tmnt underrated - Page 2

bedbugjones · 08-20-2005, 09:26 PM

yep the paris one i love the art in that one so cartoony i love cartoony

issue 9 i dident really like that one i love klunk but i wasent feeling it sorry

my fav is issue the one that leo is blind

Jaf · 08-21-2005, 01:26 AM

Yeah, n°5 & n°9 are my favorite tales. When Lawson is in full control, he's doing some wonderful dark and sour stories (loved TMNT vol.2 for that). One of the main reasons why TMNT is underrated is because many people expect it to be a mainstream superhero or a kiddy comic, when in fact it is an alternative, independant comic. Mirage could probably make it profitable by maintaining the small diffusion it had at first, but Laird has enough respect for TMNT readers (and I'm using «readers» instead of «fans» on purpose...) to keep it worldwide, even if it's costing him money. The rest of the franchise brings enough cash anyway. Another problem is the bad publicity that some self-proclaimed «fans» are doing to the books, always complaining about how baaaaad it is «Me die-hard TMNT fan wants action! Me wants big name comic book writers! Me wants realist art!» (Note : they did that some time ago, and it was called TMNT vol.3, it was produced by Image, and it was just plain mainstream uninspired, passion-less crap). Mirage should find europpean editors and translate it; that alone would triple the readership overnight. And they could push the political edge without getting the usual republican backlash

Space Lieutenant Josh · 08-21-2005, 11:37 AM

Yes indeed, I agree. TMNT is more art-comes-to-comics, with stories more about bitterness and being alone than anything else. I think it was in Sons of the Silent Age's lettercol that someone mentioned that TMNT are the thinking man's mutants.

bedbugjones · 08-21-2005, 12:22 PM

acually its been a while since i thinked

one of the reason its underrated is it gets almost no publisity the only magazine that features it is previews but only because they have too
no online comic sites feature it(i think)

*BigApple3AM* · 08-22-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaf

Yeah, n°5 & n°9 are my favorite tales. When Lawson is in full control, he's doing some wonderful dark and sour stories (loved TMNT vol.2 for that). One of the main reasons why TMNT is underrated is because many people expect it to be a mainstream superhero or a kiddy comic, when in fact it is an alternative, independant comic. Mirage could probably make it profitable by maintaining the small diffusion it had at first, but Laird has enough respect for TMNT readers (and I'm using «readers» instead of «fans» on purpose...) to keep it worldwide, even if it's costing him money. The rest of the franchise brings enough cash anyway. Another problem is the bad publicity that some self-proclaimed «fans» are doing to the books, always complaining about how baaaaad it is «Me die-hard TMNT fan wants action! Me wants big name comic book writers! Me wants realist art!» (Note : they did that some time ago, and it was called TMNT vol.3, it was produced by Image, and it was just plain mainstream uninspired, passion-less crap). Mirage should find europpean editors and translate it; that alone would triple the readership overnight. And they could push the political edge without getting the usual republican backlash

That's a good insight, though I think more can be done with the TMNT. I wasn't a fan of Lawson until I read his Tales work. I also appreciate all types of art after having taken a few art classes after TMNT started so I can accept Lawson's different style and even enjoy it sometimes.

After reading Eastman's Artobiography it showed how the art wasn't as great as many people make it out to be on these boards. Don't get me wrong Eastman and Laird's style is my favorite for the TMNT, though nowadays I think it might be due more to nostalgia. Both have definitely grown as artists since then, but if you know your TMNT you know the first few issues were based on Frank Miller's Ronin style which was never my favorite to begin with.

Look forward to more posts by you Jaf, you're definitely an alternative to the other posters on these boards (not that they're opinions aren't any worse, just making observation).

Jaf · 08-23-2005, 02:19 AM

Just checked in Mirage's catalog; it seems Tales aren't doing so bad after all : some issues are sold out! And guess which ones? n°5 & 9, the Lawson ones. Guess we're more out there than it shows on the forums.

08-23-2005, 02:19 AM	#26
Jaf Foot Soldier Join Date: May 2005 Location: Montréal (Québec) Posts: 106	Jim rules! Just checked in Mirage's catalog; it seems Tales aren't doing so bad after all : some issues are sold out! And guess which ones? n°5 & 9, the Lawson ones. Guess we're more out there than it shows on the forums.

08-20-2005, 09:26 PM	#21
bedbugjones Foot Soldier Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: central city Posts: 228	yep the paris one i love the art in that one so cartoony i love cartoony issue 9 i dident really like that one i love klunk but i wasent feeling it sorry my fav is issue the one that leo is blind

08-21-2005, 01:26 AM	#22
Jaf Foot Soldier Join Date: May 2005 Location: Montréal (Québec) Posts: 106	Yeah, n°5 & n°9 are my favorite tales. When Lawson is in full control, he's doing some wonderful dark and sour stories (loved TMNT vol.2 for that). One of the main reasons why TMNT is underrated is because many people expect it to be a mainstream superhero or a kiddy comic, when in fact it is an alternative, independant comic. Mirage could probably make it profitable by maintaining the small diffusion it had at first, but Laird has enough respect for TMNT readers (and I'm using «readers» instead of «fans» on purpose...) to keep it worldwide, even if it's costing him money. The rest of the franchise brings enough cash anyway. Another problem is the bad publicity that some self-proclaimed «fans» are doing to the books, always complaining about how baaaaad it is «Me die-hard TMNT fan wants action! Me wants big name comic book writers! Me wants realist art!» (Note : they did that some time ago, and it was called TMNT vol.3, it was produced by Image, and it was just plain mainstream uninspired, passion-less crap). Mirage should find europpean editors and translate it; that alone would triple the readership overnight. And they could push the political edge without getting the usual republican backlash

08-21-2005, 11:37 AM	#23
Space Lieutenant Josh Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Village of Rock'n Kick-Ass Posts: 492	Yes indeed, I agree. TMNT is more art-comes-to-comics, with stories more about bitterness and being alone than anything else. I think it was in Sons of the Silent Age's lettercol that someone mentioned that TMNT are the thinking man's mutants.

08-21-2005, 12:22 PM	#24
bedbugjones Foot Soldier Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: central city Posts: 228	acually its been a while since i thinked one of the reason its underrated is it gets almost no publisity the only magazine that features it is previews but only because they have too no online comic sites feature it(i think)