Sonic X is Coming Back. - Page 2

**ThirdMarioBro** · 01-03-2005, 08:59 AM

I'd galdly take fewer episodes if more of them were animated like episodes 1, 9, 26, 36, ect. Those were godly.

*Anarchistguy* · 01-05-2005, 10:29 AM

This is my opinion on Sonic X. I hope it's okay if I post it here:

Okay...my ratings are based on the Japanese and French versions:

Episodes 1-13: 10
Episodes 14-26:6
Episodes 27-32:8
Episodes 33-38:7
Episodes 39-52:2

Overall, this anime was so-so.

This series had so much potential, and they didn't use it...WHY???!!!

Way too many stand-alone episodes (the term "filler" sounds to trashy for me), the animation got REALLY crappy after episode 13 (Except eps.20-26-32-38-44-52) I mean not even half of the episodes had decent animation. There wasn't enough action, the fights were over before they even started. I was expecting the action to be on par with The Sonic OVA and Sonic CD cutscenes where Sonic was SOOOO agile, and I got utterly disappointed.

And did any of you notice that the series had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what the promotion and pilot movie advertised? And Yuji Naka also said the anime would stay away from the games. YEAH, RIGHT!!!

And let's not forget about the show's BIGGEST flaw: the humans characters, namely CHRIS THORNDYKE (sp?). He hogged nearly all the spotlight: he stole Tails' role as Sonic's best friend, Amy's role in the SA2 adaptation. In short, he was selfish as all hell!!! It would've been better off if Sonic fell in the pool and Chris came and got him out and once he got him out Sonic would run off to find his friends and live in Station Square on his own with Tails. Then the anime would be a bit better.

But the anime had some good moments, like the first 13 episodes (back when the story was actually going somewhere), hearing Bokkun's laugh when the messages he sent exploded in someones face, the Super Sonic episodes, the EXCELLENT music and it was great to see another Sonic cartoon and all the characters make an animated appearance.

I suppose the only reason why I really watched it is because of the name "Sonic" branded on the title. -sigh-

*DrSpengler* · 01-05-2005, 11:30 AM

The series was by no means perfect, but IMO it's easily the best Sonic cartoon ever made.

I don't think I've seen a single episode of the American version (heard it got editted to hell, though), so my opinion is based solely off the Japanese version.

I'm not a big anime fan, that much is true. I HATE anime humour. You know, giant sweat-drops, characters "face-faulting" all the time, stupid sh*t like that. That's my major complaint about Sonic X, the annoying anime humour. But it IS a kid's show, a Japanese kid's show, no less. So that much is expected.

Many of the stand-alone episodes were either boring and/or stupid. But there were just as many good ones. My favorites are the homage to Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner (the one where Sonic can't stop running) and the Chaotix episode. But whenever they did a big arc or a game adaptation it was well worth it.

My favorite part of the show, though, was the voice-acting. PERFECT! Sonic's constant use of random English was annoying at first (pronounciation...horrible) but quickly became a funn character trait. I tink my favorite voice was Dr. Robotnik's, though (f*ck Eggman, he's Robotnik to me). He sorta sounded like Aku from Samurai Jack only a lot goofier.

The animation from TMS Studios was both good and bad. It HATE it when animation quality fluxuates in a cartoon. It's really distracting. Sonic X did that quite a bit. It's like they saved the most money for the big important episode arcs and did a budget job on all the stand alone episodes. The recycled animation didn't help. Felt like I was watching Sailor Moon or one of the more recent Japanese Transformers cartoons. Yuck.

All in all, it was funny (when it wanted to be), well-animated (when it wanted to be), had an engaging story and the voice acting was superb. I rank it as the best Sonic cartoon to date, perhaps tied with the OVA episodes.

*Anarchistguy* · 01-05-2005, 02:41 PM

I also hate it when the animation fluxuates in a cartoon. I watch cartoons mostly on a technical level.

DrSpengler, I don't remember seeing any recycled animation in Sonic X. Could you give me an example?

*DrSpengler* · 01-05-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Anarchistguy

I also hate it when the animation fluxuates in a cartoon. I watch cartoons mostly on a technical level.

DrSpengler, I don't remember seeing any recycled animation in Sonic X. Could you give me an example?

Whenever he gets the power ring and turns into a ball. He did that a lot. There were other moments I noticed, I'll have to rewatch some episodes to remember them. But pretty much whenever the background gets all blurry and the main character's charging or something, they recycle those all the time. They do it a lot in the new TMNT, I've noticed.

I also watch cartoons on a "technical level" (that's a good way to put it). I always look out for frame-rate and detail and just overall quality.

It's weird, when I was a kid I never noticed bad animation. Fantasia looked just as good as Rocky and Bullwinkle to me. I didn't care.

Now animation quality is all I notice, and it impresses me.

For instance, I watched the three Megaman OVAs (released in Japan back in the early 90's) last night. After nothing but terrible to mediocre efforts with Megaman in the animation world, I was nothing short of impressed with the show.

Though it certainly was..."different", it was hands down the most faithful adaptation of Megaman ever. NT Warrior is based of games I don't play, the mid 90's series had some great voice acting but everything else sucked hard, and Captain N was...well, Captain N.

The DVD got released on Tuesday, BTW. It's called "Megaman: Wishing Upon a Star". It's obvious edutainment, but the animation makes up for it. Plus they brought back Scott McNeil as Dr. Wily (one of the only good things about the mid 90's series). Sweet.

*Anarchistguy* · 01-05-2005, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

For instance, I watched the three Megaman OVAs (released in Japan back in the early 90's) last night. After nothing but terrible to mediocre efforts with Megaman in the animation world, I was nothing short of impressed with the show.

Though it certainly was..."different", it was hands down the most faithful adaptation of Megaman ever. NT Warrior is based of games I don't play, the mid 90's series had some great voice acting but everything else sucked hard, and Captain N was...well, Captain N.

One thing I found funny about the 90s Mega Man cartoon: the intro was just beautiful (visually speaking). The animation was EXTREMELY detailed and the level of violence was INSANE (Robot masters blew up on walls, getting burnt to a crisp, destruction on a HIGH scale, etc...) . But the show itself just sucked.

*DrSpengler* · 01-05-2005, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Anarchistguy

One thing I found funny about the 90s Mega Man cartoon: the intro was just beautiful (visually speaking). The animation was EXTREMELY detailed and the level of violence was INSANE (Robot masters blew up on walls, getting burnt to a crisp, destruction on a HIGH scale, etc...) . But the show itself just sucked.

Heh. I was just thinking that last night (I watched a couple episodes of the mid 90's series after I finished the OVAs).

THe opening has a truely "epic" feel to it. Dr. Wily leading his robot armies like a general, cities being destroyed, Megaman's creation, Robotmasters wreacking havoc everywhere, and a showdown between Megaman and Protoman (complete with Roll praying in the background). Fantastic!

The show itself? Another campy bunch of cartoon cliches written by people who've never played a single Megaman game in their lives. Robo-College? For God's sake!!

Not all the episodes were bad though. Mega X featuring a cameo from "take a wild guess" was pretty damn good. I think they blew their entire animation budget on that episode...and the opening sequence.

*Anarchistguy* · 01-05-2005, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Heh. I was just thinking that last night (I watched a couple episodes of the mid 90's series after I finished the OVAs).

THe opening has a truely "epic" feel to it. Dr. Wily leading his robot armies like a general, cities being destroyed, Megaman's creation, Robotmasters wreacking havoc everywhere, and a showdown between Megaman and Protoman (complete with Roll praying in the background). Fantastic!

The show itself? Another campy bunch of cartoon cliches written by people who've never played a single Megaman game in their lives. Robo-College? For God's sake!!

Not all the episodes were bad though. Mega X featuring a cameo from "take a wild guess" was pretty damn good. I think they blew their entire animation budget on that episode...and the opening sequence.

The old TMNT 'toon did the same thing. Did you see the quality of the first intro? WONDERFUL!!!

*DrSpengler* · 01-05-2005, 03:45 PM

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The old TMNT 'toon did the same thing. Did you see the quality of the first intro? WONDERFUL!!!

Yeah, they NEVER should've dumped Toei for that Korean studio after season 1. I would've loved to have seen some of those season 3 episodes in Toei-quality animation.

Granted, Toei isn't perfect (12 Thundercrackers all talking in Shockwave's voice about Shockwave), but they're certainly a lot prettier than that Korean studio.

*Anarchistguy* · 01-05-2005, 03:48 PM

Speaking of Toei, did you know they were the ones who animated the Sonic CD cutscenes? They did NOT animate the OVA despite popular belief. The company who animated the OVA was Studio Pierrot.

*DrSpengler* · 01-05-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Anarchistguy

Speaking of Toei, did you know they were the ones who animated the Sonic CD cutscenes? They did NOT animate the OVA despite popular belief. The company who animated the OVA was Studio Pierrot.

Really!?

Hey, I didn't know that!

Studio Pierrot did an excellent job mimicing Toei's style, to their credit. As you said, most people (myself included) can't tell the difference.

愛 · 01-05-2005, 08:09 PM

Just something related to this, and credits to Voltron for finding it first.

"This kid gets his ass kicked every day at school."

01-03-2005, 08:59 AM	#21
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	I'd galdly take fewer episodes if more of them were animated like episodes 1, 9, 26, 36, ect. Those were godly. __________________

01-05-2005, 10:29 AM	#22
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	This is my opinion on Sonic X. I hope it's okay if I post it here: Okay...my ratings are based on the Japanese and French versions: Episodes 1-13: 10 Episodes 14-26:6 Episodes 27-32:8 Episodes 33-38:7 Episodes 39-52:2 Overall, this anime was so-so. This series had so much potential, and they didn't use it...WHY???!!! Way too many stand-alone episodes (the term "filler" sounds to trashy for me), the animation got REALLY crappy after episode 13 (Except eps.20-26-32-38-44-52) I mean not even half of the episodes had decent animation. There wasn't enough action, the fights were over before they even started. I was expecting the action to be on par with The Sonic OVA and Sonic CD cutscenes where Sonic was SOOOO agile, and I got utterly disappointed. And did any of you notice that the series had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what the promotion and pilot movie advertised? And Yuji Naka also said the anime would stay away from the games. YEAH, RIGHT!!! And let's not forget about the show's BIGGEST flaw: the humans characters, namely CHRIS THORNDYKE (sp?). He hogged nearly all the spotlight: he stole Tails' role as Sonic's best friend, Amy's role in the SA2 adaptation. In short, he was selfish as all hell!!! It would've been better off if Sonic fell in the pool and Chris came and got him out and once he got him out Sonic would run off to find his friends and live in Station Square on his own with Tails. Then the anime would be a bit better. But the anime had some good moments, like the first 13 episodes (back when the story was actually going somewhere), hearing Bokkun's laugh when the messages he sent exploded in someones face, the Super Sonic episodes, the EXCELLENT music and it was great to see another Sonic cartoon and all the characters make an animated appearance. I suppose the only reason why I really watched it is because of the name "Sonic" branded on the title. -sigh- __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

01-05-2005, 02:41 PM	#24
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	I also hate it when the animation fluxuates in a cartoon. I watch cartoons mostly on a technical level. DrSpengler, I don't remember seeing any recycled animation in Sonic X. Could you give me an example? __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

01-05-2005, 03:48 PM	#30
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	Speaking of Toei, did you know they were the ones who animated the Sonic CD cutscenes? They did NOT animate the OVA despite popular belief. The company who animated the OVA was Studio Pierrot. __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

01-05-2005, 11:30 AM	#23
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	The series was by no means perfect, but IMO it's easily the best Sonic cartoon ever made. I don't think I've seen a single episode of the American version (heard it got editted to hell, though), so my opinion is based solely off the Japanese version. I'm not a big anime fan, that much is true. I HATE anime humour. You know, giant sweat-drops, characters "face-faulting" all the time, stupid sht like that. That's my major complaint about Sonic X, the annoying anime humour. But it IS a kid's show, a Japanese kid's show, no less. So that much is expected. Many of the stand-alone episodes were either boring and/or stupid. But there were just as many good ones. My favorites are the homage to Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner (the one where Sonic can't stop running) and the Chaotix episode. But whenever they did a big arc or a game adaptation it was well worth it. My favorite part of the show, though, was the voice-acting. PERFECT! Sonic's constant use of random English was annoying at first (pronounciation...horrible) but quickly became a funn character trait. I tink my favorite voice was Dr. Robotnik's, though (fck Eggman, he's Robotnik to me). He sorta sounded like Aku from Samurai Jack only a lot goofier. The animation from TMS Studios was both good and bad. It HATE it when animation quality fluxuates in a cartoon. It's really distracting. Sonic X did that quite a bit. It's like they saved the most money for the big important episode arcs and did a budget job on all the stand alone episodes. The recycled animation didn't help. Felt like I was watching Sailor Moon or one of the more recent Japanese Transformers cartoons. Yuck. All in all, it was funny (when it wanted to be), well-animated (when it wanted to be), had an engaging story and the voice acting was superb. I rank it as the best Sonic cartoon to date, perhaps tied with the OVA episodes.

01-05-2005, 08:09 PM	#32
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	Just something related to this, and credits to Voltron for finding it first. "This kid gets his ass kicked every day at school."