Bebop & Rocksteady - Page 2

**Karpo_007** · 12-01-2002, 04:04 PM

Well Original Shredder was kind of business man aside of leading the NEw York Branch of Foot. But this time On a much bigger scale. Well if you are waiting for a Clown Shredder like in first cartoon, you are going to be disappointed.

*Deathknight* · 12-01-2002, 07:19 PM

I just don't expect him to be a business man, he's a master ninja that never pays for anything, he justs steals it,

*heretic888* · 12-01-2002, 11:52 PM

Shredder is not a ninja.

Mondo_Gecko · 12-01-2002, 11:57 PM

He's not a ninja? WHAT??

*heretic888* · 12-02-2002, 12:03 AM

no, he's not. i could elaborate on this if you want....

**Kali** · 12-02-2002, 12:05 AM

Please, just not the long version. In a sense, Shredder's no more a "true" ninja than a HS biology student is a scientist.

Mondo_Gecko · 12-02-2002, 12:06 AM

I didn't know that cuz in the TV show he was amember of the foot clan .

*heretic888* · 12-02-2002, 12:10 AM

to paraphrase Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi, the foremost requirement of a true ninja is 'seishin', purity of heart and intention. Saki is no doubt quite skilled in some of the physical aspects of ninpo, but his heart is so filled with rage and hatred that it would be impossible for him to truly practice ninjutsu.

in short, Shredder possesses some ninja skills... but he lacks the 'essence' of the ninja way.

Mondo_Gecko · 12-02-2002, 12:12 AM

Ahh it all m a kes sense now thanks man.

**Kali** · 12-02-2002, 12:13 AM

Well, he is a fictional ninja, there's no doubt about that. But there's a huge difference between fictional ninjas and real life ninjas. Heretic's just hung up on the issue. Saki studies the physical aspects of ninjutsu but totally ignores the philosophy and morals behind the teachings. Corrupting the teachings, as it were.

*heretic888* · 12-02-2002, 12:18 AM

yes, there is a difference between fictitious and real life ninja.... but a fictitous ninja can still convey the 'feeling' of what ninjutsu represents.

Saki is not a true ninja within the context of his character. Mike, however, is.

Its not really a matter of not following certain ethical teachings either (althought that is part of it). Saki doesnt possess a certain feeling or quality that makes him a true ninja.

**Kali** · 12-02-2002, 12:20 AM

Well, Saki is the bad guy.

I still think you're too hung up on the issue.

Mondo_Gecko · 12-02-2002, 12:21 AM

And Shredder is an awesome badguy.

*heretic888* · 12-02-2002, 12:24 AM

yes, Saki makes an excellent antagonist.

hung up, neh? you really dont know anything about my motivations, intentions, or life activities... so i think that would be a callous judgment to say the least.

raphael90 · 12-02-2002, 12:33 AM

I think Shredder is the perfect enemy. Here we have someone who was bad from the beginning but he was once a normal ninja. Then he saw the right time to get rid of his master whom he obviously hated. Then he changed names just like Darth Vader, masked his face and took up a life of crime.

I guess it would be too cliche if they just picked up the show where it left off eh? I never even watched the last few seasons when I left the Turtle realm for a while.

**Karpo_007** · 12-02-2002, 02:38 AM

Well, Saki was trained to revenge his brother. Actually they used his desire of vengeance to motivate his training. True Ninja or not? Im not sure they ever said he was a ninja.

Sparvid · 12-02-2002, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Well Original Shredder was kind of business man aside of leading the NEw York Branch of Foot. But this time On a much bigger scale. Well if you are waiting for a Clown Shredder like in first cartoon, you are going to be disappointed.

One thing that isn't clear from the series overview is if Shredder's Foot is the only one, or a branch of a larger organization. It only says "The Foot is a well-oiled organized crime ring, led by the Shredder". Personally, I'm hoping there will be more Foot branches, which could make some interesting stories...

**Karpo_007** · 12-02-2002, 08:24 AM

Yeah... I dont belive they would change the plot that much.

FreshRazz · 12-02-2002, 08:30 AM

They made ya laugh
They made you cry
they always gave it their best try
tryin to make the turtles fry
it's to bad them two didn't die...

I'm kidding they were classic who would of guessed they'd be the best source of comic relief!

Too bad they ain't in the new show!

*heretic888* · 12-02-2002, 10:33 AM

In the comic series itself, Shredder was just the leader of the New York branch of the Foot. Karai was the leader of the Foot in Japan (and thus the leader of the Foot as a whole). She claimed that Saki had diverted from the teachings and wishes of the Foot and had purused his own agenda.

12-01-2002, 07:19 PM	#22
Deathknight Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: One of the 972 rooms of the technodrome Posts: 1,995	I just don't expect him to be a business man, he's a master ninja that never pays for anything, he justs steals it, __________________ Shredder: "Ninja hall of fame? Ha! Where's MY statue?!" -My Brother, the Bad Guy

12-01-2002, 11:52 PM	#23
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem Shredder is not a ninja. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

12-02-2002, 12:03 AM	#25
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem no, he's not. i could elaborate on this if you want.... __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

12-02-2002, 12:10 AM	#28
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem to paraphrase Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi, the foremost requirement of a true ninja is 'seishin', purity of heart and intention. Saki is no doubt quite skilled in some of the physical aspects of ninpo, but his heart is so filled with rage and hatred that it would be impossible for him to truly practice ninjutsu. in short, Shredder possesses some ninja skills... but he lacks the 'essence' of the ninja way. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

12-02-2002, 12:18 AM	#31
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	errr yes, there is a difference between fictitious and real life ninja.... but a fictitous ninja can still convey the 'feeling' of what ninjutsu represents. Saki is not a true ninja within the context of his character. Mike, however, is. Its not really a matter of not following certain ethical teachings either (althought that is part of it). Saki doesnt possess a certain feeling or quality that makes him a true ninja. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

12-01-2002, 04:04 PM	#21
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well Original Shredder was kind of business man aside of leading the NEw York Branch of Foot. But this time On a much bigger scale. Well if you are waiting for a Clown Shredder like in first cartoon, you are going to be disappointed.

12-01-2002, 11:57 PM	#24
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	He's not a ninja? WHAT??

12-02-2002, 12:05 AM	#26
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Please, just not the long version. In a sense, Shredder's no more a "true" ninja than a HS biology student is a scientist.

12-02-2002, 12:06 AM	#27
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	I didn't know that cuz in the TV show he was amember of the foot clan .

12-02-2002, 12:12 AM	#29
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	Ahh it all m a kes sense now thanks man.

12-02-2002, 12:13 AM	#30
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Well, he is a fictional ninja, there's no doubt about that. But there's a huge difference between fictional ninjas and real life ninjas. Heretic's just hung up on the issue. Saki studies the physical aspects of ninjutsu but totally ignores the philosophy and morals behind the teachings. Corrupting the teachings, as it were.

12-02-2002, 12:20 AM	#32
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Well, Saki is the bad guy. I still think you're too hung up on the issue.

12-02-2002, 12:21 AM	#33
Mondo_Gecko Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 670	And Shredder is an awesome badguy.

12-02-2002, 12:24 AM	#34
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hung up? yes, Saki makes an excellent antagonist. hung up, neh? you really dont know anything about my motivations, intentions, or life activities... so i think that would be a callous judgment to say the least. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

12-02-2002, 12:33 AM	#35
raphael90 Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ...down in the sewer listening to Skinny Puppy... Posts: 618	shredder I think Shredder is the perfect enemy. Here we have someone who was bad from the beginning but he was once a normal ninja. Then he saw the right time to get rid of his master whom he obviously hated. Then he changed names just like Darth Vader, masked his face and took up a life of crime. I guess it would be too cliche if they just picked up the show where it left off eh? I never even watched the last few seasons when I left the Turtle realm for a while. __________________ "Babies? These things haven't even been BORN yet!" -Raphael

12-02-2002, 02:38 AM	#36
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well, Saki was trained to revenge his brother. Actually they used his desire of vengeance to motivate his training. True Ninja or not? Im not sure they ever said he was a ninja.

12-02-2002, 08:24 AM	#38
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yeah... I dont belive they would change the plot that much.

12-02-2002, 08:30 AM	#39
FreshRazz Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Local Sewer System Posts: 261	Gotta Love Em' They made ya laugh They made you cry they always gave it their best try tryin to make the turtles fry it's to bad them two didn't die... I'm kidding they were classic who would of guessed they'd be the best source of comic relief! Too bad they ain't in the new show! __________________ This is My Pal Shredder

12-02-2002, 10:33 AM	#40
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmm In the comic series itself, Shredder was just the leader of the New York branch of the Foot. Karai was the leader of the Foot in Japan (and thus the leader of the Foot as a whole). She claimed that Saki had diverted from the teachings and wishes of the Foot and had purused his own agenda. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)