Official Ep Discussion: S3 Ep3: "Buried Secrets"

[snake]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

Or have we gotten to the point where criticism of the show in any form is frowned upon?

Nah, I'm just saying that the atmosphere is different over on that forum rather then here.

The show has its problems, but I really think that we obsess over tiny details a lot.

[JTH]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

And who here has been acting like that? Cybercubed is about the only guy that constantly whines and cries that the sky is falling.

Or have we gotten to the point where criticism of the show in any form is frowned upon?

Well, this one comes to mind after the Season 3 premiere.

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

So pretty much, if you're a Raphael fan then the episode is yet again Another Middle Finger to Raphael fans...despite all of the people on this board who kept telling & posting to me in comments to 'just wait, just wait, just wait'...and it's just 'Raph gets turned into a flower'. That's it for him.

Yep. Bravo. I wonder how many episodes it Will take folks on here to realize the bull going on with how they're using/treating certain characters like Raph on this show...and how they will do Nothing with him but crap like this. Nah, he can't be a badass. This week we turn him into a flower and give him nothing else for him to do...congrats.

And which he responded very next comment saying he hadn't even seen the episode yet...

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Actually, I didn't see the episode. And yeah, I know people will whine about that.

But here's the thing...as a Raphael fan, why should I? When someone I know sees it and says "All Raph does is turn into a flower, and does nothing else. He's absent for most of the episode" and once again showed that he's a Useless character...and No One disagreed with that statement on the boards, then it tells the whole thing for me.

I'm not watching the show until they give Raphael something to actually Do and stop treating him like he's a pointless character who seems completely useless to the team. I'd love for that to happen, I really would.

When someone comes up to me and says 'hey, in this episode they did Raph Justice'...whether by treating him like a badass again or as a worthy character, then I'll give the show a look again.

So this. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's uninformed/misinformed opinions...

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by snake

The show has its problems, but I really think that we obsess over tiny details a lot.

....Like? I'm seriously curious.

Most here are talking about the lameness of the past three episodes and how April has become deus ex machina in human form. It's not like people are complaining about Raph's sai handles being the wrong shade of red.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by snake

Spoiler:

I don't want to upset any people here, but does anyone think that we take this show too seriously? I mean, I'm on a star wars forum and all we do is laugh and talk about how fun the episodes are for the new show, and the show is on par with nick turtles. People here just complain. Like I said, I don't want to upset anyone.

I feel the same way. I do feel that some people are overly critical, especially those who nitpick over stuff they should know won't change by now, like romance stuff. It's annoying to see people complain over it, especially since, in my opinion, it's easy to ignore since it's never the main focus of the episodes.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

I feel the same way. I do feel that some people are overly critical, especially those who nitpick over stuff they should know won't change by now, like romance stuff. It's annoying to see people complain over it, especially since, in my opinion, it's easy to ignore since it's never the main focus of the episodes.

Except in the big foot episode where it was half of the episode and accomplished nothing?

Come on guys. It's starting to come off to me like 'Hey! Love it or Leave it pal!'

[IndigoErth]

Just wanna have nice chats with people who enjoy the same adorkable Turtles, is that so wrong...



I feel for people when something seems to be a big letdown for them. Partly I wonder if the movie debating got everyone into that mode, or if it was already this way before I ventured into online-fan territory.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

Except in the big foot episode where it was half of the episode and accomplished nothing?

Come on guys. It's starting to come off to me like 'Hey! Love it or Leave it pal!'

But usually it isn't is what I'm saying. There are eps that do focus on it, the Bigfoot ep and the Ho Chan one, but other eps it's usually comedic and just reminding folks it exists, like this recent ep. Very beginning, nothing much after that as it wasn't the plot or focus or plot catalyst of the ep.

Some would still complain

Edit: oh yeah in my original post I meant to write "usually never". Sorry for the mix up.

[OrangeNinja1987]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

I feel the same way. I do feel that some people are overly critical, especially those who nitpick over stuff they should know won't change by now, like romance stuff. It's annoying to see people complain over it, especially since, in my opinion, it's easy to ignore since it's never the main focus of the episodes.

I totally agree. When I see some episodes, I'm smiling like an idiot the entire time and can't wait to see what other people think about it online, and then I come here and everyone is complaining about it!
The show can't please everyone. People say now that Raph gets no attention but then if he suddenly gets a lot of great episodes, people will say the show is paying him too much attention! TMNT fans are never happy.
Sure, the show has its problems, but I still find that overall it is still amazing. Picking out every negative thing has no benefit to the show - I don't think the show writers check this site regularly for what the demographic they aren't even targeting has to say about the show. All the complaining only taints the memory of the episode (I only absolutely hate the episodes Pizza Face and Chinatown Ghost Story but it seems it's a rarity here for people to like an episode lately, mainly because they point out all the bad and ignore the good).
I've actually considered leaving the site before because it's just so negative. Other TMNT sites are a lot more positive about the show.
I guess I'm just an outlier, because this exact thing happened to me with the 2014 movie. I feel like I'm the only one in the world who loved it.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

But usually it isn't is what I'm saying. There are eps that do focus on it, the Bigfoot ep and the Ho Chan one, but other eps it's usually comedic and just reminding folks it exists, like this recent ep. Very beginning, nothing much after that as it wasn't the plot of the ep.

Some would still complain.

People wouldn't be complaining as much if it was written well....but it isn't...so it's annoying to watch it.....it's annoying to be reminded every episode it exists and it's annoying to have full episodes dedicated to it.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

People wouldn't be complaining as much if it was written well....but it isn't...so it's annoying to watch it.....it's annoying to be reminded every episode it exists and it's annoying to have full episodes dedicated to it.

Agreed.

I like the show as a whole most of the time but the Donatello relationship stuff has been so poorly handled and lame. It's made me dislike the Donatello character in recent episodes which is a shame since I liked him a lot in season one. I just get bored because practically anything that comes out of his mouth is April related and it's like "Is that all?"

But I guess I'm 'nitpicking' now.

[JTH]

The sad thing is I've seen people for real, the real world act 10 times dumber in a relationship or anything in general than anything I've ever seen in this show. Every day, you look in the paper and the dumbest thing you've ever seen is one upped the next day by something more asinine.

Perhaps is why I don't get where people get this stuff as poorly written. Hell, from what I've seen people do it's more properly written than poorly written, because you witness stupid crap done every day.

There's almost no such thing as "poorly written" anymore for you can turn around see something you thought was absolutely unheard of, and boom...there it is before your eyes.

[Bitsy83]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Just wanna have nice chats with people who enjoy the same adorkable Turtles, is that so wrong...

http://38.media.tumblr.com/fc55331cc...9mevo1_500.gif

I feel for people when something seems to be a big letdown for them. Partly I wonder if the movie debating got everyone into that mode, or if it was already this way before I ventured into online-fan territory.

I SO know how you feel. This was the main reason I joined this forum. The only fans I could talk to were on Deviantart, Tumblr, and IMDB. This seemed the most direct way to really CHAT with fans and find out things about the franchise that interested me. Yeah, the new show is far from perfect and, if I really focused on it, I tend to be a bit nitpicky too. But I can't think of one version of the Turtles that was 100%. Even the classic comics had some flaws, like how the Turtles had that same "gritting teeth" expression in almost every panel they were fighting in.

I guess when this show is on the same network as Avatar, people expect more from it. That was a show that was (and still is) incredibly well-thought out and told. I suppose, deep down, we want this to be on the same level.

Hey, the old show(s) had just as many flaws as this one, if not more. Let's just focus on how Turtles makes us FEEL instead of what we should or shouldn't be seeing, ok?

[LR19]

Originally Posted by JTH

There's almost no such thing as "poorly written" anymore for you can turn around see something you thought was absolutely unheard of, and boom...there it is before your eyes.

I agree with your earlier point about the awkward teenage romance aspect not being poorly written (I think the writing on it is fine, people just don't like it, which is also fine - I myself am tired of it), but totally disagree with the last part. Bad writing exists in the face of anything. Bad writing absolutely exists.

As a lurker who's finally popped up on this forum, I agree that it tends to lean on the negative side here lately. That said, I can't begrudge people not liking what they don't like and getting the chance to express that just as freely as those who do like it. Someone earlier posted that they liked the episode and has been all but ignored while the thread has opted to once again debate differences in taste. Just sayin'

...ugh, hi, I'm new and I apparently butt in on conversations. /back to the sewer to lurk

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by JTH

The sad thing is I've seen people for real, the real world act 10 times dumber in a relationship or anything in general than anything I've ever seen in this show. Every day, you look in the paper and the dumbest thing you've ever seen is one upped the next day by something more asinine.

Perhaps is why I don't get where people get this stuff as poorly written. Hell, from what I've seen people do it's more properly written than poorly written, because you witness stupid crap done every day.

There's almost no such thing as "poorly written" anymore for you can turn around see something you thought was absolutely unheard of, and boom...there it is before your eyes.

Maybe that 's why this doesn't bother me much anymore, like it did in the very beginning because it felt a little realistic where Donnie was concerned.

He's never had any interaction with anyone other than his brothers and Splinter. Season 1 he came across as extremely awkward. To me, it's like a child who's been homeschooled all his/her life, and didn't have much interaction with those outside of that environment and then learning how to when finally out in the "real world", like a friend of mind. This is how I view Donnie.

Also, it's still natural to try to get the attention of the person you like by trying to impress him/her or trying to get to know him/her, which is also realistic, which Donnie is doing. It's almost instinctive, isn't it?

For me, though, the only time I was semi-bothered by this was in the Ho Chan ep because both Donnie and Casey came across as extremely out of character to me in the beginning and when fighting against the Purple Dragons in the museum, because we'd seen both fighting enemies together with April around before and how it didn't jeopardize the mission or task over it.

So that 's why I feel people are a bit nitpicky with the romance stuff. Not like you can really do anything about it until either April tells both to back off, admits to liking one of them, or have something happen at the end of the series, but until then, why complain over a romance subplot anyway?

I guess, for me, actual plot points that actually affect the overall story is more important to be critical of, like this recent ep with April's mother raising more questions than answers. The fact that the Kraang have been messing with the O'Neil family for years makes season 1's pursuit of Kirby and other scientists pointless, right?

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Bitsy83

Hey, the old show(s) had just as many flaws as this one, if not more. Let's just focus on how Turtles makes us FEEL instead of what we should or shouldn't be seeing, ok?

Siiiiiiigh.....

The recent episodes have made me FEEL bored and annoyed. Am I not allowed to say anything about it on this discussion forum?

Jesus Christ. I didn't even hate the episode at all! This whole 'Don't ruin the fluffy puppies and butterflies fantasy world with your opinions' business is bugging me though.

[snake]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

Except in the big foot episode where it was half of the episode and accomplished nothing?

Come on guys. It's starting to come off to me like 'Hey! Love it or Leave it pal!'

Disregard my opinion. It's sh*t. I read some of the other stuff in the thread. I really read into it and watched the episode over. When you pay attention, the problems really do come out.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

People wouldn't be complaining as much if it was written well....but it isn't...so it's annoying to watch it.....it's annoying to be reminded every episode it exists and it's annoying to have full episodes dedicated to it.

What would seriously take make this thing well written other then not having be constantly beating with nerf bat saying "LOOK AT DIS! THEY SO IN WUV! DONNIEXAPRIL 4 EVEEEER!"

[snake]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

What would seriously take make this thing well written other then not having be constantly beating with nerf bat saying "LOOK AT DIS! THEY SO IN WUV! DONNIEXAPRIL 4 EVEEEER!"

Maybe having a realistic portrayal of a realationship?

[JTH]

Originally Posted by LR19

I agree with your earlier point about the awkward teenage romance aspect not being poorly written (I think the writing on it is fine, people just don't like it, which is also fine - I myself am tired of it), but totally disagree with the last part. Bad writing exists in the face of anything. Bad writing absolutely exists.

As a lurker who's finally popped up on this forum, I agree that it tends to lean on the negative side here lately. That said, I can't begrudge people not liking what they don't like and getting the chance to express that just as freely as those who do like it. Someone earlier posted that they liked the episode and has been all but ignored while the thread has opted to once again debate differences in taste. Just sayin'

...ugh, hi, I'm new and I apparently butt in on conversations. /back to the sewer to lurk

That's why I said "almost"

It's still out there, but very rarely can we as a viewer watch something and go "No one would ever do that! That's beyond stupid!"

Turn around, you'll end up seeing it.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

Siiiiiiigh.....

The recent episodes have made me FEEL bored and annoyed. Am I not allowed to say anything about it on this discussion forum?

Jesus Christ. I didn't even hate the episode at all! This whole 'Don't ruin the fluffy puppies and butterflies fantasy world with your opinions' business is bugging me though.

Of course you are allowed to, but in a way, seeing the same complaints over and over again does get a bit tiresome at times, especially over stuff you have no control over.

Also, I don't think I can recall a show that's made me feel annoyed, bored yeah, annoyed, no...'cept for Digimon Adventure 02's dub which caused me to just stop watching it and sticking to the Japanese version.