Dragonball and Z discussion

[CyberCubed]

Since just about everyone here has watched DBZ and Dragonball, what do you think of it?

Is it the classic shonen anime of all time? Every action manga/anime that came after it was directly influenced by it in some way. Goku is also one of the most iconic anime characters of all time.

Discuss.

[FoxBoxKid]

Still waiting for the Kai season 5 dub.

[MrTMNT2012]

Naruto did it better.

DBZ may have revolutionised Shounen Action Manga storytelling but Naruto perfected it. And One Piece is in a whole different league than both of them!

[CyberCubed]

For Naruto are you strictly talking about the manga? Because the anime has even more horrible fillers than DBZ.

Its rather telling that DBZ was only 291 episodes....combine it with Dragonball and its only a little under 500....Naruto has what like 700+ episodes?

[MrTMNT2012]

Uh no, Naruto is looking to be finished AT MOST by 420 which puts the entire series at barely 600 episodes.

There are specific Naruto fillers that completely own anything from DBZ but yes, in general, DBZ fillers are slightly less atrocious.

It's funny how you don't mention GT...

[CyberCubed]

GT isn't canon anymore so it no longer matters. The 2013 DBZ movie retconned it, and they're making a sequel next year.

[THGhost]

I've loved DBZ since it started airing on Cartoon Network in the 90s. I've never seen the original Dragon Ball but I no doubt will someday.

My favourite character has always been Vegeta and my favourite villain is Frieza.

Originally Posted by FoxBoxKid

Still waiting for the Kai season 5 dub.

Ditto!

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

GT isn't canon anymore...

Was it ever?

[shuriken]

SOOOO have you guys heard of the new movie coming out bringing back Frieza? Should be neat I guess.
To Be honest I'm awaiting the next episode of team four star's abridged series more.

[DarkFell]

Originally Posted by shuriken

SOOOO have you guys heard of the new movie coming out bringing back Frieza? Should be neat I guess.
To Be honest I'm awaiting the next episode of team four star's abridged series more.

Same here. I'm curious to see what TFS does to the post Android Saga Pre-Cell Saga. I sorta feel that Frieza has had enough closure in the regular series *and movies* although I might watch the movie anyway just for the sake of curiosity.

[tmntpower1988]

Originally Posted by THGhost

I've loved DBZ since it started airing on Cartoon Network in the 90s. I've never seen the original Dragon Ball but I no doubt will someday.

My favourite character has always been Vegeta and my favourite villain is Frieza.



Ditto!



Was it ever?

Dragon Ball is hilarious It's a really perverted show Master Roshi has me in stitches laughing every time haha

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by tmntpower1988

Dragon Ball is hilarious It's a really perverted show Master Roshi has me in stitches laughing every time haha

Yeah, I hear it's completely different to Z in terms of tone. Once the dub for the Buu saga of Kai is released and I've watched it I'll start Dragon Ball - I'll consider it a prequel to Z.

[sdp]

I saw the original Dragon Ball in Mexico in the early 90s and liked it, it was a funny show with action, up to middle of the Red Ribbon Saga and then there were only repeats. In the US DB obviously didn't air because of its sexual content and no one knew of the show or other animes I had watched so I kind of forgot about it since I had no one to talk about it in the US as a kid and instead would talk about Power Rangers or whatever was popular at the time. When I returned to Mexico for they had already aired a bunch more episodes and I was surprised by how awesome the show got with more action instead of comedy and got to see the "new" episodes of the Piccolo saga. By that time there were tons of japanese DBZ posters everywhere and I couldn't wait to get to those episodes and eventually they started airing. A lot of people in Mexico got into DBZ as their first show in the series but since DB aired completely many times you found plenty of people who had already seen the entire of DB. It took forever but eventually they finished the Freeza saga, this was the peak of the franchise in Mexico and for me as well. I then moved again to the US DBZ had just began airing, but I didn't feel like re-watching all of the Freeza saga AGAIN and didn't like that people didn't appreciate who some characters were because they started with DBZ or wouldn't like DB because DBZ is so different. I did see most of the Android/Cell/Majin Buu sagas when I would go on vacation to Mexico but I was beginning now a teenager so I didn't care nor did I care when those sagas eventually came to the US since I had moved on to girls and music. When I saw DBGT which I had always wanted to watch since I remember seeing SSJ4 scans back when DBZ was only airing the Saiyan saga I liked it, I had already known about the negativity that saga had but I liked the combination of DB era adventure with DBZ action and thought the ending was really good.

I always hated how all the movies broke continuity and would think of convoluted ways to make them fit haha. So yeah I like DB but got fed up with the fandom of DBZ, but I like all of it, I haven't rewatched the show since I saw it for the first time but I do want to eventually marathon all of DB/Z/GT/Movies one of these days. It's definitely a shonen anime of its time and has great characters and story but it's far from the greatest thing ever created and many animes get shunned because of the popularity of DBZ, that's the only beef I have against the franchise.

As for DBZ revivals post-GT, I've only watched" Vegeta's brother" special and the new movie, both were enjoyable, since they were comedy oriented however I'm not sure if I'd be able to stand another "serious" DBZ type show again, after DBZ finished it had gotten pretty ridiculous that without a huge comedic tone in between like the original/GT/new specials have its hard to take seriously.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

GT isn't canon anymore so it no longer matters. The 2013 DBZ movie retconned it, and they're making a sequel next year.

Isn't canon anymore? Who made that decision? Akira Toriyama? The guy who can't even remember what SSJ2 is and mentioned all SSJ forms are just small powerups and only the first SSJ form is the real one? And forgets many things from the DB lore post-Freeza saga and retcons most of his ideas? Akira Toriyama is the George Lucas of Anime and it's more than clear that he can't outgrow the Freeza saga and that its where the story should've ended since he obviously only wrote the other parts because of money and now he's trying to retract them.

**** it, I actually enjoy GT as much as the post-Freeza sagas, and the new movies don't pose many big contradictions anyway as far as I recall, there are just as many contradictions in the actual show itself. It's not like the new movie was super consistent either with the lore and personalities, even if I did enjoy the movie. So yeah, it's clear that Toriyama doesn't care about continuity as much as fans do so I always find annoying internet people telling you that "GT isn't canon because Toriyama said so", irrelevant. It's only not canon in the manga.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by THGhost

Yeah, I hear it's completely different to Z in terms of tone. Once the dub for the Buu saga of Kai is released and I've watched it I'll start Dragon Ball - I'll consider it a prequel to Z.

Dragonball was a comedy with a little action until the final season.