New Show coming in 2018

[eskater]

Originally Posted by Powder

Your obsession with him is sad and weird. Put some energy into posting about things you do like, it's much better for you. We need more Cybercubeds in this fandom, & less naysayers who speak without offering any insight.



You haven't the slightest clue. Their involvement with the property goes back 6 years, & they've put a lot of work into both the last & current versions. I have met Andy in person a few years back, we spoke for half an hour or longer, the guy is very much into and proud of what he does. & he's a hard worker, doing animated shorts, his own comic series at IDW, & now an entire TMNT cartoon, all at once, in addition to being a father of two kids. That warrants respect, in my book. He pitched his own show years before it was even a realistic possibility, I'll have you know. You're more than entitled to dislike what he chooses to do with the TMNT, but don't act like he doesn't care just because it doesn't align with your ideals. You don't exactly get rich doing this stuff either, bruh.


That's because for the most part this forum has an entirely different caliber of fan on it. We're lifers. People who largely find joy in every iteration, barring one or two exceptions apiece. & I don't mean fanboys with no standards who accept anything, I mean fans who generally don't have biases toward "their" version, & understand that the core values of what makes TMNT TMNT is virtually omnipresent. They're only ever mad when New Thing isn't a carbon copy of Old Thing.

Cubed worded it perfectly.



We've always been on the same page about this, it's so frustrating. Genwunners are definitely similar to the FW-only crowd, though our nostalgia-blind sector is far greater than theirs & as a result has a more significant impact on the brand, unfortunately. I don't know any other fandoms like them.

What ticks me off about the general backlash to their new look is that it comes from the same people who licked the boot of Platinum Dunes & similar fan interpretations who went with the whole "their personality should come across visually" thing. How they could possibly like those designs but not Rise's, which heavily evoke the thought of the former, is beyond me.

Powder brought the noise I agree though man. I am pretty irked as well that the same people who loved the PD Bay Turtles were so quick to hate on RiseTMNT, hate trends can be very annoying

[Vegita-San]

More cybercubeds... be careful what you wish for. you may end up regretting it.


re hate trends. SMH.

Saying stuff like that just seems so childish.

Some people just are TIRED of reboots. as each progressive one seems to get worse and worse and worse.

Look at 2K12. this is the THIRD time we've had someone do a take on rebooting mirage material. The fourth Time we've seen a turtle crashing through a window after getting beaten up by shredder.

It's also the third time We've seen fred wolf call backs.

And except for a few things that feel like they where done right, most where done better elsewhere.

there has to be a way to re invent something that FEELS new, without totally going off the rails.. it's a very hard line to walk. ESPECIALLY after so many reboots.

I mean, look at IDW. We've got a return of the Rat King..but we've also got three new characters to go with him in the form of immortal gods. We've got Angel, but she's now a robo cop like super hero. We've got Harold. We've got koya and bludgeon. We've got Bishop working with Darkwater. We've got Splinter leading the friggen foot clan.

It's a nice mix of old and new direction, without changing anything DRASTICALLY from what we've known.

But eventually, Reboot Fever WILL bottom out. You can only re invent something SO MANY TIMES before you can't do anything new without drastically changing it.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Donaterro

One thing I'm noticing, is a lot of you are either neutral or positive on these designs. If you look at the internet on the whole, its 90 percent negative.

I guess, it is because, no matter some purists, most people here aware of various incarnations of turtles throughout the years, from Fred Wolf to Anime to Power Rangeresque parody to Platinum Dunes. Not to mention comic books.
People here have no choice, but to accept different versions of TMNT, which allows them to tolerate and appreciate other versions. Which I find to be a rather positive thing about this fandom.

Most people "outside", know only 1 or 2 versions of TMNT and for them it's the only way possible this characters can exist.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

there has to be a way to re invent something that FEELS new, without totally going off the rails.. it's a very hard line to walk. ESPECIALLY after so many reboots.

I mean, look at IDW. We've got a return of the Rat King..but we've also got three new characters to go with him in the form of immortal gods. We've got Angel, but she's now a robo cop like super hero. We've got Harold. We've got koya and bludgeon. We've got Bishop working with Darkwater. We've got Splinter leading the friggen foot clan.

It's a nice mix of old and new direction, without changing anything DRASTICALLY from what we've known.

I can agree with this.
No matter what some people might say about creators of the series pouring their hearts into new version, their main motivator is to keep it profitable.
IDW is a sort of niche product, like all comic books nowadays, they don't need to be marketed towards large audience, which allows them to experiment. Sadly, the more popular thing - the more rigid set of rules it should follow to stay popular. At least in the eyes of producers who pay money.

[The Purple Dragon]

I must say i dont like the art work at all.it looks like its made fore toddelrs.
I will se IT and give IT a fair chance but i will not be AS exceting AS i was with 2012 show.at this point i wish they do make a adult series.and i woued love to see the 2001 art some time its a shame they did not USE IT and go with the 2003 style instead,
I think the 2001 art woued have fitted the 03 show a lot better.

[eskater]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I guess, it is because, no matter some purists, most people here aware of various incarnations of turtles throughout the years, from Fred Wolf to Anime to Power Rangeresque parody to Platinum Dunes. Not to mention comic books.
People here have no choice, but to accept different versions of TMNT, which allows them to tolerate and appreciate other versions. Which I find to be a rather positive thing about this fandom.

Most people "outside", know only 1 or 2 versions of TMNT and for them it's the only way possible this characters can exist.


I can agree with this.
No matter what some people might say about creators of the series pouring their hearts into new version, their main motivator is to keep it profitable.
IDW is a sort of niche product, like all comic books nowadays, they don't need to be marketed towards large audience, which allows them to experiment. Sadly, the more popular thing - the more rigid set of rules it should follow to stay popular. At least in the eyes of producers who pay money.

So much truth in this

[Candy Kappa]

I see quite a bit of fan art of Rise already, and that's pretty amazing.

[eskater]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I see quite a bit of fan art of Rise already, and that's pretty amazing.

Some of it is pretty good too

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I see quite a bit of fan art of Rise already, and that's pretty amazing.

i'm still more amazed that so much of the internet seems to HATE this..even more than the PD designs. I wonder why this time around?

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Leonardo_thebest

Any chance this is a long play to steal John from Dragonfly?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

Some people just are TIRED of reboots. as each progressive one seems to get worse and worse and worse.

Look at 2K12. this is the THIRD time we've had someone do a take on rebooting mirage material. The fourth Time we've seen a turtle crashing through a window after getting beaten up by shredder. .

What on god's earth are you talking about? Of course they're going to be reboots, that's the whole point of a new series. You almost seem like you're bothered that there's new series, what else should there be...nothing? DC and Marvel superheroes are rebooted constantly, why should TMNT be any different? Aren't we on the 9th Spiderman cartoon, the 3rd Spiderman movie reboot, and endless new comics?

The whole IDW comic series is nothing more than a reboot of everything from Mirage/4kids/Fred Wolf/Archie, etc. all thrown in a giant blender and mixed together with some new stuff. It works well of course and is very good, but also most of their major storylines are adaptions of old material with some new takes.

[newfan]

I suppose I can see why some long term fans are bored by the time they saw a turtle be thrown through a window after being beaten up for the 4th time, For me, I hadn't seen all that so I got the 'my god, poor Leo' effect

That being said, with new people coming on board all the time and older fans starting to miss it after a few years retelling the story just with slight differences would work. The difference with this new show is that there was no gap so that changes it a bit, so either what they have done with a slightly changed origin/mystical world etc or they would have to have done some 'later on' or different dimension story.

[eskater]

The reboot fatigue can be real, it's always being brought up with the Spiderman franchise...Batman too to some extent as well.

[newfan]

Originally Posted by eskater

The reboot fatigue can be real, it's always being brought up with the Spiderman franchise...Batman too to some extent as well.

To be fair the Spideman franchise did do their recent ones quite close together ...and then new batman, I liked the Nolan Movies, they showed 'how' he did his training which wasn't addressed so much in the previous movies. (that I remember)

[eskater]

Originally Posted by newfan

To be fair the Spideman franchise did do their recent ones quite close together ...and then new batman, I liked the Nolan Movies, they showed 'how' he did his training which wasn't addressed so much in the previous movies. (that I remember)

Generally I think the sentiment is that if they want to do reboots they should stagger them every couple of years. With the last Spiderman movie they did it right by not dragging out the Uncle Ben arc, they added something fresh. Now did they do that because Spidey is finally in the MCU and maybe it wouldn't have been done otherwise....I'd like to think not. Reboot fatigue like that can hurt any franchise.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by eskater

The reboot fatigue can be real, it's always being brought up with the Spiderman franchise...Batman too to some extent as well.

Truly. I'm much more interested in new stories and continuing the TMNT that way rather than reboots that just want to change the characters fundamentally, their origin, etc just to make it different (such as the direction 'Rise' is going).

If only to one day get a series in the same vein of 2003 (the earlier seasons), with aged up Turtles and their post-Shredder years/adventures. That would be nice. Why is that so hard...

[newfan]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Truly. I'm much more interested in new stories and continuing the TMNT that way rather than reboots that just want to change the characters fundamentally, their origin, etc just to make it different (such as the direction 'Rise' is going).

If only to one day get a series in the same vein of 2003 (the earlier seasons), with aged up Turtles and their post-Shredder years/adventures. That would be nice. Why is that so hard...

Well the 2007 movie did an after story, I don't see it talked about much on here, is it generally not liked/neutral?

I would have liked to have seen what the 2012's would have been like just a bit older .... but Nick said no The 2003's although just as young did look a little older.

[eskater]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Truly. I'm much more interested in new stories and continuing the TMNT that way rather than reboots that just want to change the characters fundamentally, their origin, etc just to make it different (such as the direction 'Rise' is going).

If only to one day get a series in the same vein of 2003 (the earlier seasons), with aged up Turtles and their post-Shredder years/adventures. That would be nice. Why is that so hard...

Originally Posted by newfan

Well the 2007 movie did an after story, I don't see it talked about much on here, is it generally not liked/neutral?

I would have liked to have seen what the 2012's would have been like just a bit older .... but Nick said no The 2003's although just as young did look a little older.

Honestly...same. I want more in a lot of the iterations of the turtles to be just more. 2003 (pre-fast foward) and the 2007 movie being candidates I'd want to see more stories from. That 2007 movie teased some stuff at the end that never got to be expanded on....kind of a bummer

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by newfan

Well the 2007 movie did an after story, I don't see it talked about much on here, is it generally not liked/neutral?

It's not really hated or liked. It's just there... sort of a strange, Pokemon-meets-a-Playstation-1-FMV kind of thing.

[eskater]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's not really hated or liked. It's just there... sort of a strange, Pokemon-meets-a-Playstation-1-FMV kind of thing.

I think it generally fell off because people didn't like the story for it.

[eskater]

Originally Posted by newfan

Was it ever planned another movie that just never happened?

I haven't gotten through 2k3 yet, I didn't realise the last two seasons had a different time? (thought I 've picked up a bit on the the net that people didn't like the last 2 as much)

Going back to 2018 though, the designs (some) are off-putting but I do remember thinking that before I started watching 2k3, no offense guys, not all of the design I just didn't like the constant white eyes...but...when I watched the first ep or 2 I found it easy to get into and look past the eyes. I have more to get past with the new, but if the story and voice work is good I could see people getting used to it.

I never heard about another movie after the 2007 one...I could be wrong and I'd have to investigate.
The last two seasons of 2k3 were Fast Forward (jumps to the future for a gimmick...really meh) and the cyber thing after that had a slightly different art style....wasn't into that one either.
Definitely agree that if the story and voice work is good then the 2018 iteration could be something the general public will grab onto.