The Dark Knight Rises

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Brodie

Incredibly lackluster teaser.

It sucked. The only good teaser this series has had was the one for Batman Begins.

[sdp]

I thought the teaser and trailer for Batman Begins were terrible and its one of my favorite movies. I'm not a fan of Bane being used, I would have much rather have seen Riddler, Black Mask, or Penguin but oh well Nolan hasn't disappointed yet.

I think TDKR will get hated on because of the overrated film that The Dark Knight is, which as good as it is Batman Begins is better in every way. Not crapping on TDK but I wonder if Ledger hadn't died if it had been half as big as it became, I mean Begins while it made a lot of money it mostly went under the radar so to speak, it never had or got the amount of hype TDK got. Anyways there's way too many expectations and people want a bunch of different things the franchise to do for the last film and there is no way they'll please anyone.

Personally I'm sure I'll think the movie will be awesome/amazing, however I doubt it'll be as good as Begins. I'm actually more interested in seeing the post-Nolan Batman films. While I loved the realistic take of the Nolan movies, I don't think the next director should try to do it for the fourth film since it won't be able to live up to it, it needs to try something different, adding more sci-fi would work and help differentiate it while adding something new. While people may hate on the Schumacher films, quality of the movies aside I really dig the art style they went with and how different it was from Burtons gothic art style.

[The Stryker]

The next Batman movie should have the same style as the Brave and the bold series just to f*ck with all the Nolan jockriders.

[ToTheNines]

I'm kinda worried that I'm going to have the exact same problem with Bane that I had with Joker in TDK, which was the fact that he was damn near invincible. I still hate how the Joker strolls through that movie as easily as he did. Obviously that kind of thing is more believable with a guy like Bane, but he can't be bulletproof.

[XERO]

Dude, it's the Joker. He hardly dies anyway.

[Iroh]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

It sucked. The only good teaser this series has had was the one for Batman Begins.

You are right! Batman Begins really and truly had me on edge when Wayne was training. That was an epic movie!

[shuriken]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I'm kinda worried that I'm going to have the exact same problem with Bane that I had with Joker in TDK, which was the fact that he was damn near invincible. I still hate how the Joker strolls through that movie as easily as he did. Obviously that kind of thing is more believable with a guy like Bane, but he can't be bulletproof.

Joker kept getting his ass kicked and almost always had an some sort of protection with him. SO yeah...
Besides Bane doesn't need to be bullet proof. Batman doesn't use bullets. Or guns for that matter. Bane's just a super intelligent man beast out to break people's backs and take over Gotham.

[Iroh]

Originally Posted by shuriken

Joker kept getting his ass kicked and almost always had an some sort of protection with him. SO yeah...
Besides Bane doesn't need to be bullet proof. Batman doesn't use bullets. Or guns for that matter. Bane's just a super intelligent man beast out to break people's backs and take over Gotham.

I believe Batman is going to use his batarang to disconnect those hoses on Bane's head to stun him. Then, he will wrap the grappling hook around Bane's neck to choke him out.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by XERO

Dude, it's the Joker. He hardly dies anyway.

Originally Posted by shuriken

Joker kept getting his ass kicked and almost always had an some sort of protection with him. SO yeah...
Besides Bane doesn't need to be bullet proof. Batman doesn't use bullets. Or guns for that matter.

I'm not even really talking about Batman here, and I'm not saying someone should have killed the Joker. It's just that he seemed like he could do anything. Only one of the Mob bosses tries anything against him out of all of them. And I know Gotham's corrupt and all but it doesn't seem likely that he could rig the Major Crimes Unit and the hospital with that many explosives....

And then after the police station gets blown up, he just walks right out with Lao and steals a bunch of cop cars. You mean to tell me that the explosion incapacitated every single officer in the precinct?

But hopefully Bane is rolling deep with the whole League of Shadows. A band of ninjas is a more believable threat than a bunch of ragtag thugs and their clown ring-leader.

[Godzilla]

Teaser has been officially released now.

[Leo656]

Can't wait for it, but it saddens me that no matter how good it is, it's a lame-duck movie because everyone already knows they're rebooting it in a couple years.

Hopefully the next series picks up a few years into the Batman saga, rather than the usual "it's new cast/director/tone so let's re-do the origin again". I doubt they could do much better than Begins, so it'd be nice to see them try some Batman stories that haven't been on film yet. I vote for Robin, finally (I don't count Forever or Batman & Robin, they totally didn't even try to do it properly). If they can make Robin awesome in the comics (and they have), they could easily do a Trilogy of films where he joins Batman, matures as Robin in the second one, and finally becomes Nightwing in the third one. And since they love starting new Franchises so much, they could easily spin Nightwing off into his own movie at that point and not have to reboot Batman yet again. It'd be easy as hell, they're just too lazy to try. I'm sick of "Batman the crazy dark loner" in movies; yeah it's a vital part of the mythos, but look it up: 99% of Batman's career he was anything but a loner.

But back on the topic of the new flick, I can't wait to see how they finish up. I've been wanting to see a decent take on Bane for almost 20 years. I'm sad they're ending the series because I would have loved to see their take on guys like Riddler, Penguin, etc., but at least it looks like they're going out on the highest of notes, rather than limp to the end like Schumacher's abortions did.

[ToTheNines]

Yeah, I say it's definitely time for Robin. I know most people are gonna sh*t on the idea, but it could be done well. The last movie series started Dick too old and comics started him too young. If they make him a 13-14 year old kid (who would have to be cast very carefully) when Bruce adopts him, that'd make a lot more sense. Plus that'd make him just about old enough to become Nightwing by the time the sequel rolls around, and I know the audience would be more open to that idea.

And of course, put him in the Red Robin costume.

Originally Posted by Leo656

I would have loved to see their take on guys like Riddler, Penguin, etc., but at least it looks like they're going out on the highest of notes, rather than limp to the end like Schumacher's abortions did.

Riddler... Idk. Penguin definitely.

I also would have liked to this Bat-verses version of Poison Ivy (sexy red-headed eco-terrorist), Black Mask (as a cult leader rather than straight up crime boss) and even Mr. Freeze or the Ventriloquist (as side villains, not the big baddies)

[Leo656]

Ehh, I'm more a fan of the original Tim Drake outfit from 1991-ish onward. Perfect blend of classic and modern. That was the one thing about Forever that I didn't hate, was the Robin suit, they kept it as close to the books as they could for a change. They just screwed up by putting in someone who was way too old, as you said, and confusing Grayson's personality with Jason Todd's, probably to condense all three Robins into one (Grayson's origin, Todd's personality, and Drake's suit).

And I'm sure they could have done an awesome Riddler in the Nolan-verse. They could have played it as the one guy who could out-smart Batman rather than the customary "goofy" version everyone remembers. Riddler's had his moments, it just takes a good writer to find them. No bad characters, just lazy writers, that's basic Creative Writing philosophy.

I agree, though, Black Mask could'a been cool also. And even though circumstances necessitated it, I'm never happy that The Joker only ever gets one story per movie series even though he's the only Batman villain that comic readers seem to care about, Two-Face being a close second and he gets the same treatment. Ah well.

[ToTheNines]

As far strictly Robin costumes go? Yeah, Tim Drake's is the best. It's just that I, and a LOT of people, don't like the bullsh*t idea that a Domino mask is sufficient identity protection. And there should be as little yellow as possible in the outfit too. I really like Dick's suit in Young Justice right now, except for the effing yellow cape.

As far as Riddler goes, I do like him and wouldn't mind seeing him in a reboot, but I just feel like his name alone is too goofy for a Nolan Bat-movie. Even his real name is stupid lol.

Agreed whole-heartedly on Joker but not on Two-Face. I loved how he was handled in TDK and hated him enough in Forever to not care about seeing him anymore in that series.

[Leo656]

I think the conceit is that since Robin is just a kid, and his alter-ego is not a prominent public figure like Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent, nobody really cares who Robin is, except maybe Child Protective Services. Bad guys just can't get over the fact they keep getting beat up by a 12-year old. I only ever got the idea that Joker and Two-Face cared who Robin really was, and even then it was only about Dick and his relationship with each of them.

Riddler's real name is Eddie Nashton, "Edward Nigma" is an alias. So that would still work in a flick without being goofy. They could even twist it just a bit darker from the comics and make him a toned-down Jigsaw-style serial killer (thematically, not as far as gore content), obsessed with leaving riddles as to his next victims, or using variations on the ? as a theme in his murders. Many serial killers or other disturbed individuals frequently have near-genius intelligence, so I could see The Riddler portrayed as a sociopathic genius, someone so much more intelligent than everyone else that he could get away with anything, even murder, and the only one who can stop him is Batman. Only problem there is that it's too close to Joker's MO from TDK, but it's an example of how it wouldn't take much to do a "serious" take on Riddler.

Here's an idea as well: In the hypothetical film, the identity of The Riddler is shrouded in mystery, just like the man and his motives. We don't actually see him physically until later on, and when we do he is always partially obscured and we never see his face. Meanwhile, new Gotham City D.A. Edward Nashton (see where I'm going with this?) organizes a task force to solve the mysterious "Riddler" killings, and prove that Gotham doesn't need Batman. Then about 3/4 of the way through, we get the big reveal a'la Ra's from Batman Begins, but only Batman knows the truth and he has to find a way to stop Riddler without looking like an enemy of the GCPD and Nashton. Theoretically that could pick up right where TDK left off, not saying it would be better than what they're actually doing though, just saying it's one idea.

He'd have to be the suit and derby hat Riddler, though, not the spandex guy. Maybe his suit could even be black with little green ?s instead of the reverse. Can't think who'd play him, though, I'm bad at fantasy casting.

[ToTheNines]

Alright, but the reason Tim starts wearing the Red Robin suit was because he got his dome busted up. Domino masks offer no head protection.

Not a bad idea for Riddler though. I always thought it would be cool to have him be Gotham City PD's star forensics scientist before Batman was in town. Then once Batman starts solving all the major mysteries, Edward's narcissism leaves him feeling inadequate (maybe even throw in something about Bruce Wayne making some donation to the department that also makes his job less important). This gives him motivation to hate Batman and start digging into who he really is, and begin setting up a string of murder mysteries that are near impossible to solve.

Still don't think it's a good idea to actually call him "The Riddler" and you'd probably need a brusier like Hush, Deadshot or someone else in the story to provide the hand-to-hand fighting that poor Eddie's never been very good at.

As for an actor? I envision a handsome guy who can also pull off "creepy". Maybe Jeremy Renner, he portrayed Jeffrey Dahmer in movie from a while back.

[Andrew NDB]

Some quick thoughts:

* No, no Robins (or Batgirls) have any place in a Nolan-verse Batman movie.
* Riddler is basically a bargain basement, somewhat saner Joker and to expect a POST-Joker Nolan-verse movie to feature the Riddler is silly.
* I'm about the biggest Bane fan on the planet (I've scoured every single appearance and bought it, no matter how small) and I can't wait to see him in action in Dark Knight. I keep replaying those two seconds over and over again.
* Catwoman will be cool to see. The more I think about Hathaway in the role, the more I like it.
* I think it's sh*tty and somewhat selfish that this is being billed as "the epic conclusion" blah blah blah. I mean, come on, Nolan. Just wrap up your trilogy, walk gracefully away with or without Bale, then pass the baton/car keys to the next director to keep this ship sailing.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

Teaser has been officially released now.

lookin good

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

* I think it's sh*tty and somewhat selfish that this is being billed as "the epic conclusion" blah blah blah. I mean, come on, Nolan. Just wrap up your trilogy, walk gracefully away with or without Bale, then pass the baton/car keys to the next director to keep this ship sailing.

There's plenty of rumblings that Batman will die in this movie. Defnitely don't like the idea, but we'll have to wait and see if that even happens before getting worked up about it.

[Brodie]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

There's plenty of rumblings that Batman will die in this movie..

I ****ing hope so.