Bebop and Rocksteady from the new Show

[Mondo_Gecko]

Honestly, as long as Bebop & Rocksteady remain a Rhino and a warthog, I could honestly care less what they look or sound like as humans.

CyberCybed, I don't know why you are so adamantly opposed to any change. First Bebop had to be Black, then it's well, Bebop can't be a nickname, now you're upset if Rocksteady is Russian or not? Really? I love the 80s show too, but Bebop & Rocksteady's human forms were always so miniscule, and not defining character traits.

I could understand getting upset if Bebop & Rocksteady were not slapstick or goofy enough and were more serious portrayals but this?

I mean if it's "disturbing" as you call it, why not just watch the 80s cartoon in an infinite loop.

I just don't understand this stubborn resistant attitude to the tiniest of changes.

[rickwj324]

A big Russian Rhino... I'm fine with that. I never really thought of Bebop and Rocksteady as their human forms previously and could care less if they are Caucasian, African, Asian, etc. Same with Baxter. He's been a good character whether African or Caucasian.

[CyberCubed]

Perhaps Rocksteady is a minion of the Russian arms dealer and all of them in that gang wear the same golden bracelets.

I don't see that guy being Rocksteady because Shredder treated him as an equal. If Rocksteady is to be Shredder's minion I can't see how he can go from the leader of a militia group to a petty mutant

[Chaotix12345]

Or maybe...he isn't actually Shredder's minion in this incarnation. I dunno, Bebop and Rocksteady of all people having their own military-esque faction of villains actually sounds pretty neat to me.

[CyberCubed]

You see that's also the problem. Rocksteady and Bebop can't be equals if Rock is a militia Russian leader.

It just doesn't fit. I'm sure they'll work for Shredder as I can't see any point for them otherwise. I think Rocksteady will be much younger like Bebop....this Russian guy looks 50 years old.

[MCLeo28]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Perhaps Rocksteady is a minion of the Russian arms dealer and all of them in that gang wear the same golden bracelets.

I don't see that guy being Rocksteady because Shredder treated him as an equal. If Rocksteady is to be Shredder's minion I can't see how he can go from the leader of a militia group to a petty mutant

That seems a little odd for a minion to hire a thief. Why wouldn't the actual leader do it himself? Who said Rocksteady is going to be a petty mutant? It looks like you're making many assumptions. Many of the mutants shown have been major threats to the turtles esp. during their debut.

I guess we'll have to wait and see. While Steranko is a militia Russian leader, he's implied to be even weaker than a regular Foot Soldier, so him being Bebop's equal doesn't seem ridiculous to me. Mutations are random anyways, so Bebop can get an usually big powerup. We've seen many people esp. middle-aged men such as Vic who got mutated and managed to nearly destroy the turtles.

[TigerClaw]

Given how the Nick series takes some liberties on character origins, I wouldn't be surprise if that's what turns out to be Rocksteady.

You know how some characters on the show are In Name Only and are nothing like the originals.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The point is that guy spoke with a Russian accent and I don't want Rocksteady speaking like that.

Why though? Assuming that you are serious here, and I'm not having a go at you either way - what is it about Rocksteady potentially having a Russian accent that bothers you? It's not like Rocksteady in the FW cartoon was ever particularly well-fleshed out, so it's hard to view it as character sabotage, from my perspective.

[ShreddHedd]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I find it funny you guys are so quick to assume this elderly Russian General is Rocksteady. First of all the show reuses CG assets like crazy .

They reused Bradford's armor as Chrome Dome for goodness sakes. They had Spiderbitez human form in the background of the Pizzaface episode. They reused Ick's cat model as a stray alley cat in a different episode.

There is no way this guy is Rocksteady. I severely doubt they want Rocksteady to speak in a Russian accent.

I think you've named the only character re-uses in the show. And they were all for background purposes. I'm like 99.9999965% sure that Steranko is going to be Rocksteady. The resemblance is uncanny, the shoulder plates, and the knuckles are dead giveaways. Why would a whole crew have the exact same accessories? Look at Shredder and Karai, similar garb, but not exactly the same. On top of that, Ciro's team tends to introduce character's early on and then use them later for bigger roles. Look at how Timmy became Mutagen Man. Steranko would be perfect in this case.

I severely doubt you know exactly what their team would or wouldn't do. These guys push a lot of boundaries and break conventions in fun ways.

[Coola Yagami]

Now that you mention it... Rocksteady does look kinda old... Crap. I'm beginning to think you guys are right. Maybe that theif guy will be Bebop. Especially if he's thin like that.

[CyberCubed]

Because his character and role doesn't fit Rocksteady. Why would the leader of a Russian arms dealer become a rhino mutant and go off on his own or teamed up with Bebop?

In the episode the General was as tall as Shredder was, yet I doubt Rocksteady will be that big, (If Rocksteady was that big he'd be Slash's size, and I doubt that).

Likewise Shredder and the Russian General viewed each other as equal business partners. To go from that to become a lackey like Fishface would be absurd. And yeah, I do think Bebop/Rocksteady will work for Shredder in either case.

Next, look at the big deal they're making out of Bebop's debut in the next episode. He's literally the main point of the episode (he steals Shredder's helmet), and they're introducing him as a big character. This Russian General got what...less than 5 minutes of screentime where he did virtually nothing because he was immediately knocked out by the Turtles? And since that episode he never returned or got another cameo since. Making him seem minor or low-key.

Since Bebop is getting an entire episode, I imagine Rocksteady's human form would get one too.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Because his character and role doesn't fit Rocksteady. Why would the leader of a Russian arms dealer become a rhino mutant and go off on his own or teamed up with Bebop?

Why would a thief become a pig mutant? B & R were always pretty one-dimensional characters - why get upset over a reimagining in the new show?

Next, look at the big deal they're making out of Bebop's debut in the next episode. He's literally the main point of the episode (he steals Shredder's helmet), and they're introducing him as a big character. This Russian General got what...less than 5 minutes of screentime where he did virtually nothing because he was immediately knocked out by the Turtles? And since that episode he never returned or got another cameo since. Making him seem minor or low-key.

Since Bebop is getting an entire episode, I imagine Rocksteady's human form would get one too.

There's nothing to say that the Russian General couldn't get another episode to himself. Just because he only has five minutes in one episode doesn't mean they can't bring him back for more screentime and a bigger piece of the (pizza) pie later.

[CyberCubed]

The point is Bebop is still a thief or average guy. He doesn't seem to be in charge of a huge organization. He actually reminds me a lot of Xever.

[MikeandRaph87]

Did someone mention a Russian Rhino? Rocksteady may have some influence from another evil Rhino in this incarnation.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Because his character and role doesn't fit Rocksteady. Why would the leader of a Russian arms dealer become a rhino mutant and go off on his own or teamed up with Bebop?

In the episode the General was as tall as Shredder was, yet I doubt Rocksteady will be that big, (If Rocksteady was that big he'd be Slash's size, and I doubt that).

Likewise Shredder and the Russian General viewed each other as equal business partners. To go from that to become a lackey like Fishface would be absurd. And yeah, I do think Bebop/Rocksteady will work for Shredder in either case.

Next, look at the big deal they're making out of Bebop's debut in the next episode. He's literally the main point of the episode (he steals Shredder's helmet), and they're introducing him as a big character. This Russian General got what...less than 5 minutes of screentime where he did virtually nothing because he was immediately knocked out by the Turtles? And since that episode he never returned or got another cameo since. Making him seem minor or low-key.

Since Bebop is getting an entire episode, I imagine Rocksteady's human form would get one too.

Unless of course the general hires bebop and has this episode to himself. Who says they're gonna work for shredder anyways.

Not only that but after turning into animals the general and thief may have nowhere to go and shredder can take advantage of that.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The point is Bebop is still a thief or average guy. He doesn't seem to be in charge of a huge organization. He actually reminds me a lot of Xever.

We don't know what could happen though - just because he was in charge of an organization when we first met him, doesn't mean that can't change prior to his mutation. He could have a deal go sour on him, one of his partners could stab him in the back and he could lose his status... heaps of things could change.

[CyberCubed]

It's not the human design of the general that bothers me, its mainly that I don't like the idea of Rocksteady speaking with a strong Russian accent. Its not like the mutation will suddenly change his accent to New Yorker speech.

It's like how Xever still kept his Brazillian accent after becoming Fishface, and that's fine for him because he's a new character and that's how he was created.

But I want Rocksteady to be a normal white guy, just like I'm so greatful Bebop is still a black dude with shades. I loved the fact that Bebop and Rocksteady were friends in the original toon, they were both part of a gang and one was white and one was black. It was great racial diversity.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Because his character and role doesn't fit Rocksteady. Why would the leader of a Russian arms dealer become a rhino mutant and go off on his own or teamed up with Bebop?

In the episode the General was as tall as Shredder was, yet I doubt Rocksteady will be that big, (If Rocksteady was that big he'd be Slash's size, and I doubt that).

Likewise Shredder and the Russian General viewed each other as equal business partners. To go from that to become a lackey like Fishface would be absurd. And yeah, I do think Bebop/Rocksteady will work for Shredder in either case.

Next, look at the big deal they're making out of Bebop's debut in the next episode. He's literally the main point of the episode (he steals Shredder's helmet), and they're introducing him as a big character. This Russian General got what...less than 5 minutes of screentime where he did virtually nothing because he was immediately knocked out by the Turtles? And since that episode he never returned or got another cameo since. Making him seem minor or low-key.

Since Bebop is getting an entire episode, I imagine Rocksteady's human form would get one too.

Hm, maybe instead theorizing on why he can't become Rocksteady, why not speculate on the possibility if what could happen if he is and how his status will obviously drop after becoming a mutant.

No one here is really saying he WILL be Rocksteady, but that there's that possibility.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It's not the human design of the general that bothers me, its mainly that I don't like the idea of Rocksteady speaking with a strong Russian accent. Its not like the mutation will suddenly change his accent to New Yorker speech.

It's like how Xever still kept his Brazillian accent after becoming Fishface, and that's fine for him because he's a new character and that's how he was created.

But I want Rocksteady to be a normal white guy, just like I'm so greatful Bebop is still a black dude with shades. I loved the fact that Bebop and Rocksteady were friends in the original toon, they were both part of a gang and one was white and one was black. It was great racial diversity.

Have we seen pics of human bebop to confirm this or are you just assuming things. For all we know the guy can have a Jamaican accent. I'm also surprised you're not complaining that bebop is now a master thief which is as far away as an incompetent street thug can get.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Have we seen pics of human bebop to confirm this or are you just assuming things. For all we know the guy can have a Jamaican accent.

Bebop's clip is in the official info thread, we see his design and hear his voice. He sounds like a typical New York black guy. I love it.