Time Trevails *spoiler warnings* - Page 2

Doppleganger · 02-07-2005, 05:51 PM

Well...that was um...interesting. That Draco/UN thing well that was very freaky. But hey they killed stuff in this! They killed those roaches.

Pretty gross.

This Savanti Romero seemed kind of weak but...maybe that was how he was supposed to be in the comics. Anybody who's more familiar like to fill us in? Actually I'm curious to what this thing Cerebus is? Or are you guys talking about Cerberus the mythical three headed underworld dog. If so...why would copyright law apply to that? I thought mythical beasts like the Minotaur and Cerberus couldn't be copyrighted.

Renet was kind of annoying. She got the guys in all that trouble because she wanted to have fun. And then she didn't want to do dusting.

For some reason I imagine her and Dr. Chaplin going on a date. They'd be perfect for each other.

Leonardo Mystic · 02-07-2005, 05:56 PM

Yeah, Renet was very annoying. She whined too much, and came off as a spoiled brat. Got everyone in trouble because she didn't want to serve her punishment, and in the end, wound up with even more.

I completely understood how the guys were feeling when they found out the real cause of the mess. Don: "All this was because of dusting?!"

Aska_Badoura · 02-07-2005, 06:08 PM

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Maybe they'll use it to subdivide themselves somewhere along the line before the "Reality Check" ep-arc starts in March.

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I doubt it..they wouldn't be that NICE :p

Oh, I don't think it'll be permanent, Kazari. There is a limit to 'weird' (in American animation, at least

). I don't think they can maintain appeal in a character design like that for any longer than a few episodes. At the very least, I'm sure the Daimyo could reverse it, if they get to a point in the story where he can. Don't curse the powers that be just yet.

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About the UN/Draco.. I don't know how i feel about it.. It amkes sense though.. they were thrown in that dimensional rip... they SHOULDN"T have come out as they were.. they had to be changed in some way.. makes sense for them to be fused.

So why isn't the kyoji in there somewhere then? That would be interesting. He'd keep stopping them every time they breached protocol.

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It kinda bothered me that the talking head was in the belly of the beast, and that the UN head didn't talk...

He was wearing his warrior mask. Mouth doesn't move.

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*giggles* I loved the part near at the beginning when they were playing on the rooftop, and Leonardo had that water hose spraying his brothers with it.

He was on a power trip, wasn't he? I have to do a double-take every time he's actually being slightly irresponsible.

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Anyway, I've got one question here: was anybody around here as grossed out as I when that over-grown magically-mutated cockroach ATE/SWALLOWED Raph?! YUCKERS! And THEN he ripped his way OUT of it! DOUBLE-yuckers!!!

I know... they were prying his mouth open, and I just braced myself. 'Okay, gratuitous "jump-out-of-the-monster-and-send-guts-flying" shot is coming up.' I figured he wasn't going to leave the same way he came in.

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For some reason I imagine her and Dr. Chaplin going on a date. They'd be perfect for each other.

LOL! Apparent age difference aside, that would be funny.

Brinatello · 02-07-2005, 07:14 PM

Hmm, quite different from the comic, but it still nodded to the original a few times. I loved Renet, she was perfect. Perfect as in her same Valley Girl self was in Mirage! I was horrified at the end with what they did to The Ultimate Ninja and Draco. Like, "What the--!!" I talked to Ivey earlier, who's three hours ahead of me, and she said I was to expect a 'twist' at the end. That's a huge twist, I mean very twisted twisting of two characters into one! I'm like Renet: "Ewww!" But, what is it now with upping the graphic department? Raph slicing his way out of that bug? It was almost as bad as when Leo pierced Splinter in "The Darkness Within." This show is really getting bold with their violence, isn't it?

Oh, and the beginning with Leo falling face down in the water was painful to watch. Poor guy! I smiled to it, but felt sorry for him. Again, another homage to the comic with a slight change.

I missed "The Entity Below" the other night because I was at work and Mom was taping the Super Bowl. What is it about their armor that was better than this ep? Now, I'm curious and don't want to wait till Saturday!

jestergoblin · 02-07-2005, 07:59 PM

Wow. Just wow.

When I first saw the Draco-dragon beast I kept thinking "he looks familiar" but I couldn't quite place it. Thinking about it now, how many red dragons do you normally see?

The addition of thr Ninja Knights was great too. Makes me value the toys and their variants a bit more.

UN-Draco was... interesting. He reminded me A LOT of the Hothead action figure Playmates made. As for only his stomach talking, its because UN was wearing his mask so his mouth didn't move as well.

I loved the set up for the old Tales of TMNT issue.

Renet kinda annoyed me but I think down the road she'll grow on me more.

I'm amazed at how much continuity is in these filler episodes.

Aska_Badoura · 02-07-2005, 08:36 PM

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But, what is it now with upping the graphic department? Raph slicing his way out of that bug? It was almost as bad as when Leo pierced Splinter in "The Darkness Within." This show is really getting bold with their violence, isn't it?

Seems to me that typically, you can get away with that kind of stuff if it's some slobbery, horrific monster the characters are killing. It reminded me a lot of Disney's Hercules, with Hercules rather messily slicing the hydra's throat from the inside. And if Disney can get away with it..

Well, you're right, it is something kind of unusual for an animated series to do. I guess they figure if them just *being* there is disgusting, then their icky demises aren't any worse.

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I talked to Ivey earlier

OT: (Assuming this is the same Ivey that you'd usually mention when saying "TMNT" and "internet/web" in the same sentence

) Do you think you can PM me a way to get in touch with her, or ask her to email me (I can give you my address)? I've been wanting to ask what happened to #TMNT and Dalnet, but I haven't been able to find any way to talk to her.

Torrant2 · 02-07-2005, 08:44 PM

Great episode. Renet's outfit kind of stunk though. But I have to ask this one question. WHERE IS SPLINTER??????? I'm going through withdrawals here.

**Kali** · 02-07-2005, 08:50 PM

Yay Renet! And they pronounced it with the T, too.

Of course, they did change her costume a bit. Higher neckline, and higher boots. I liked it, but wouldn’t be caught dead in it myself. I think her voice was excellent. I always heard something a little more “Valley”, but that would have gotten annoying really fast in this.

The aardvark there when they appeared in the past was a cute touch.

Bugs. I was a bit annoyed that Raphael didn’t make any bug comments. I mean, I know they only added it to April’s Artifact because of what they had planned, but I wish it had carried.

And the “surprise” villain. I must say, I was kinda right. I was expecting the UN, but that was a surprise. But I do like it. (Don’t hurt me!) I liked it because it made sense that something happened to them. I would have been disappointed if they showed up unscathed. But with the Time Scepter, I’m sure they can fix themselves. They can take their body back to a time when they were separate.

And on an ending note, again, how’d they get away with this?!? The dark magic, violence, and all. Opened a lot of storylines though… I hope they bring Savanti back, since they didn’t do that much with him here.

*Zachatello00* · 02-07-2005, 09:25 PM

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Yeah, Renet was very annoying. She whined too much, and came off as a spoiled brat.

Um, yeah.

I loved the MIB reference, Welcome to the TMNT hotel, roaches check in, they don't check out.

*Buslady* · 02-07-2005, 09:39 PM

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Um, yeah.

I loved the MIB reference, Welcome to the TMNT hotel, roaches check in, they don't check out.

Jee, originally that was the catch phrase for Black Flag Roach Motel back in my day.

*ZariusTwo* · 02-08-2005, 01:48 PM

You know what's odd?

That Renet is animated to look "less busty", when this episode aired mere days after Teen Titans practically got away with a near-rape scene.

rayfillet101 · 02-08-2005, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

You know what's odd?

That Renet is animated to look "less busty", when this episode aired mere days after Teen Titans practically got away with a near-rape scene.

Raven looks less bust as well...

*ZariusTwo* · 02-08-2005, 02:25 PM

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Raven looks less bust as well...

Yeah, but at least Renet was'nt beaten and stripped...

*MrPliggins* · 02-08-2005, 03:17 PM

Oh man, what a cool episode... It started off as a clone from the comic book, great.
Renet even did the opening teaser.. Speaking of her, she was annoying...but she is supposed to be...that is her character. I think they did a great job with her.
Lord Simulataneous's "human" voice was a little strange, though...
and I didn't notice the aardvark...gotta rewatch..

**Jester** · 02-08-2005, 04:17 PM

Kaz, i knew when i saw Ultimate Drako Ninja that u weren't gonna like it, and i can't say i did either. i was hoping that maybe Dracko was a monster evolved by Savante to attack the turtles....i never expected he was both...though the mask should have given it away....not a terible episode, but the UDN idea sucked eggs...

IceFlash78 · 02-08-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jestergoblin

UN-Draco was... interesting. He reminded me A LOT of the Hothead action figure Playmates made. As for only his stomach talking, its because UN was wearing his mask so his mouth didn't move as well.

I'm amazed at how much continuity is in these filler episodes.

Ohh.. that must be why I thought Draco was the only one talking.. I rely completely on the captions for the dialogue (since I can't hear...) and the captions didn't say who were talking the way they sometimes do...

I agree.. the continuity is nice.. Its nice to finally watch a show (especially an cartoon!) where each episode depends on the previous episodes instead of an series of individualized spisodes without any central story.

**Jester** · 02-08-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by IceFlash78

I agree.. the continuity is nice.. Its nice to finally watch a show (especially an cartoon!) where each episode depends on the previous episodes instead of an series of individualized spisodes without any central story.

Somone needs to buy the season one of gargoyles DVD

....then 2 and 3 when they come out....the most beautiful storytelling and continuity i've ever seen in a cartoon.

Doppleganger · 02-08-2005, 08:19 PM

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Somone needs to buy the season one of gargoyles DVD....then 2 and 3 when they come out....the most beautiful storytelling and continuity i've ever seen in a cartoon.

Oh hell yeah!

Aska_Badoura · 02-08-2005, 08:22 PM

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Actually I'm curious to what this thing Cerebus is?

Here, Doppleganger, and everybody else who wonders about Cerebus: ninjaturtles.com info on TMNT v1 #8

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Somone needs to buy the season one of gargoyles DVD....then 2 and 3 when they come out....the most beautiful storytelling and continuity i've ever seen in a cartoon.

*nods enthusiastically* One and two, definitely. Eh, I don't know if I'd recommend three. I'm not a fan of The Goliath Chronicles. It's fine, but not near the quality as the others.

Naminé · 02-08-2005, 11:43 PM

I just learned... Renet's voice actress is the same as Bloom from Winx Club. Woah. Just thought I'd share some interesting info. Haha.

02-07-2005, 05:56 PM	#22
Leonardo Mystic Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 904	Yeah, Renet was very annoying. She whined too much, and came off as a spoiled brat. Got everyone in trouble because she didn't want to serve her punishment, and in the end, wound up with even more. I completely understood how the guys were feeling when they found out the real cause of the mess. Don: "All this was because of dusting?!" __________________

02-08-2005, 01:48 PM	#31
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,301	You know what's odd? That Renet is animated to look "less busty", when this episode aired mere days after Teen Titans practically got away with a near-rape scene. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

02-08-2005, 04:17 PM	#35
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	Kaz, i knew when i saw Ultimate Drako Ninja that u weren't gonna like it, and i can't say i did either. i was hoping that maybe Dracko was a monster evolved by Savante to attack the turtles....i never expected he was both...though the mask should have given it away....not a terible episode, but the UDN idea sucked eggs... __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

02-07-2005, 05:51 PM	#21
Doppleganger Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 687	Well...that was um...interesting. That Draco/UN thing well that was very freaky. But hey they killed stuff in this! They killed those roaches. Pretty gross. This Savanti Romero seemed kind of weak but...maybe that was how he was supposed to be in the comics. Anybody who's more familiar like to fill us in? Actually I'm curious to what this thing Cerebus is? Or are you guys talking about Cerberus the mythical three headed underworld dog. If so...why would copyright law apply to that? I thought mythical beasts like the Minotaur and Cerberus couldn't be copyrighted. Renet was kind of annoying. She got the guys in all that trouble because she wanted to have fun. And then she didn't want to do dusting. For some reason I imagine her and Dr. Chaplin going on a date. They'd be perfect for each other.

02-07-2005, 07:14 PM	#24
Brinatello Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 446	Hmm, quite different from the comic, but it still nodded to the original a few times. I loved Renet, she was perfect. Perfect as in her same Valley Girl self was in Mirage! I was horrified at the end with what they did to The Ultimate Ninja and Draco. Like, "What the--!!" I talked to Ivey earlier, who's three hours ahead of me, and she said I was to expect a 'twist' at the end. That's a huge twist, I mean very twisted twisting of two characters into one! I'm like Renet: "Ewww!" But, what is it now with upping the graphic department? Raph slicing his way out of that bug? It was almost as bad as when Leo pierced Splinter in "The Darkness Within." This show is really getting bold with their violence, isn't it? Oh, and the beginning with Leo falling face down in the water was painful to watch. Poor guy! I smiled to it, but felt sorry for him. Again, another homage to the comic with a slight change. I missed "The Entity Below" the other night because I was at work and Mom was taping the Super Bowl. What is it about their armor that was better than this ep? Now, I'm curious and don't want to wait till Saturday!

02-07-2005, 07:59 PM	#25
jestergoblin Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,458	Wow. Just wow. When I first saw the Draco-dragon beast I kept thinking "he looks familiar" but I couldn't quite place it. Thinking about it now, how many red dragons do you normally see? The addition of thr Ninja Knights was great too. Makes me value the toys and their variants a bit more. UN-Draco was... interesting. He reminded me A LOT of the Hothead action figure Playmates made. As for only his stomach talking, its because UN was wearing his mask so his mouth didn't move as well. I loved the set up for the old Tales of TMNT issue. Renet kinda annoyed me but I think down the road she'll grow on me more. I'm amazed at how much continuity is in these filler episodes.

02-07-2005, 08:44 PM	#27
Torrant2 Thug Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Warwick, RI Posts: 69	Great episode. Renet's outfit kind of stunk though. But I have to ask this one question. WHERE IS SPLINTER??????? I'm going through withdrawals here.

02-07-2005, 08:50 PM	#28
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Yay Renet! And they pronounced it with the T, too. Of course, they did change her costume a bit. Higher neckline, and higher boots. I liked it, but wouldn’t be caught dead in it myself. I think her voice was excellent. I always heard something a little more “Valley”, but that would have gotten annoying really fast in this. The aardvark there when they appeared in the past was a cute touch. Bugs. I was a bit annoyed that Raphael didn’t make any bug comments. I mean, I know they only added it to April’s Artifact because of what they had planned, but I wish it had carried. And the “surprise” villain. I must say, I was kinda right. I was expecting the UN, but that was a surprise. But I do like it. (Don’t hurt me!) I liked it because it made sense that something happened to them. I would have been disappointed if they showed up unscathed. But with the Time Scepter, I’m sure they can fix themselves. They can take their body back to a time when they were separate. And on an ending note, again, how’d they get away with this?!? The dark magic, violence, and all. Opened a lot of storylines though… I hope they bring Savanti back, since they didn’t do that much with him here.

02-08-2005, 03:17 PM	#34
MrPliggins Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,050	Oh man, what a cool episode... It started off as a clone from the comic book, great. Renet even did the opening teaser.. Speaking of her, she was annoying...but she is supposed to be...that is her character. I think they did a great job with her. Lord Simulataneous's "human" voice was a little strange, though... and I didn't notice the aardvark...gotta rewatch..

02-08-2005, 11:43 PM	#40
Naminé Random Punk Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 29	I just learned... Renet's voice actress is the same as Bloom from Winx Club. Woah. Just thought I'd share some interesting info. Haha.