Black April

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Pure Irish aren't all redheads, as the trait is recessive, and requires an individual to be homozygous for it to express phenotypically.

Nor is everyone with the last name O'Neil necessarily Irish, or of Irish ancestry.
Especially in America.

This lol.

I've been to Ireland. Most Irish people have black or brown hair... which makes sense since, you know, dominant genes. Also light hair tends to darken with age. Notice how many people were blonde as kids/teenagers and then their hair became brown?

Maybe Shaquille O'Neil has a distant Irish ancestor, but ofc, someone with a last name with origins in a certain country doesn't necessarily mean they're from said country.

Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja

You'll have to forgive some people here who struggle with social skills/cues/issues. But other people here who should know better are being really weird about the possibility of a black April; I feel like they're about to start throwing around terms like "mulatto" and "quadroon" and giving paper bag tests.

What's wrong with the term mulatto? In my country that's what we call a half white/half black person(mulato in Portuguese). Is the term offensive in the English language or something?

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

But nobody knew that back in 1987 but some hardcore comic fans.

I was 3 years old when the show came out, I had no idea Baxter was supposed to be black.

Exactly, it wasn't common knowledge. I don't think I was even aware Baxter was originally black until the 2003 cartoon series.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Prowler

What's wrong with the term mulatto? In my country that's what we call a half white/half black person(mulato in Portuguese). Is the term offensive in the English language or something?

In American English, or at least the parts of American English I'm to, it's an outdated term that borders on offensive.

To my knowledge, bi-racial is the replacement.

[CyberCubed]

Funny that this thread is from 2014. Who would have thought only 4 years later in the year 2018 there would actually be a black April in canon?

I guess this is one of those times where truth is stranger than fiction.

[Sighphi]

Originally Posted by Jester

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....14,317_AL_.jpg

that O'neal, not O'neil.

[sdp]

After these news I researched more about Black April and from what I can gather it's only a myth, she was definitely meant to be more latina if anything but it sure seems like she was meant to always be white.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Funny that this thread is from 2014. Who would have thought only 4 years later in the year 2018 there would actually be a black April in canon?

I guess this is one of those times where truth is stranger than fiction.

Yeah your post in the first page was that people weren't ready but what people weren't ready for was Raph/Leo changing roles.

Originally Posted by Prowler

What's wrong with the term mulatto? In my country that's what we call a half white/half black person(mulato in Portuguese). Is the term offensive in the English language or something?

There's nothing wrong, it's used in my country as well. Americans in general inadvertently impose their culture onto others thinking the whole world applies by the same rules they may come up with. I see this a lot on debates where people from around the world get to participate. I guess it's part of their culture to do such things

[Leolead]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It’s going to feel odd for April to be marketed as black in a kids show for the first time.

Young Kids are going to grow up with this show, knowing April the way she'll be portrayed in this show. Don't think it'll be that big of a deal.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Leolead

Young Kids are going to grow up with this show, knowing April the way she'll be portrayed in this show. Don't think it'll be that big of a deal.

It's coming out way too soon after the end of the current Nick cartoon though. It's not like there's a huge gap between shows like when the original cartoon ended to the 2k3 one, or the 2k3 ending to the Nick one.

This new show is literally starting next year.

[ProphetofGanja]

Originally Posted by sdp

There's nothing wrong, it's used in my country as well. Americans in general inadvertently impose their culture onto others thinking the whole world applies by the same rules they may come up with. I see this a lot on debates where people from around the world get to participate. I guess it's part of their culture to do such things

It's different here because there's a lot more history behind it and you're being naive if you say otherwise. It's what we call a "charged word", with a lot of baggage attached to it. There's nothing inherently offensive about the word itself but it's picked up a negative connotation because of how it was used, and now as far as it's usage in English goes it's a dated word as well. Yes we all know "negro" is the Spanish word for black but if you go around here in America calling people "negro" or "mulatto" I know people who will stomp you into the dirt, and as we're speaking about a cultural phenomenon that originates here in America, that's why I say that. But feel free to visit America and throw words like that around if you want.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Sighphi

that O'neal, not O'neil.

Yeah, I realized that after I posted it...but still.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by sdp

Can you imagine if the internet was around back then?

The anachronistic technodrome forums in 1986 would have a 30+ page thread with the title "They're making Baxter Stockman WHITE in the upcoming animated adaptation!".

I am SO glad that we didn't have Internet back in the 80-s.

[Prowler]

Well this is an interesting twist of events. April first was made a teenager in the Nick series, now in the upcoming cartoon she'll be black? What are they gonna do with her in future series then? make her Asian? Make her lesbian?

Originally Posted by sdp

After these news I researched more about Black April and from what I can gather it's only a myth, she was definitely meant to be more latina if anything but it sure seems like she was meant to always be white.



Yeah your post in the first page was that people weren't ready but what people weren't ready for was Raph/Leo changing roles.



There's nothing wrong, it's used in my country as well. Americans in general inadvertently impose their culture onto others thinking the whole world applies by the same rules they may come up with. I see this a lot on debates where people from around the world get to participate. I guess it's part of their culture to do such things

Well I guess words can have different meanings in different countries and languages.

Originally Posted by ProphetofGanja

It's different here because there's a lot more history behind it and you're being naive if you say otherwise. It's what we call a "charged word", with a lot of baggage attached to it. There's nothing inherently offensive about the word itself but it's picked up a negative connotation because of how it was used, and now as far as it's usage in English goes it's a dated word as well. Yes we all know "negro" is the Spanish word for black but if you go around here in America calling people "negro" or "mulatto" I know people who will stomp you into the dirt, and as we're speaking about a cultural phenomenon that originates here in America, that's why I say that. But feel free to visit America and throw words like that around if you want.

sdp is from Mexico. I'm sure his country also has some sort of racial past. Most countries in the Americas do.

I wonder how mulatto became an offensive word in USA.

What about calling a mixed White and Amerindian person "mestiço/mestizo"? Is that also a no no in USA?

[plastroncafe]

Again, it's my understanding that folks with a multi ethnic background prefer the terms biracial or multiracial or multiethnic.

Mileage varies, And the people who make those decisions really ought to be the people most directly affected by them.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Prowler

I wonder how mulatto became an offensive word in USA.

Is it? I've never heard that referred to as an offensive word, ever.

[neatoman]

I'm just gonna post these.

Spoiler:

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Again, it's my understanding that folks with a multi ethnic background prefer the terms biracial or multiracial or multiethnic.

Mileage varies, And the people who make those decisions really ought to be the people most directly affected by them.

Ah well I never heard anyone use those terms in real life. Maybe it's something more common in the English language.

Reminds me of the gender and sex issue. Here they're both used interchangeably pretty much. As in, you fill out a form and they ask for your sex/gender. Sometimes one word is used and sometimes it's the other that's used. And a Polish guy once told me that's kind of like the same thing in Polish. Language barrier can lead to such misunderstandings I guess.

Anyway, European nations don't ask for a person's race in forms. At least most don't. Some don't even ask for a person's religion in the census, like France for example.

Tbh, now that I think about it, from the top of my head, the only nations who ask for a person's "race" on their census are USA and Brazil. But there's probably more.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Is it? I've never heard that referred to as an offensive word, ever.

Well, prophetofganja and plastroncafe told us they're not very advisable terms to use, so...

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if she'll have curly black hair or be more of a mix.

[Papenbrook]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I'm just gonna post these.

Spoiler:

https://pre00.deviantart.net/8303/th...dy-d7vwd2w.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/31...d1a3da39c4.jpg

I miss BabyTurtles.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I wonder if she'll have curly black hair or be more of a mix.

If you don't like her hairdo is this gonna be your new "turtle nostrils" type of gripe?

[CyberCubed]

I just wonder what her design will be like. Ambiguous, mixed, or just black?