Your ideal TMNT design? - Page 2

Seurat · 12-28-2005, 09:48 PM

What can I say? I'm nostalgic. I loved the old toon turtles the best in all ways, including visually. I was so bummed when Red Sky began and the turtles had those tougher-looking eyes (Proof that you don't need to be pupil-less to look tough, folks!). I'm the type who loves comedy more than action and wit more than violence, and I believe my preference in artistic style reflects that.

*Katie* · 12-28-2005, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

Don't you think Sabacooza's turtles look very reptilian?

*still lookin for those URL's*

I agree. Sabacooza does very nice work and they have a reptilian look about them.

Also...I am but a mere herpetoculturist and my speciality is geckos. Buslady is teh resident turtle expert

.....i remember a thread in the forums at one time...and not too terribly long ago...where we were discussing turtle anatomy and, if I remember right, there were alot of anatomical drawings of real turtles that came out of it...like skeletal structure and whatnot...if you are interested Fled.

*Masked Ninja* · 12-28-2005, 10:40 PM

That would be the problem... the perfect balance between reptile/human, and scary/approachable. I think I'll have a great time following this discussion.

*Katie* · 12-28-2005, 11:16 PM

There is a very turtley Ninja turtle from the main site's Fan art Gallery. But I cannot get the link to work

{I found it by Googling Ninja Turtle Calvert} Anyway I like this guy's look.

But as you can see, he would probably not be a very agile ninja...

*Weapon X* · 12-28-2005, 11:18 PM

Here yah go.

**Jester** · 12-28-2005, 11:59 PM

Too Turtley...next!

*Katie* · 12-29-2005, 08:50 PM

Thanks Weapon X!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't quite know what was wrong

Anyway, yeah, he's very turtley....but accurate in the sense that anatomically this is how a bipedal....assuming a turtle could walk upright...would look. Check out his arms. See what I mean about how the limbs are situated?

get to reptilian and movement is a whole new ballpark

*Buslady* · 12-30-2005, 12:45 AM

EEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! CUTE LITTLE FALSE MAPPIE!!!!!!!! these are good for pets, they stay SMALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like to see how chelonian you can make a TMNT. I'm trying to design a primitve looking mutant turtle based on my wood turtles, compelte with their shell colors and red stripes and thick scales on their arms and legs...they look funny though...
If ya really wanna get into it, a turtle can not support their bodies on their back legs, they look like the could but they're not built to stand on two legs. (there is a box turtle who's an exception, she'll balance on her legs for a treat...) their pelvic girdle is fused to their shell and can't move, so I'd like to see how a mutant's skeletal structure changes over time to a moveable, less rigid pelvis enabling them to walk.

*Sage Ninja* · 12-30-2005, 02:38 AM

My favorite design would have to be Red Sky Classic turtle, followed closley by New Toon. I loved the new design they had on the turtles with the wider bandanna eye holes of the Red Sky. It was just about the collest thing about the Red Sky, plus they looked tougher and less cutsey and lost that "fluffy" look that Laird was bitching about.

I also love the look of the new toon they look so cool and so smoothly animated, and I love how graceful they are drawn when they are doing those athletic feats. I escpecially love the way their heads are drawn, Their cheeks look very proportianal to their faces and don't look overly cartoonish. Although theuir are times when the turtles make some pretty ugly facial expressions, yikes. And even though I love the new toons designs I think at times they look way too grotessically muscular. I'm all for buff warrior turtles but allot of times their physiques don't look like they belong to that of a 15/16 year old. They seriuosly have they bodies of 25 year olds.

I think thats why I like classic cartoon turtles physiques better, they where muscular and defenantly warrior/athlet looking, but they didn't look like they freaky body buliders and their physiques looked more appropriate for a teenager to have, albeit a warrior teenagers.

Fledermaus · 12-30-2005, 04:32 PM

Hmmm... Yes, I have seen such turtle designs. But the look I'm going for is distinctly pond turtle. The turtle design Weapon X and Katie were thinking of... the nose... looks like typical turtle nose, which isn't necessarily pond turtle. It is funny, tho.

The link below shows the mouth of a western pond turtle (he looks so happy)
http://iep.water.ca.gov/suisun/photo...ife/turtle.JPG

Sabacooza's work is great. It's his style, and I don't want to criticize it too much because I find it grossly interesting.

His turtles are very tough, very leathery and certainly reptilian-looking. However... that is, it is in my opinion... Ah, skip it. He's got a neat style, but I'm just not going for that look.

For this particular version of the turtles I'm working on, I'm still thinking of designs where the nose protrudes like a pond turtle's. As far as body design goes, I'd like to keep it mostly anthropomorphic, although to compensate for a strong, but agile, ninja build, I'm giving heavier, grittier textures to the skin--and especially encorporating the use of folds and wrinkles.

*Garou* · 01-02-2006, 05:09 PM

Sabacooza has a unique style indeed and I'd prefer her, what is it, computer graphic? Well, not sure, but I like those better than the ones from the original movies.

For toon animation style, I'd go with the New Toon style, though I'd sometimes wish it to be a tan different. Their faces have a lot of sharp edges, that I'm not too fond of.

The style of Masked Ninja and TigerFog are the ones I like the most (and no, I'm not paid for saying this, I mean it

). They are more fluent than the NT figures...

And I agree, the OT was very cute looking, but there were simply too many drawing mistakes for me. And I'm not talking about switching colors and such, I mean their faces. They were way too much rubber like, they could twist and turn in all directions - or so it looked like...

*Masked Ninja* · 01-02-2006, 11:38 PM

Thanks for bein' nice. The reason my style is more "fluid" than the new toon is because I agree with you: It's a good style, but a tad too pointy. But I intend to play around with some different styles and incorporate them into my own so it's not TOO obviously derived from the NT.

And I agree on the OT... cute and stuff, but they really weren't great at moving the designs around. I keep getting the impression of "Model sheets? What's that?" when I watch the OT. And the color mixups... ergh. But the style itself is adorable.

Fledermaus · 01-02-2006, 11:49 PM

NT is pointy because most of the actual character animation is NOT hand-drawn, if my memory is correct. It's some kinda cel-computery thing, to speed up the process. I think I read about it way early on from somewhere, before the show came out. The characters are actually rough 3-d models that are rendered in the final version as 2-d. At any rate, there were some commercials years ago (turtle bloopers) that showed the characters in their rough 3-d forms.

*VaughnMichael* · 01-03-2006, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fledermaus

NT is pointy because most of the actual character animation is NOT hand-drawn, if my memory is correct. It's some kinda cel-computery thing, to speed up the process. I think I read about it way early on from somewhere, before the show came out. The characters are actually rough 3-d models that are rendered in the final version as 2-d. At any rate, there were some commercials years ago (turtle bloopers) that showed the characters in their rough 3-d forms.

what! the new show is not hand drawn....ugh it's the end of the world as we know it! heh just kidding thats pretty cool actully cause I could have sworn it was...
-Putrescent

Fledermaus · 01-03-2006, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Putrescent

what! the new show is not hand drawn....ugh it's the end of the world as we know it! heh just kidding thats pretty cool actully cause I could have sworn it was...
-Putrescent

It's kinda hard to tell, since this kind of animation is Dongwoo's specialty. They use this medium on a lot of their work--although they are capable of some fine hand-drawn animation (which they probably use in conjunction with the computer models). I've seen clips of short films they've done. It can be very very beautiful, the same quality as excellent hand-drawn animation--but with a unique, exotic feel. If Korea really wants to create an animation "identity", as America has its Disney style and Japan has its anime, this or flash could be Korea's future. That is, if they lose their evil yangban management. (A.F.R.I.C.A. animation--wow

.) But that was an art piece the studio spent lots of time and resources on--not like american shows, where you must make everything as quickly as possible.

*Sage Ninja* · 01-04-2006, 12:57 AM

I'm old school I like cell animation, but I'm not entirely against 3D. At any rate I think I love the way the new toon draws the turtles heads and faces. They are so well done, but there are times when the turtles make some really freaky/scarey facial expressions. Like in the theme song when they are doing close ups of the boys faces

*Masked Ninja* · 01-04-2006, 01:58 AM

Hmm, that would explain how they're able to constantly pull off difficult shots that would take time to figure out by hand. I noticed their use of 3D models in the theme song... when Don drives up in the Sewer Slider. While the craft (which is also 3D; you can tell by the shading) is rocking, Don is very obviously 3D. When it levels out and he flashes you the thumbs-up, he's 2D again.

I wonder if they just use the 3D models for reference and trace or pattern the action after their 3D mockup (because their style has shifted ever-so-slightly since the series began... would that happen with 3D models?) Or perhaps it is 3D, but still looks hand-drawn enough because they cel-shade it by hand? It makes me want to look at concept art/ progression reels all over again for TMNT, but I doubt I'll ever see anything like that.

I don't mind 3D when it's not used just to be flashy (as it would be here...they almost try to disguise it as 2D), but I'm always an old-school, hand-drawn animation fan. They can use the compy to color it, but it starts out with a pencil and paper.

*Buslady* · 01-04-2006, 09:11 AM

hec i kinda wish they'd keep em 3-d, might look cooler..i dunno...maybe a test episode and get fan's reactions...

*Masked Ninja* · 01-04-2006, 02:03 PM

I haven't been able to catch those TMNT shorts with the 3D because the 4Kids website hates me and the browser window always closes itself when I try to play any of the movies. Anyone know somewhere else I could watch 'em? I'm interested now in seeing what they look like, especially in motion.

*Sage Ninja* · 01-04-2006, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buslady

hec i kinda wish they'd keep em 3-d, might look cooler..i dunno...maybe a test episode and get fan's reactions...

ack!! Hell No!!!

I would hate that. keep the turtles as they are. I really can't stand computer graphic characters

. I don't mind so much when it is for back ground or to improve action scenes but keep them as they are! If this series had neen computer graphic animation I would not have given this newer version of TMNT the time of day.

12-28-2005, 09:48 PM	#21
Seurat Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 143	... What can I say? I'm nostalgic. I loved the old toon turtles the best in all ways, including visually. I was so bummed when Red Sky began and the turtles had those tougher-looking eyes (Proof that you don't need to be pupil-less to look tough, folks!). I'm the type who loves comedy more than action and wit more than violence, and I believe my preference in artistic style reflects that. __________________ Don: The perimeter's quiet. Leo: Yeah, a little too quiet. Don: Well that was easy. Leo: Yeah, a little too easy. Don: Look! It's Raph! Mike: Yeah, a little too Raph!

12-28-2005, 11:16 PM	#24
Katie Just...way too serious. Join Date: May 2005 Location: purgatory Posts: 3,519	There is a very turtley Ninja turtle from the main site's Fan art Gallery. But I cannot get the link to work {I found it by Googling Ninja Turtle Calvert} Anyway I like this guy's look. But as you can see, he would probably not be a very agile ninja... __________________ THE WORLD IS JUST AWESOME

12-28-2005, 11:59 PM	#26
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Too Turtley...next! __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

12-29-2005, 08:50 PM	#27
Katie Just...way too serious. Join Date: May 2005 Location: purgatory Posts: 3,519	Thanks Weapon X!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't quite know what was wrong Anyway, yeah, he's very turtley....but accurate in the sense that anatomically this is how a bipedal....assuming a turtle could walk upright...would look. Check out his arms. See what I mean about how the limbs are situated? get to reptilian and movement is a whole new ballpark __________________ THE WORLD IS JUST AWESOME

12-30-2005, 12:45 AM	#28
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	EEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! CUTE LITTLE FALSE MAPPIE!!!!!!!! these are good for pets, they stay SMALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like to see how chelonian you can make a TMNT. I'm trying to design a primitve looking mutant turtle based on my wood turtles, compelte with their shell colors and red stripes and thick scales on their arms and legs...they look funny though... If ya really wanna get into it, a turtle can not support their bodies on their back legs, they look like the could but they're not built to stand on two legs. (there is a box turtle who's an exception, she'll balance on her legs for a treat...) their pelvic girdle is fused to their shell and can't move, so I'd like to see how a mutant's skeletal structure changes over time to a moveable, less rigid pelvis enabling them to walk. __________________ Last edited by Buslady; 12-30-2005 at 12:53 AM.

12-28-2005, 10:40 PM	#23
Masked Ninja Doodles TMNT for fun Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sploshin' through some sewer... Posts: 2,137	That would be the problem... the perfect balance between reptile/human, and scary/approachable. I think I'll have a great time following this discussion.

12-28-2005, 11:18 PM	#25
Weapon X Turtle Power! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,744	Here yah go.

12-30-2005, 02:38 AM	#29
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,926	My favorite design would have to be Red Sky Classic turtle, followed closley by New Toon. I loved the new design they had on the turtles with the wider bandanna eye holes of the Red Sky. It was just about the collest thing about the Red Sky, plus they looked tougher and less cutsey and lost that "fluffy" look that Laird was bitching about. I also love the look of the new toon they look so cool and so smoothly animated, and I love how graceful they are drawn when they are doing those athletic feats. I escpecially love the way their heads are drawn, Their cheeks look very proportianal to their faces and don't look overly cartoonish. Although theuir are times when the turtles make some pretty ugly facial expressions, yikes. And even though I love the new toons designs I think at times they look way too grotessically muscular. I'm all for buff warrior turtles but allot of times their physiques don't look like they belong to that of a 15/16 year old. They seriuosly have they bodies of 25 year olds. I think thats why I like classic cartoon turtles physiques better, they where muscular and defenantly warrior/athlet looking, but they didn't look like they freaky body buliders and their physiques looked more appropriate for a teenager to have, albeit a warrior teenagers. __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism Last edited by Sage Ninja; 01-04-2006 at 12:51 AM.

12-30-2005, 04:32 PM	#30
Fledermaus Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,115	Hmmm... Yes, I have seen such turtle designs. But the look I'm going for is distinctly pond turtle. The turtle design Weapon X and Katie were thinking of... the nose... looks like typical turtle nose, which isn't necessarily pond turtle. It is funny, tho. The link below shows the mouth of a western pond turtle (he looks so happy) http://iep.water.ca.gov/suisun/photo...ife/turtle.JPG Sabacooza's work is great. It's his style, and I don't want to criticize it too much because I find it grossly interesting. His turtles are very tough, very leathery and certainly reptilian-looking. However... that is, it is in my opinion... Ah, skip it. He's got a neat style, but I'm just not going for that look. For this particular version of the turtles I'm working on, I'm still thinking of designs where the nose protrudes like a pond turtle's. As far as body design goes, I'd like to keep it mostly anthropomorphic, although to compensate for a strong, but agile, ninja build, I'm giving heavier, grittier textures to the skin--and especially encorporating the use of folds and wrinkles. __________________ We're calling it a freeway. Eight lanes of shimmering cement running from here to Pasadena. Smooth, safe, fast. Traffic jams will be a thing of the past. I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night! Soon there will be a string of gas stations, inexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food! Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see! My God... It'll be beautiful. Last edited by Fledermaus; 12-30-2005 at 04:48 PM.

01-02-2006, 05:09 PM	#31
Garou On a X-Men: Evo trip! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: In a different and wicked reality... Posts: 1,991	Sabacooza has a unique style indeed and I'd prefer her, what is it, computer graphic? Well, not sure, but I like those better than the ones from the original movies. For toon animation style, I'd go with the New Toon style, though I'd sometimes wish it to be a tan different. Their faces have a lot of sharp edges, that I'm not too fond of. The style of Masked Ninja and TigerFog are the ones I like the most (and no, I'm not paid for saying this, I mean it ). They are more fluent than the NT figures... And I agree, the OT was very cute looking, but there were simply too many drawing mistakes for me. And I'm not talking about switching colors and such, I mean their faces. They were way too much rubber like, they could twist and turn in all directions - or so it looked like... __________________ Ferret Bureau of Investigation Last edited by Garou; 01-02-2006 at 05:15 PM.

01-02-2006, 11:38 PM	#32
Masked Ninja Doodles TMNT for fun Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sploshin' through some sewer... Posts: 2,137	Thanks for bein' nice. The reason my style is more "fluid" than the new toon is because I agree with you: It's a good style, but a tad too pointy. But I intend to play around with some different styles and incorporate them into my own so it's not TOO obviously derived from the NT. And I agree on the OT... cute and stuff, but they really weren't great at moving the designs around. I keep getting the impression of "Model sheets? What's that?" when I watch the OT. And the color mixups... ergh. But the style itself is adorable.

01-02-2006, 11:49 PM	#33
Fledermaus Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,115	NT is pointy because most of the actual character animation is NOT hand-drawn, if my memory is correct. It's some kinda cel-computery thing, to speed up the process. I think I read about it way early on from somewhere, before the show came out. The characters are actually rough 3-d models that are rendered in the final version as 2-d. At any rate, there were some commercials years ago (turtle bloopers) that showed the characters in their rough 3-d forms. __________________ We're calling it a freeway. Eight lanes of shimmering cement running from here to Pasadena. Smooth, safe, fast. Traffic jams will be a thing of the past. I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night! Soon there will be a string of gas stations, inexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food! Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see! My God... It'll be beautiful.

01-04-2006, 12:57 AM	#36
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,926	I'm old school I like cell animation, but I'm not entirely against 3D. At any rate I think I love the way the new toon draws the turtles heads and faces. They are so well done, but there are times when the turtles make some really freaky/scarey facial expressions. Like in the theme song when they are doing close ups of the boys faces __________________ Cassandra: You won't fight me, but will you fight--for him! Cassandra's Revenge ~Tangled the Series ________________________________ http://frankviola.org/2012/01/30/godsviewofawoman/ _______________________________ http://nox-artemis.tumblr.com/post/4...k-and-feminism

01-04-2006, 01:58 AM	#37
Masked Ninja Doodles TMNT for fun Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sploshin' through some sewer... Posts: 2,137	Hmm, that would explain how they're able to constantly pull off difficult shots that would take time to figure out by hand. I noticed their use of 3D models in the theme song... when Don drives up in the Sewer Slider. While the craft (which is also 3D; you can tell by the shading) is rocking, Don is very obviously 3D. When it levels out and he flashes you the thumbs-up, he's 2D again. I wonder if they just use the 3D models for reference and trace or pattern the action after their 3D mockup (because their style has shifted ever-so-slightly since the series began... would that happen with 3D models?) Or perhaps it is 3D, but still looks hand-drawn enough because they cel-shade it by hand? It makes me want to look at concept art/ progression reels all over again for TMNT, but I doubt I'll ever see anything like that. I don't mind 3D when it's not used just to be flashy (as it would be here...they almost try to disguise it as 2D), but I'm always an old-school, hand-drawn animation fan. They can use the compy to color it, but it starts out with a pencil and paper. Last edited by Masked Ninja; 01-04-2006 at 02:03 AM.

01-04-2006, 09:11 AM	#38
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	hec i kinda wish they'd keep em 3-d, might look cooler..i dunno...maybe a test episode and get fan's reactions... __________________

01-04-2006, 02:03 PM	#39
Masked Ninja Doodles TMNT for fun Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sploshin' through some sewer... Posts: 2,137	I haven't been able to catch those TMNT shorts with the 3D because the 4Kids website hates me and the browser window always closes itself when I try to play any of the movies. Anyone know somewhere else I could watch 'em? I'm interested now in seeing what they look like, especially in motion.