Shadow The Hedgehog Article!!! ^___^ - Page 2

**ThirdMarioBro** · 05-03-2005, 03:05 AM

The problem with the Sonic franchise is not the characters. Sonic X had it's cheesey stuff, but it showed with good writing, you can do pretty amazingly emotional stuff (in the original version blah blah). But, the problem is that the games are being dumbed down. They kept trying to push these crappy new concepts on people (3 team characters and mechas) that bogged down the speed of the gameplay. That kills the whole point. Heroes sucked because it was slow. Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 may have had lower framerates, but the sense of speed in those suckers was INSANE. It was the presentation. Think about it. Sonic Adventure had a hellish metamprphic creature from the past destroying all civilization and killing a city full of people with Sonic going all Goku in the end and killing it in the apolyiptic ruins of the capitol. Now that is damn serious, and the gameplay was pure speed. The level design was also clever. That was the Sonic game we had all been waiting on. A little glitchy here and there, but no one cares. The game was intense, serious for the hardcore old school Sonic fans, and bright enough to have that sunny california Sega beach feel. Perfect balance. SA2 was the epitomy of story design and a highpoint for Sonic Team. Shadow's story was deep, the ending was depressing as hell, but it made you have a deeper respect for the franchise as a resutlt.

What did SOnic Heroes do? Sent Sonic and his little pals on a quest to save Chocola and defeat the evil Eggman and a deformed Metal Sonic. The music wa sh*t, the graphics were sub Dreamcast, and the 3 team design was clunky and slow. The stopping and switching element killed it, the cheesy cutsy story killed it. Fu*k it. Heroes was this "let's appeal to the little kids and new generation" type thing and it bombed badly doing nothing but piss off the fans. Sooo, I just blame it's bad decisions on the Sammy shakeup and move on. That's over now. THey have no more excuses. Now, Sonic Team is working on Sonic Adventure 3 and Sonic DS, w00t. In the meantime we have Shadow the Hedgehog from Sega of California.

They see that the team crap was a bad idea and just gave us one faaaaaaast character. The gus is what worries me, but they say it dosen't slow down gameplay and that they intagrated it into the running part. We'll see, but they did fix a lot so far. Graphically it's an improvement, but still has a ways to go. But it's still a beta so I'll wait and see the final product for judging that. Shadow's giving us a bad ass dark story ala SA2, so good. The game has a chance. It'd have a bigger chance if it were done by Sonic Team, but I'll give the San Francisco branch a shot. After all, they did have a hand in SA2.

*Hannah* · 05-03-2005, 05:12 AM

TMB... I love you.

*DrSpengler* · 05-03-2005, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

It'd have a bigger chance if it were done by Sonic Team, but I'll give the San Francisco branch a shot. After all, they did have a hand in SA2 after all.

Weren't many of the original Genesis Sonic titles done by Sega of America and not Sonic Team? I know Spinball for sure, but I think Sonic 2 as well.

EDIT:

Ah, it was a combined effort with Sega Technial Institute located in America.

http://www.sonicstadium.org/games/index.php?gid=sonic2

**ThirdMarioBro** · 05-03-2005, 01:34 PM

Yep, sadly though the Tech Institute no longer exists. I wish it did though.

Shark · 05-03-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

(Im still in the dog house for saying Sonic Heroes was a Piece of crap)

Why? You were just steing the truth. The only good that came out of that game was the return of Espio. The return of Metal Sonic, Vector, and Charmy was crap, considering how badly those three were ruined in this game.

*The Stryker* · 05-04-2005, 08:37 PM

My Girlfriend like most Nintendo and Sonic Fans Blindly Praise anything that is released, Good or Bad

*DrSpengler* · 05-04-2005, 08:58 PM

I guess this is the new Sonic thread, so...

I picked up Sonic Adventure DX yesterday and I've got to say it's a good deal less annoying than SA2. You can play through Sonic's levels all at once and not be forced to go search for treasure or pilot a mech or similar bullsh1t. The camera's one of the worst I've ever seen, though to be honest I don't play as many video games as I used to. So I'm sure there's worse.

There's also more alternate paths in the game than in SA2 or Heroes. Granted, they aren't as unique as in the 2D titles and mostly just consist of different ways to get yourself out of a pit.

I also like being able to explore and roam around areas rather than be forced along a race track at all times. However, due mostly to Sonic's speed, the area's you're allowed to roam freely seem kinda small (like Mystic Ruins).

The other 3D Sonic titles I've played have been borderline awful, but SA1 seems to be average at the very least. SA1 was a good starting point for the 3D Sonic franchise. Had they just improved upon the concept of this game the 3D Sonic titles might be something to be proud of. Instead they just kept changing gimmicks and now the franchise is worse off than ever before.

They should take what made SA1 fun, and improve on it. Like they should've done in the first place.

Shark · 05-05-2005, 02:18 AM

I'm looking forward to this game, even though I know it will be bad. Every Sonic game thats came out since 2000 sucks...

Sonic Shuffle, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Advance 1, 2, and 3, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Pinball Party, and any others I may have missed.

Noticed I didn't add Sonic Battle? Although the com was cheap in that game, it was the only Sonic game with a good story this century.

I miss the good old Sonic days...

*The Stryker* · 05-05-2005, 02:28 AM

I actually liked Sonic Shuffle, Then Again I Was Trippin' Balls back then

Shark · 05-05-2005, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

I actually liked Sonic Shuffle, Then Again I Was Trippin' Balls back then

It would of been good if...

1. Computer wasn't Cheap or Cheating
2. Loading Time was Better
3. Had more levels
4. Void wasn't a Child. I mean, a Mentally Retarded Villain was pretty good or a change, but did the American version have to make him just a messed up kid?

**ThirdMarioBro** · 05-05-2005, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark

It would of been good if...
1. Computer wasn't Cheap or Cheating

Welcome to Mario Party and every other party game known to exist.

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Originally Posted by Shark

2. Loading Time was Better

Consider that fixed because there will be a new Sonic Collection for Gamecube revealed at E3 featuring Sonic CD (THANK GOD), Sonic Fighters, Knuckles Chaotix, Sonic Arcade, and yes, Sonic Shuffle reoptomized with GAMECUBE LOAD TIMES. Maybe it will finally be playable now.

Shark · 05-05-2005, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

Welcome to Mario Party and every other party game known to exist.

Consider that fixed because there will be a new Sonic Collection for Gamecube revealed at E3 featuring Sonic CD (THANK GOD), Sonic Fighters, Knuckles Chaotix, Sonic Arcade, and yes, Sonic Shuffle reoptomized with GAMECUBE LOAD TIMES. Maybe it will finally be playable now.

Weird. Didn't have my quotes when I quoted you. for 1. I was originally going to say WASN'T FAIR, but I decided to say WAS CHEAP OR CHEATING. I just forgot to change the WASN'T part...But Mario Party...a little too easy. Sonic Shuffle...a little TOO hard. I beat it, but there way no point in playing again, considering I couldn't get a fair game.

Sonic CD. I got three of those. Sega CD, PC, and Emulated. I'm almost honestly sick of the game. Sonic Fighters, Sweet. I got it emulated, but it's soo damn slow. Metal Sonic might be impossible without the Save State though... Knuckles Chaotix, Emulated, beat, hated. Sonic Arcade, the ONLY Sonic game I never got to play or beat. Seen it at Sega World, but didn't get to play it. Finally, I can finally play the one and only Sonic game I never played or beaten. Sonic Shuffle, a month ago I was actually considering dragging out my DC just to play it again, now I don't have to. And with Action Replay, I don't have to worry about cheaters and cheapness EVER again! thanks for the great news. I never heard anything about it, but then again, I never heard anything about TMNT Mutant Melee until after it came out...sweet XD

*Hannah* · 05-08-2005, 01:17 PM

New article

..........yes. <3

Shark · 05-08-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannah

New article

..........yes. <3

WTF? It's been named Sonic Adventure 3 already, and it's only one character? That sucks. I was hopeing people like Rouge, Nack, maybe anyone else that could befriend Shadow would be in it. Although this does give them room to make more levels for one character, AND give them plenty of room to make story scenes, unlike Sonic Heroes, where they had little to none story scenes...god I hope this game goes back to it's story scene roots, and improve with Sonic Heroish graphics. I hope just as much that they have ADVENTURE FEILDS RETURN!!! Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Heroes ruined us all -.-

Peanut · 05-08-2005, 09:39 PM

God, this game just keeps looking worse and worse.

Shark · 05-08-2005, 09:48 PM

Not to mention, Eggman? and Appearences from other Sonic characters? The only onic characters I think should get involved are Rouge, Metal, and Eggman. Metal especially, since he knows everything about Shadow, thanks to Sonic Heroes. And Rouge because she's Shadow's only friend. Eggman, because his grandfather created the original,and he (or Metal) created this one. But Eggman as a bad guy yet again, I'm as sick of Eggman as I am on Bowser.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 05-08-2005, 10:01 PM

They never named it Sonic Adventure 3. It's Shadow the Hedgehog. SA3 is a different game for a different system in a different generation. Why do you think Sega USA is developing it instead of Sonic Team? because it's not a SONIC game. Sonic Heroes was sh*t and I know Sonic Team can do better. Sega USA hasn't made that much I want to deal with before, but I'm not comparing this on scale with other Sonic titles. It's a different game.

Frankly, I'd have nothing to complain about if the gun wasn't there. The music better be good as well. Heroes sucked again in that department.

Shark · 05-08-2005, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

They never named it Sonic Adventure 3. It's Shadow the Hedgehog. SA3 is a different game for a different system in a different generation. Why do you think Sega USA is developing it instead of Sonic Team? because it's not a SONIC game. Sonic Heroes was sh*t and I know Sonic Team can do better. Sega USA hasn't made that much I want to deal with before, but I'm not comparing this on scale with other Sonic titles. It's a different game.

Frankly, I'd have nothing to complain about if the gun wasn't there. The music better be good as well. Heroes sucked again in that department.

I KNOW it's not a Sonic game, even though I read on GameFAQS these idiots actually are going to stick Sonic in there...Knuckles Chaotix...can't any good spin-off be a spin-off without haveing Sonic in it at all?

Bs I was saying, almost everywhere I read about this game, they been calling it Sonic Adventure 3. Now if you have more information on the REAL Sonic Adventure 3, I'd like to hear it...very bad...tell me it's not on Xbox, NDS, GBA, PSP, or PS...

**ThirdMarioBro** · 05-08-2005, 11:09 PM

Well, it's not SA3 regardless of what Gamefags says. Shadow is not SA3. But by sticking Sonic in there, they just meant he's making a story based cameo. That dosen't mean he'll be playable of anything. It's not his game.

Oh, and it's going to be released for GC, Xbox, and PS2.

Shark · 05-08-2005, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

Well, it's not SA3 regardless of what Gamefags says. Shadow is not SA3. But by sticking Sonic in there, they just meant he's making a story based cameo. That dosen't mean he'll be playable of anything. It's not his game.

Oh, and it's going to be released for GC, Xbox, and PS2.

First of all...why does everyone call it Gamefags? Glad I'm not a hardcore member or anything, but it's better than the twinks at the IGN boards.

Second of all, I said EVERYWHERE called it sonic Adventure 3. I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'm just telling you what I read. Now lets drop that subject.

Third, I never said Sonic was playable. Just in it. Anyone who makes Sonic games can't make one spin-off WITHOUT includeing Sonic one way or another. Knuckles Chaotix, the main bad guy was Metal Sonic, the very same robot modeled after Sonic. Then if you kill Metal Sonic with all the...Chaos Emeralds? Forgot what those were, anyway, in the ending, picture with all the Chaotix, Sonic and Tails are in it, and I believe they were also in the title screen. I mean come on, at least Donkey Kong and Wario had some games without Mario. I'm not saying I have a problem with Sonic, just don't like the idea of them sticking Sonic into everything. Maybe this game would have use for him, but Knuckles Chaotix had no reason at all for him. And I never beat any of the Tails games yet, so I'm not sure if Sonic had any cameo's for not.

05-03-2005, 03:05 AM	#21
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	The problem with the Sonic franchise is not the characters. Sonic X had it's cheesey stuff, but it showed with good writing, you can do pretty amazingly emotional stuff (in the original version blah blah). But, the problem is that the games are being dumbed down. They kept trying to push these crappy new concepts on people (3 team characters and mechas) that bogged down the speed of the gameplay. That kills the whole point. Heroes sucked because it was slow. Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 may have had lower framerates, but the sense of speed in those suckers was INSANE. It was the presentation. Think about it. Sonic Adventure had a hellish metamprphic creature from the past destroying all civilization and killing a city full of people with Sonic going all Goku in the end and killing it in the apolyiptic ruins of the capitol. Now that is damn serious, and the gameplay was pure speed. The level design was also clever. That was the Sonic game we had all been waiting on. A little glitchy here and there, but no one cares. The game was intense, serious for the hardcore old school Sonic fans, and bright enough to have that sunny california Sega beach feel. Perfect balance. SA2 was the epitomy of story design and a highpoint for Sonic Team. Shadow's story was deep, the ending was depressing as hell, but it made you have a deeper respect for the franchise as a resutlt. What did SOnic Heroes do? Sent Sonic and his little pals on a quest to save Chocola and defeat the evil Eggman and a deformed Metal Sonic. The music wa sht, the graphics were sub Dreamcast, and the 3 team design was clunky and slow. The stopping and switching element killed it, the cheesy cutsy story killed it. Fuk it. Heroes was this "let's appeal to the little kids and new generation" type thing and it bombed badly doing nothing but piss off the fans. Sooo, I just blame it's bad decisions on the Sammy shakeup and move on. That's over now. THey have no more excuses. Now, Sonic Team is working on Sonic Adventure 3 and Sonic DS, w00t. In the meantime we have Shadow the Hedgehog from Sega of California. They see that the team crap was a bad idea and just gave us one faaaaaaast character. The gus is what worries me, but they say it dosen't slow down gameplay and that they intagrated it into the running part. We'll see, but they did fix a lot so far. Graphically it's an improvement, but still has a ways to go. But it's still a beta so I'll wait and see the final product for judging that. Shadow's giving us a bad ass dark story ala SA2, so good. The game has a chance. It'd have a bigger chance if it were done by Sonic Team, but I'll give the San Francisco branch a shot. After all, they did have a hand in SA2. __________________

05-03-2005, 05:12 AM	#22
Hannah Once more, with feeling! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,111	TMB... I love you. __________________

05-03-2005, 01:34 PM	#24
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	Yep, sadly though the Tech Institute no longer exists. I wish it did though. __________________

05-04-2005, 08:37 PM	#26
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	My Girlfriend like most Nintendo and Sonic Fans Blindly Praise anything that is released, Good or Bad __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

05-05-2005, 02:18 AM	#28
Shark Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In my Wii, playing with my Wii. Playing with TMNT on the Wii. Wii Play TMNT WEEE!!! Posts: 653	I'm looking forward to this game, even though I know it will be bad. Every Sonic game thats came out since 2000 sucks... Sonic Shuffle, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Advance 1, 2, and 3, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Pinball Party, and any others I may have missed. Noticed I didn't add Sonic Battle? Although the com was cheap in that game, it was the only Sonic game with a good story this century. I miss the good old Sonic days... __________________ The Forum's Un-Official Karai Obsessor!!! And my unhealthy obsession for Karai continues...I need therapy... Enter: Shadow Assassin RP has just started, and still open for new people. Favorite Sloganizer Quotes: "I quit smokeing with Karai.", "Karai on the outside, tasty on the inside." and "I'd sleep with Karai." Man that Sloganizer can be pretty perverted O.o

05-04-2005, 08:58 PM	#27
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	I guess this is the new Sonic thread, so... I picked up Sonic Adventure DX yesterday and I've got to say it's a good deal less annoying than SA2. You can play through Sonic's levels all at once and not be forced to go search for treasure or pilot a mech or similar bullsh1t. The camera's one of the worst I've ever seen, though to be honest I don't play as many video games as I used to. So I'm sure there's worse. There's also more alternate paths in the game than in SA2 or Heroes. Granted, they aren't as unique as in the 2D titles and mostly just consist of different ways to get yourself out of a pit. I also like being able to explore and roam around areas rather than be forced along a race track at all times. However, due mostly to Sonic's speed, the area's you're allowed to roam freely seem kinda small (like Mystic Ruins). The other 3D Sonic titles I've played have been borderline awful, but SA1 seems to be average at the very least. SA1 was a good starting point for the 3D Sonic franchise. Had they just improved upon the concept of this game the 3D Sonic titles might be something to be proud of. Instead they just kept changing gimmicks and now the franchise is worse off than ever before. They should take what made SA1 fun, and improve on it. Like they should've done in the first place.

05-05-2005, 02:28 AM	#29
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	I actually liked Sonic Shuffle, Then Again I Was Trippin' Balls back then __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

05-08-2005, 01:17 PM	#33
Hannah Once more, with feeling! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,111	New article ..........yes. <3 __________________ Last edited by Anarky; 05-08-2005 at 01:23 PM. Reason: Image bent the frames

05-08-2005, 09:39 PM	#35
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	God, this game just keeps looking worse and worse.

05-08-2005, 09:48 PM	#36
Shark Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In my Wii, playing with my Wii. Playing with TMNT on the Wii. Wii Play TMNT WEEE!!! Posts: 653	Not to mention, Eggman? and Appearences from other Sonic characters? The only onic characters I think should get involved are Rouge, Metal, and Eggman. Metal especially, since he knows everything about Shadow, thanks to Sonic Heroes. And Rouge because she's Shadow's only friend. Eggman, because his grandfather created the original,and he (or Metal) created this one. But Eggman as a bad guy yet again, I'm as sick of Eggman as I am on Bowser. __________________ The Forum's Un-Official Karai Obsessor!!! And my unhealthy obsession for Karai continues...I need therapy... Enter: Shadow Assassin RP has just started, and still open for new people. Favorite Sloganizer Quotes: "I quit smokeing with Karai.", "Karai on the outside, tasty on the inside." and "I'd sleep with Karai." Man that Sloganizer can be pretty perverted O.o

05-08-2005, 10:01 PM	#37
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	They never named it Sonic Adventure 3. It's Shadow the Hedgehog. SA3 is a different game for a different system in a different generation. Why do you think Sega USA is developing it instead of Sonic Team? because it's not a SONIC game. Sonic Heroes was sh*t and I know Sonic Team can do better. Sega USA hasn't made that much I want to deal with before, but I'm not comparing this on scale with other Sonic titles. It's a different game. Frankly, I'd have nothing to complain about if the gun wasn't there. The music better be good as well. Heroes sucked again in that department. __________________

05-08-2005, 11:09 PM	#39
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	Well, it's not SA3 regardless of what Gamefags says. Shadow is not SA3. But by sticking Sonic in there, they just meant he's making a story based cameo. That dosen't mean he'll be playable of anything. It's not his game. Oh, and it's going to be released for GC, Xbox, and PS2. __________________