Metroid Prime 2: Echoes

[Jonatello]

I'm still playing the original Metroid Prime

[ThirdMarioBro]

Originally Posted by King Kahn

i have played the game and i guess i just didnt like it. i guess i must be the only one but oh well. i am gonna sell it back tommorrow i think. i=one of the things i didnt like was the lack of dual analog sticks. so looking around is really anoying compared to other first person shooters. prince of persia rocks though

It's not a first person shooter, and it's not Halo. Halo has dual because there's no lock-on, and because of the multiplayer. Metroid is about the single player experience where you need to concentrate on single enemies using the lock on. It's like Zelda except with a gun and a first person perspective. Halo is a team based shooter which has a focus on the combat, and requires dual analog to look as you shoot. Metroid's single player dosen't need this. It's not about that. It's an adventure where you see the game from the hero's perspective, and concentrate on exploration. Halo is a First Person Shooter where you see the game from the hero's perspective, and concentate on combat. That is where the similarity ends. They are two seperate things entirely.


Comparing MP2 to Halo is like comparing Super Metroid to Contra. Yeah, you have a gun in both, but in Contra, all you do is shoot. In Super Metroid, you explore. Combat is secondary in Metroid, unlike COntra.....and unlike Halo where it's the focus. That's why Metroid Prime 2 and Halo don't share controller schemes, because neither game could work with the opposite scheme (or controller). I rest my case.

[愛]

Very badass response, TMB. Most of the time, I don't even bother shooting the enemies. I think I've watched too many speed runs of the original Metroid Prime...

[ThirdMarioBro]

Those speed runs are nuts...purly nuts. I don't know how they do it.

[MW8979]

I believe speed runs are all fake and are done using a million save states. There's no way a human can play such a perfect game. That being said, they're incredibly entertaining to watch, just because it looks cool. Timed games on the other hand I think are really done by people without cheating.

[ThirdMarioBro]

You can't save state on a Gamecube. Or any modern console for that matter.

[愛]

Originally Posted by MW8979

I believe speed runs are all fake and are done using a million save states. There's no way a human can play such a perfect game. That being said, they're incredibly entertaining to watch, just because it looks cool. Timed games on the other hand I think are really done by people without cheating.

And that sounds like ignorance to me. Maybe NES and SNES games that's possible, but you can't do that with more modern consoles, like TMB said. And now speed running has become a more common thing, and they are actually running the game without save state. They used to do that before, but not anymore.

[MW8979]

I was obviously referring to the NES and SNES games. They do mostly save state there, because you can't beat any game without getting hit once, as some of those videos show. I believe the site with all those movies distinctly says so too. Of course, you can't do that for the new systems, because they don't work in the same manner.

[愛]

Look around here, you'll see differently.

[MW8979]

Alright, no problem. So if speed runs are legit, timed games are the ones where they cheat then?

[愛]

I didn't even know there was a difference. Timed runs and speed runs sound the same in common goal. Either way, if they used emulators, they'd say so in the description.

Back on topic: I just got the dark suit, after my stupid mistake and royally f*cking up that worm. I'm about 20% into the game. I really am enjoying this game, and will probably play it a few times in a row before putting it back on my shelf.

[Kid Icarus]

You too the words right outta my mouth TMB. I actually got in an argument with someone over Halo vs. MP. When he started in on EA being one of the best studios around, I should have just blocked him from my list, but it was funny reading about how Halo's so much harder them MP. Then I suggested he do a low percent run, without using any continues. That shut him up pretty quickly.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Alison Chains

The Grapple Gaurdian almost kicked my ass 'till I realized what I was doing wrong

All the bosses were like that in Prime. Everybody beat the everlovin' sh*t outta you until a lightbulb went off and you realized what to do. The exception would be Meta-Ridley....It's kinda hard not to know how to bean him with missles every five seconds.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

All the bosses were like that in Prime. Everybody beat the everlovin' sh*t outta you until a lightbulb went off and you realized what to do.

Those are my favorite kind of bosses. You feel like you accomplished something when you destroy them.

[Kid Icarus]

I was just happy I didn't break my Gamecube when I had to face Meta-Ridly the first time. He still gives me problems every time I play the game.

[愛]

Well, I'm watching the speed run of Echoes, and I realized that I'm the worst Metroid player EVER. I've missed so much. Wow, I'm an idiot.

[Kid Icarus]

No, I am. I've had to use a guide on Super Metroid for about 80% of what I've played.

[愛]

I finally got Super Metroid down in my head. I can get 100% in...an hour and a half, I think. That's on a good day, though.

[Kid Icarus]

O_O

You suck Ai, you really do.

[Barkworm]

There's probably no game I suck at as much as Metroid Prime. The only thing I did in the game was to search for items, my brother had to beat all the bosses...