpshooter. But Vince knew from Day One that he wanted Flex to be a star, so he rammed him down our throats until we accepted him, just like Trips. Not to mention one of the lamest finishers EVER in The People's Elbow, and the end result is a guy who is just so incredibly stupid that he annoys the heck outta me. When he's a heel, he's bearable. When he's a face, and the fans actually CHEER him for being ridiculous, it gets on my nerves. He's the "American Pie" of wrestling: catering to the absolute lowest common denominator, no redeeming value whatsoever, less funny with each viewing, yet overwhelmingly successful. And yet Raven gets released.

Austin: It's not so much that he walked out last year. I've heard his side, and he has a lot of good points. Creative SHOULD be in the wrestlers hands. But in hiring him back after saying he never would, Vince revealed that he has no spine. What if, and it's not at all farfetched, Austin does it again? At some point you have to be the boss. Aside from that, he suffers from the same "working too loose" dilemma that Flex has, but if he wasn't so lazy these days he could easily fix it, he's that good. More than anything, though, it bothers me that fans are still worshiping this guy after he smacked his wife around after walking out last year. He's an ass, plain and simple, and the fans oughta tell him so. But no, "it's ok you had a bad few weeks at work and smacked your wife around, Steve, it's ok, we forgive you. Drink your beer and give us the finger and we'll cheer you to the ends of the Earth". It's just wrong, people.

Again, just my opinions. God knows lots of people hate Hogan, and I worship the red and yellow ground he walks on.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-10-2003, 08:41 AM

See, I just can't in good conscience ignore the fact that someone is a jerk just because he's entertaining. Shawn Michaels is one of the best wrestlers ever, no doubt, but he's also a scumbag. Faking injuries left and right to avoid losing matches, having his hand in Vince's pocket (among other places), acting like a spoiled brat when he didn't get his way (ever see the times he threw tantrums in the ring when his music got messed up? How about when he fought Vader and threw a hissy fit mid-match because Vader was out of place for one little move?), and most of all, the Bret Hart incident. He recently came out and admitted he knew, from the beginning, that he was in on the screwjob. 99% of the free world knew this anyway, but if Shawn was a man he wouldn't have danced around the question for years.

Ever see "Wrestling With Shadows", the documentary on Bret Hart that covers the Montreal Incident? Shawn Michaels is summed up perfectly after the match with Bret where he and Vince screwed Bret out of the belt.

Bret: "Shawn, you weren't in on that?"
Shawn: "I had nothing to do with it, with God as my witness! I went and gave him the belt when I got back here! My hands are clean of this one, I swear to God! I won't have any part of it."

Bad enough he lied to the guy's face, he swore to God. Some Born-Again Christian he is. Yeah, he's entertaining, but my conscience just won't let me cheer for a guy like that. Instead, I cheered when karma bit him in the ass and he shattered his back, because he got exactly what he deserved, and he had nobody to blame but himself.

**GK Punk** · 03-10-2003, 08:42 AM

I actually used to like the rock back when everyone hated him, then the more exposure he got the more I realized... the guy sucks, I totally agree with you 100%

And what you said about Austin...

I hate that SOB... I don't care if you have a bad day at work, that's no excuse to go home and Beat your wife, that's just not right and I dont care what reason you have... and It makes me sick when the fans cheer him now... I wish he never would have come back. I hope he screws Vinnie Mac over again, and disapears.

**GK Punk** · 03-10-2003, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

See, I just can't in good conscience ignore the fact that someone is a jerk just because he's entertaining. Shawn Michaels is one of the best wrestlers ever, no doubt, but he's also a scumbag. Faking injuries left and right to avoid losing matches, having his hand in Vince's pocket (among other places), acting like a spoiled brat when he didn't get his way (ever see the times he threw tantrums in the ring when his music got messed up? How about when he fought Vader and threw a hissy fit mid-match because Vader was out of place for one little move?), and most of all, the Bret Hart incident. He recently came out and admitted he knew, from the beginning, that he was in on the screwjob. 99% of the free world knew this anyway, but if Shawn was a man he wouldn't have danced around the question for years.

I don't know, I think maybe it's a nostalgia thing I have for HBK... I've followed him scince AWA, and No matter what he;s done, Ive been with it... I even refused to believe his involvment in the Montreal Screw job untill he finally confessed. I think I remember the Vader incident you mentioned Summer Slam.. um 96 i think, right? ('cause I think 97 was Hitman/Taker)
But I never saw his music screw up... man I'd love to see that

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Ever see "Wrestling With Shadows", the documentary on Bret Hart that covers the Montreal Incident? Shawn Michaels is summed up perfectly after the match with Bret where he and Vince screwed Bret out of the belt.

Bret: "Shawn, you weren't in on that?"
Shawn: "I had nothing to do with it, with God as my witness! I went and gave him the belt when I got back here! My hands are clean of this one, I swear to God! I won't have any part of it."

Bad enough he lied to the guy's face, he swore to God. Some Born-Again Christian he is. Yeah, he's entertaining, but my conscience just won't let me cheer for a guy like that. Instead, I cheered when karma bit him in the ass and he shattered his back, because he got exactly what he deserved, and he had nobody to blame but himself.

Yeah, but he wasn't a christian at the time, and he wants forgiveness for all he did back then that was wrong. And Ive heard that people backstage totally believe it, and that he has turned around scince converting... And yet again, I want to believe that. I mean, he could still be scum, but he does seem to have turned around.

(I didn't make an enemy here, did I?)

~~Leo656~~ · 03-10-2003, 09:12 AM

I'm nobody's enemy. Just the Roddy Piper of the board: the guy that tells it exactly as he sees it whether people like it or not. You get used to me after a while.

I like Shawn Michaels the performer. He's entertained me for years. He rarely has bad matches, even now in the state he's in. But in all seriousness, I never played that "forgiveness" thing, especially when it comes to wrestling where the fans are hypocritical in favor of who they like or dislike. For example, Austin too begs forgiveness, in this case for beating his wife. A lot of people forgive him. I don't. A lot of people forgive HBK for being a d*ck in general for his entire career. I don't. And believe it or not, some people would argue that telling a bold-faced lie while "swearing to God" is worse than hitting a woman. Personally, not being very religious, I just call it "general d*ckish behavior" in both cases.

Or how about Hogan? People hate him because they say he can't wrestle, he only has a few moves, they say he plays politics, they say he protects his spot... and yet Trips is guilty of all that AND MORE, but a lot of people (and I'm not talking about you) think Hogan is the Anti-Christ and just think Trips is an annoying blowhard. It's funny to me how Trips is now engaged to Stephanie, therefore ensuring himself a top spot in the company until the day he dies, but back in '83 Hogan refused to even date Verne Gagne's daughter, because he knew it was a set-up by Verne to lock Hogan into the family so he would never leave the AWA. "I didn't want to marry the boss's daughter just to get some wrestling belt," Hogan says in his book. And yet what is Trips doing?

As far as wrestling skill goes, I managed to find a copy of Hogan's match with Great Muta from 1993. GOLD. Muta stalls a lot at the beginning, but it gets good FAST. Ever see Hogan do a freaking ENZIGUIRI? He pulled out more great stuff in that match than Trips has pulled out since he came back. So anyone who uses skill in the great Hogan-Trips debate can cram it, Hogan is GOD when he wants to be.

Keep in mind again I'm not talking about you, cuz you never mentioned Hogan.

Back to Michaels, though, I loved the guy back in 92. People tell me I look like him a lot (which kinda gets on my nerves, but I DO have hair that is just like his 92'93 look). I thought he was cool until I learned what a backstabbing, coke-sniffing, pill-popping, kiss-ass degenerate he really was. It just bothered me that he acted like he was the champion of the fans, and then he and Nash and Hall would hold up a house show for 3 hours because they "werent happy with the storylines" and Vince would have to fly in and placate Michaels like a pampered baby with cholic. Well, he's paying for it now, because nobody really likes him, nobody really trusts him, his back is in pieces and his hair's falling out. Instant karma really is gonna get you, I guess.

And yeah, a few times during his after-match posing his music started skipping and he stopped posing and stormed out of the ring. This mostly happened at house shows, but there was at least one time it happened on tv I think, cant remember when.

Another classic example of Shawn Michaels Charm School was at WM 11, Diesel whips him out of the ring and he lands on a cameraman. Michaels grabs the guy in an unscripted spot and drags him on the ground by his shirt, then tosses him aside. Then, realizing what a jerk he looks like, he does a lap around ringside to compose himself before getting back to the match. What a pro.

**GK Punk** · 03-10-2003, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm nobody's enemy. Just the Roddy Piper of the board: the guy that tells it exactly as he sees it whether people like it or not. You get used to me after a while.

I miss the Hot Rod

When I was young, he was my favorite, even more than Hogan...

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I like Shawn Michaels the performer. He's entertained me for years. He rarely has bad matches, even now in the state he's in. But in all seriousness, I never played that "forgiveness" thing, especially when it comes to wrestling where the fans are hypocritical in favor of who they like or dislike. For example, Austin too begs forgiveness, in this case for beating his wife. A lot of people forgive him. I don't. A lot of people forgive HBK for being a d*ck in general for his entire career. I don't. And believe it or not, some people would argue that telling a bold-faced lie while "swearing to God" is worse than hitting a woman. Personally, not being very religious, I just call it "general d*ckish behavior" in both cases.

I'll give ya that, like I said, I wanted to believe HBK but the fact remains, he lied and did something that just wasn't right... I could never do that to someone, and then say "Nope, wasn't me" If Vince asked me to do that, I hate to say it, but I would probably have gone with Bret to WCW.

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Or how about Hogan? People hate him because they say he can't wrestle, he only has a few moves, they say he plays politics, they say he protects his spot... and yet Trips is guilty of all that AND MORE, but a lot of people (and I'm not talking about you) think Hogan is the Anti-Christ and just think Trips is an annoying blowhard. It's funny to me how Trips is now engaged to Stephanie, therefore ensuring himself a top spot in the company until the day he dies, but back in '83 Hogan refused to even date Verne Gagne's daughter, because he knew it was a set-up by Verne to lock Hogan into the family so he would never leave the AWA. "I didn't want to marry the boss's daughter just to get some wrestling belt," Hogan says in his book. And yet what is Trips doing?
As far as wrestling skill goes, I managed to find a copy of Hogan's match with Great Muta from 1993. GOLD. Muta stalls a lot at the beginning, but it gets good FAST. Ever see Hogan do a freaking ENZIGUIRI? He pulled out more great stuff in that match than Trips has pulled out since he came back. So anyone who uses skill in the great Hogan-Trips debate can cram it, Hogan is GOD when he wants to be.

Actually, I respect Hogan... you can't blame the guy for being slow and
having 5 moves now, HE'S GETTING OLD! Just look at his old Matches, they were exciting! I still get chills down my spine everytime his music hits, I want to start cheering at him through the TV, like an 8 year old! Few people have had that Charisma that Hogan has, like him or not, the only person I can compare it too is Goldberg... yeah he was shoved down our throats, but he was intimidating, and charismatic.

And Goldberg could also do More moves than he usually showed, At his first PPV (I have it on tape, I cant remember which one it is right now, I think Starrcade 97) He did a BUNCH of actuall wrestling holds, before the spear and jackhammer, the match went 10 minutes or so.

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Back to Michaels, though, I loved the guy back in 92. People tell me I look like him a lot (which kinda gets on my nerves, but I DO have hair that is just like his 92'93 look). I thought he was cool until I learned what a backstabbing, coke-sniffing, pill-popping, kiss-ass degenerate he really was. It just bothered me that he acted like he was the champion of the fans, and then he and Nash and Hall would hold up a house show for 3 hours because they "werent happy with the storylines" and Vince would have to fly in and placate Michaels like a pampered baby with cholic. Well, he's paying for it now, because nobody really likes him, nobody really trusts him, his back is in pieces and his hair's falling out. Instant karma really is gonna get you, I guess.

lol karma's a bitch ain;t it? I kinda remember hearing about the Kliq's antics, but I didn't have the internet back then, so I had no Idea what was going on back stage, so I was oblivious on what HBK was about, untill Montreal. (I got the internet a few months before that Survivor Series)

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And yeah, a few times during his after-match posing his music started skipping and he stopped posing and stormed out of the ring. This mostly happened at house shows, but there was at least one time it happened on tv I think, cant remember when.

I really wish I could hve seen that!

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Another classic example of Shawn Michaels Charm School was at WM 11, Diesel whips him out of the ring and he lands on a cameraman. Michaels grabs the guy in an unscripted spot and drags him on the ground by his shirt, then tosses him aside. Then, realizing what a jerk he looks like, he does a lap around ringside to compose himself before getting back to the match. What a pro.

I actually do remember that, i never knew if that was scripted or not, and apparently it wasnt... that's just wrong

*R-iZZy* · 03-10-2003, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by azure turtle

Woah!! Test was in your town?? That's pretty cool. Have you been to any of the shows there, Ninja Nin?

YES... I was at a house show... and it was hilarious. Undertaker first invented that "Say 'what' if you sleep with your sister" thing in our town before he did it anywhere else. It was at a time where he was a heel and everyone said "What" after he paused. But he got alot of us... even me!!! I was so embarrassed, because some laughed at me...

Anyway... I really loved the ending... unforgettable. Angle had a microphone and went up to a 5-year-old little boy and asked him questions, but the kid would say "What" after every little thing Angle said. Angle got pissed and scared the boy away.

Then he went to a little black 8 year old... and asked, "Do you like Kurt Angle?" And the kid replied, "Yeah... you da bomb!"

The whole stadium booed the kid... then Angle gave the kid a hug then said. "Could you repeat that to these hicks?"

Then the kid said, "Psyche... you suck mudda f***er!!!"

THE WHOLE STADIUM ERUPTED INTO LAUGHTER... OH MY GOODNESS. I even laughed. Angle was irate, as the kid laughed and ran away. Unforgettable moment... I still have the ticket from that event in my wallet.

*R-iZZy* · 03-10-2003, 05:06 PM

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*stands up off seat and fixes an imaginary tie* So... would you go out with a 5'11'' angry man who is traumatized? *purrs*

*smiles* Hmmmmm......I suppose I would.....isn't like I've ever been out with someone who wasn't angry and traumatized......

just can't figure out why that is..

*sprays mint in mouth* Well... what would the people think? Student (patient) with a teacher (psychiatrist)? Strange...

*Storm Wolf* · 03-11-2003, 07:43 AM

*grins*
who cares what the people think.....and besides I've seen stranger!

*R-iZZy* · 03-11-2003, 03:39 PM

Same here... midget and mexican... wasn't the best looking thing to see, but it was stranger, nonetheless.

*Storm Wolf* · 03-12-2003, 07:52 AM

*gets a mental picture*
yeah....that would be kinda strange wouldn't it?
*tries not to laugh*

*R-iZZy* · 03-12-2003, 02:14 PM

What makes ya think it would be strange? *imagines the thought and hurls* Okay okay... it's strange.

**azure turtle** · 03-13-2003, 02:19 AM

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YES... I was at a house show... and it was hilarious. Undertaker first invented that "Say 'what' if you sleep with your sister" thing in our town before he did it anywhere else. It was at a time where he was a heel and everyone said "What" after he paused. But he got alot of us... even me!!! I was so embarrassed, because some laughed at me...

Anyway... I really loved the ending... unforgettable. Angle had a microphone and went up to a 5-year-old little boy and asked him questions, but the kid would say "What" after every little thing Angle said. Angle got pissed and scared the boy away.

Then he went to a little black 8 year old... and asked, "Do you like Kurt Angle?" And the kid replied, "Yeah... you da bomb!"

The whole stadium booed the kid... then Angle gave the kid a hug then said. "Could you repeat that to these hicks?"

Then the kid said, "Psyche... you suck mudda f***er!!!"

THE WHOLE STADIUM ERUPTED INTO LAUGHTER... OH MY GOODNESS. I even laughed. Angle was irate, as the kid laughed and ran away. Unforgettable moment... I still have the ticket from that event in my wallet.

That sounded like a lot of fun! I haven't seen a live event since the Heart Attack Tour way back in the early nineties. I'm kinda reluctant now, especially since large crowd signs have become a trend.

Oh! I went to the Wrestlemania Fanfest a couple years ago. I got to meet Bradshaw, Steven Richards (when he was still going as Stevie), Debra, Viscera, Pat Patterson, Jerry Brisco, and Bob Backlund. I saw a ton of other superstars, too, but I didn't get to meet them.

I gotta say, though. Bob Backlund is one of the coolest guys ever. He talked to me and my friends for a bit, before going to the showcase ring and working the crowd. He provided entertainment while we waited for a Crash/Taka match. Everyone was booing him except for us, and when Bob left, he gave me and my friends a thumbs up. The crowd had no idea why he was so nice to us, but insulted the rest of them.

*Storm Wolf* · 03-13-2003, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninja Turtle Nincompoop

What makes ya think it would be strange? *imagines the thought and hurls* Okay okay... it's strange.

*giggles*
your strange too......but in a good way!

03-11-2003, 03:39 PM	#216
R-iZZy The Long Con Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: G'ville, FL (Gator Country), USA Posts: 3,007	Same here... midget and mexican... wasn't the best looking thing to see, but it was stranger, nonetheless. __________________

03-12-2003, 02:14 PM	#218
R-iZZy The Long Con Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: G'ville, FL (Gator Country), USA Posts: 3,007	What makes ya think it would be strange? imagines the thought and hurls Okay okay... it's strange. __________________

03-10-2003, 06:50 AM	#202
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I've met... Bret Hart, Bam Bam Bigelow (2x), The Honky Tonk Man, Ax of Demolition, Tito Santana (2x), Jake "The Snake" Roberts, Hercules, Greg "The Hammer" Valentine (2x), Nikolai Volkoff, The Iron Shiek, Brutus Beefcake, and RVD and Fonzie. The RVD one was cool because it was at this flea market near my house, so y'know, there's families there and stuff, and when RVD comes through the curtain on crutches (this was when he broke his ankle in ECW), hundreds of people start screaming "THE WHOLE F*IN' SHOW! THE WHOLE FIN' SHOW!" It was awesome. RVD talked with me about his ankle, saying "it's nothing compared to what my wife went through", referencing how she had crushed her leg in a boating accident the year before. I'm sure RVD was ok though... anyone that knows him knows that if he aint a walking spokesperson for medicinal marijuana, nobody is. I almost* met Hogan, I was literally two feet away from him, only seperated by a plate glass window. I was NEXT in line to go into "WWE The World" and meet him, and they cut the line off right in front of me and locked me and everyone behind me out. I tried bribing a security guard even, but no dice. Notes on a few other wrestlers: Actually, I like some of RVD's WWE matches better than his ECW stuff because they don't take forever. 20-minute matches are great, don't get me wrong, but not when it goes like "RVD hits a big move, stops, does the 'Rob... Van... Dam!' pose, then pauses while the fans cheer, then hits another big move, rinse, repeat." like 90% of RVD's ECW stuff was equally split between high spots and posing, and much as I LOVE the guy I was always like "c'mon, DO something already!" That and his punches are the worst in the business, but his stiff kicks make up for it. Aldo: That's right, no "Justin Credible" for me. Just like The Rock will always be "Flex", Justin Tolerable will always be called "Aldo" by me. I just never thought he was that good. When he got to the WWE you could really tell just how much Heyman's booking protected him in ECW. Raven, however, I LOVE. It's sad that he was miserable in WCW, and walked out on his contract to be outta there, then goes to the WWF/WWE and it turns out that WCW actually was 100x better at using him. He was always over, always had an angle, and was always taken seriously. In the WWE, they turned him into a joke. That just sucks. See also: Saturn, Perry. I hate HHH, Flex, and Stone Cold Steve Austin. Feel free to ask why. Each guy has at least a dozen reasons.

03-10-2003, 08:20 AM	#205
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Screw "trendy", I've never liked him and never will. The guy holds down guys he thinks are better than him (like Jericho), refuses to work with guys he thinks are "beneath" him (RVD), sits in on the creative meetings to make sure everything goes his way (something people used to SCREAM about Hogan doing in WCW), and screws the bosses' daughter just to make certain that he'll NEVER have to look bad. Ever. Forget the fact that ever since he got hurt he's been absolute crap in the ring, it's his BS politics that make me hate him now. I always thought he was a boring wrestler, now he's just a jerk. One segment sums up HHH. Back in '99 or thereabouts, DX does a skit where they encounter several homeless people on the street. One holds up a sign that says "will work for food". HHH laughs and says "Work? You can't work, you're as bad as Jericho!" At the time, "Trips" and Jericho had NO storyline involvement with each other, "Trips" was just taking a mean-spirited jab at someone beneath him on the card who he sees as a threat. And don't forget that in wrestling, perception = reality. If Trips constantly hammers home the point that he's better than everyone (and he does, just count how many minutes of Raw are devoted to him each and every week whether he wrestles or not), then the audience starts to believe it. Screw Trips. He's not as big a lying, back-stabbing egotistical weasel as that piece of garbage Shawn Michaels, but he aint far off. Of course, you can like him all you want, this is just why I don't like him.

03-10-2003, 08:33 AM	#207
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Might as well explain my festering hatred for Flex and Austin while I'm here... Flex, aka The Rock: The "pet project" of Vinnie Mac. I never understood how someone the fans DESPISED when he came in could become the most popular star they have. Fact is, the guy isn't that much better in the ring than he was back in 96, he just gives better interviews. He's sloppy, everything he does is entirely too loose, his selling is pathetically overdone, and he pisses on Bret's legacy every time he does that lame excuse for a Sharpshooter. But Vince knew from Day One that he wanted Flex to be a star, so he rammed him down our throats until we accepted him, just like Trips. Not to mention one of the lamest finishers EVER in The People's Elbow, and the end result is a guy who is just so incredibly stupid that he annoys the heck outta me. When he's a heel, he's bearable. When he's a face, and the fans actually CHEER him for being ridiculous, it gets on my nerves. He's the "American Pie" of wrestling: catering to the absolute lowest common denominator, no redeeming value whatsoever, less funny with each viewing, yet overwhelmingly successful. And yet Raven gets released. Austin: It's not so much that he walked out last year. I've heard his side, and he has a lot of good points. Creative SHOULD be in the wrestlers hands. But in hiring him back after saying he never would, Vince revealed that he has no spine. What if, and it's not at all farfetched, Austin does it again? At some point you have to be the boss. Aside from that, he suffers from the same "working too loose" dilemma that Flex has, but if he wasn't so lazy these days he could easily fix it, he's that good. More than anything, though, it bothers me that fans are still worshiping this guy after he smacked his wife around after walking out last year. He's an ass, plain and simple, and the fans oughta tell him so. But no, "it's ok you had a bad few weeks at work and smacked your wife around, Steve, it's ok, we forgive you. Drink your beer and give us the finger and we'll cheer you to the ends of the Earth". It's just wrong, people. Again, just my opinions. God knows lots of people hate Hogan, and I worship the red and yellow ground he walks on.

03-10-2003, 08:41 AM	#208
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	See, I just can't in good conscience ignore the fact that someone is a jerk just because he's entertaining. Shawn Michaels is one of the best wrestlers ever, no doubt, but he's also a scumbag. Faking injuries left and right to avoid losing matches, having his hand in Vince's pocket (among other places), acting like a spoiled brat when he didn't get his way (ever see the times he threw tantrums in the ring when his music got messed up? How about when he fought Vader and threw a hissy fit mid-match because Vader was out of place for one little move?), and most of all, the Bret Hart incident. He recently came out and admitted he knew, from the beginning, that he was in on the screwjob. 99% of the free world knew this anyway, but if Shawn was a man he wouldn't have danced around the question for years. Ever see "Wrestling With Shadows", the documentary on Bret Hart that covers the Montreal Incident? Shawn Michaels is summed up perfectly after the match with Bret where he and Vince screwed Bret out of the belt. Bret: "Shawn, you weren't in on that?" Shawn: "I had nothing to do with it, with God as my witness! I went and gave him the belt when I got back here! My hands are clean of this one, I swear to God! I won't have any part of it." Bad enough he lied to the guy's face, he swore to God. Some Born-Again Christian he is. Yeah, he's entertaining, but my conscience just won't let me cheer for a guy like that. Instead, I cheered when karma bit him in the ass and he shattered his back, because he got exactly what he deserved, and he had nobody to blame but himself.

03-10-2003, 08:42 AM	#209
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	I actually used to like the rock back when everyone hated him, then the more exposure he got the more I realized... the guy sucks, I totally agree with you 100% And what you said about Austin... I hate that SOB... I don't care if you have a bad day at work, that's no excuse to go home and Beat your wife, that's just not right and I dont care what reason you have... and It makes me sick when the fans cheer him now... I wish he never would have come back. I hope he screws Vinnie Mac over again, and disapears.

03-10-2003, 09:12 AM	#211
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I'm nobody's enemy. Just the Roddy Piper of the board: the guy that tells it exactly as he sees it whether people like it or not. You get used to me after a while. I like Shawn Michaels the performer. He's entertained me for years. He rarely has bad matches, even now in the state he's in. But in all seriousness, I never played that "forgiveness" thing, especially when it comes to wrestling where the fans are hypocritical in favor of who they like or dislike. For example, Austin too begs forgiveness, in this case for beating his wife. A lot of people forgive him. I don't. A lot of people forgive HBK for being a dck in general for his entire career. I don't. And believe it or not, some people would argue that telling a bold-faced lie while "swearing to God" is worse than hitting a woman. Personally, not being very religious, I just call it "general dckish behavior" in both cases. Or how about Hogan? People hate him because they say he can't wrestle, he only has a few moves, they say he plays politics, they say he protects his spot... and yet Trips is guilty of all that AND MORE, but a lot of people (and I'm not talking about you) think Hogan is the Anti-Christ and just think Trips is an annoying blowhard. It's funny to me how Trips is now engaged to Stephanie, therefore ensuring himself a top spot in the company until the day he dies, but back in '83 Hogan refused to even date Verne Gagne's daughter, because he knew it was a set-up by Verne to lock Hogan into the family so he would never leave the AWA. "I didn't want to marry the boss's daughter just to get some wrestling belt," Hogan says in his book. And yet what is Trips doing? As far as wrestling skill goes, I managed to find a copy of Hogan's match with Great Muta from 1993. GOLD. Muta stalls a lot at the beginning, but it gets good FAST. Ever see Hogan do a freaking ENZIGUIRI? He pulled out more great stuff in that match than Trips has pulled out since he came back. So anyone who uses skill in the great Hogan-Trips debate can cram it, Hogan is GOD when he wants to be. Keep in mind again I'm not talking about you, cuz you never mentioned Hogan. Back to Michaels, though, I loved the guy back in 92. People tell me I look like him a lot (which kinda gets on my nerves, but I DO have hair that is just like his 92'93 look). I thought he was cool until I learned what a backstabbing, coke-sniffing, pill-popping, kiss-ass degenerate he really was. It just bothered me that he acted like he was the champion of the fans, and then he and Nash and Hall would hold up a house show for 3 hours because they "werent happy with the storylines" and Vince would have to fly in and placate Michaels like a pampered baby with cholic. Well, he's paying for it now, because nobody really likes him, nobody really trusts him, his back is in pieces and his hair's falling out. Instant karma really is gonna get you, I guess. And yeah, a few times during his after-match posing his music started skipping and he stopped posing and stormed out of the ring. This mostly happened at house shows, but there was at least one time it happened on tv I think, cant remember when. Another classic example of Shawn Michaels Charm School was at WM 11, Diesel whips him out of the ring and he lands on a cameraman. Michaels grabs the guy in an unscripted spot and drags him on the ground by his shirt, then tosses him aside. Then, realizing what a jerk he looks like, he does a lap around ringside to compose himself before getting back to the match. What a pro.