What is wrong with Sonic. - Page 2

Jed · 01-11-2006, 11:15 AM

If you have the Sonic 2 BETA rom (I'd offer it, but it's against forum rules) just use the Sonic 1 level select (hold A, up, down, left, right then start) on the main menu and you can pick the Hidden Palace in there (along with other levels that aren't finished but nothing exists in them).

As to the seventh emerald, I think in-game logic was just to explain why Sonic couldn't change to Super Sonic in the first game but he could in the second, he needed the 7th emerald. In the Fleetway Comics it was the Master Emerald, hidden away on the Floating Island and guarded by Knuckles, so obviously Sonic wouldn't have known about it in Sonic 1 (or Sonic 2 for that matter, but it's not like the stories were exactly coherent back in the Megadrive era). As for the Archie Comics, I don't know, never read them.

So I think your best bet for the reason is my first answer, in-game logic

BlueSonnet · 01-11-2006, 02:46 PM

At first like most people here the main thing that i don't like about the recent sonic games is what i call the holding-hands-crap (eg soni heroes) which i suppose i should say with caution since Mario seems to have gotten away with it in his time. Perhaps i'm just nostalgic when remembering the sonic the hedgehog. Mind you on a minor note Sonic's isn't so much the fastest thing alive if he has to slow down for his buddies to catch up. Why don't they stay home? XP

But seriously i always thought Shadow was just a pale recolour and don't think Sega should have milked him any further after SA 2. I think if anything they should try giving the blue pin-cushion some completely new villians to breath fresh air into the series. Marios had about a dozen from Bowser to Wario, Donkey kong to Dennis Hopper, whilst Sonic has only had about 5. About 20 games on and Dr Eggman still hasn't done nothing. =P

Btw i could swear Dr Eggman was always the name for the guy but was switched to Robotnik in the early days in Sonic's life at the west, only to be switched back to Eggman for Sonic adventure onwards. I Kinda like Robotnik myself, but i guess now i find it easier to distuinguish between game Eggman and AoStH\SaTaM Robotnik. (didn't think those shows were too bad mind. just needed getting used to)

And like most people i don't like the Sonic X dub much. It's no good!

**ThirdMarioBro** · 01-11-2006, 03:20 PM

Yeah, Eggman was his original name in Japan. They changed it to Eggman, but had him refer to himself as Robitnik in both the American and Japanese scripts. They treat Eggman as a nickname now, but use it in almost all situations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic adventure script

Fat Man: I am Doctor Ivo Robotnik, the greatest scientific genius in the world!

Sonic: Whatever you say Eggman.

Fat Man: FOOLS!

*XERO* · 01-11-2006, 06:32 PM

I prefer the name 'Robotnik.' It's just more in sync with the character. Makes him more menacing.

~~Turtledude2k3~~ · 01-12-2006, 01:42 AM

I used to own sonic mega collection for gamecube and I can those games on the collection were better than the new ones. i like sonic adventure 1+2 and heros but sonic 1-3 are my favroite.. Why..

1-collecting as many rings.. lots of time I like to collect as much rings as I can

2-the classic music! oh the music is really good I actually have a cd filled with awesome sonic music from the genesis

3-no story required. sonic 1-3 had a classic style which is find the emeralds, defeat the bad doctor and save the day. good enough.

4-the secrets.. finding those paths, multiple playthrough to find paths you didn't find before

5-the emeralds special stages
I remember how hard it was to get those emeralds in sonic 1 and 2.. boy the 2nd one was tough by the tiem I was going for the final 3..

Serp · 01-12-2006, 01:17 PM

I can understand why people feel the way they do about The Sonic series now. Though I really do like Sonic Adventure, I could have done without Big The Cat, Amy's and Knuckles parts. I did like E-102's parts but it really wasn't needed. Sonic Adventure 2 wasn't horrible at all, but it seemed to be missing something. I found Sonic Adventure team a bit boring from what little I've played.

*Drtooth* · 01-12-2006, 01:27 PM

Semi-on topic, but does the name "Robotnik" have a special meaning? Is it a refference to something or someone?

Also, why has Robotnik changed to "Eggman", but they can't change Bowser to Koopa? Always hated that name for him.

*Kid Icarus* · 01-12-2006, 01:37 PM

Heh, I like Koopa more then Bowser, actually... just because of how the announcer says it in SSBM. But that's way off topic there.

As has been said recently... ring collection and emerald collection stages are badly needed again.

And Robotnik is just a clever way of using Robot in his name. Perhaps it's sorta like... Robot nickname? Hah, dunno.

*XERO* · 01-12-2006, 02:53 PM

I remember in the first game manual, it was 'Kintobor.' I forget what happened after that...

BlueSonnet · 01-12-2006, 03:33 PM

Well in the the fleetway comic (STC) they played around with that idea. When he was a good guy he was Kintobor, then an experiment went wrong and he became the evil robotnik.

*DrSpengler* · 01-12-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

Semi-on topic, but does the name "Robotnik" have a special meaning? Is it a refference to something or someone?

Also, why has Robotnik changed to "Eggman", but they can't change Bowser to Koopa? Always hated that name for him.

In Japan his name was "Eggman" from day 1. In America they thought the name was too silly so they changed it to Dr. Ivo Robotnik.

When the Adventure games came around they brought CGI cutscenes with them. Because of that, "Robotnik" wouldn't fit the lipsunc (since they were saying "Eggman"). So for the SA1 manual they said that "Eggman" was just a nickname the characters used.

When SA2 came around, the creators decided to give America a break and created the character of Dr. Gerald Robotnik, thus revealing that Eggman's real name is Ivo Robotnik (working the name Robotnik into Japanese continuity).

They still haven't worked out the "Mobius" thing, though. In Japan the games take place on Earth while the American games said it was the alien planet Mobius. The Archie comic revealed that Mobius is actually Earth in the distant future. Maybe they'll play that angle. I dunno.

And in the original American manual for Super Mario Bros. they listed the character as "Bowser, King of the Koopas". For some reason, the Super Mario cartoons chose to call him "King Koopa" instead of Bowser.

So he has been called Koopa in the American Mario media quite a few times. We just usually put "King" before it.

Turtle Dove · 01-12-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jed

If you have the Sonic 2 BETA rom (I'd offer it, but it's against forum rules) just use the Sonic 1 level select (hold A, up, down, left, right then start) on the main menu and you can pick the Hidden Palace in there (along with other levels that aren't finished but nothing exists in them).

As to the seventh emerald, I think in-game logic was just to explain why Sonic couldn't change to Super Sonic in the first game but he could in the second, he needed the 7th emerald. In the Fleetway Comics it was the Master Emerald, hidden away on the Floating Island and guarded by Knuckles, so obviously Sonic wouldn't have known about it in Sonic 1 (or Sonic 2 for that matter, but it's not like the stories were exactly coherent back in the Megadrive era). As for the Archie Comics, I don't know, never read them.

So I think your best bet for the reason is my first answer, in-game logic

What?! Oh man I need to buy these new things!

Now here is my question what was everyone's all time fav based on the orignal 5? Sonic 1,2,3, Sonic Spinball,Sonic and Knuckles. Personally I LOVED Spinball but that took some patience and damn you HAD to be quick

*XERO* · 01-12-2006, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrSpengler

And in the original American manual for Super Mario Bros. they listed the character as "Bowser, King of the Koopas". For some reason, the Super Mario cartoons chose to call him "King Koopa" instead of Bowser.

So he has been called Koopa in the American Mario media quite a few times. We just usually put "King" before it.

Is it that hard to just call him King Bowser Koopa?

**ThirdMarioBro** · 01-12-2006, 09:49 PM

From what I knew, it's King Morton Boswer Koopa. Meh, dosen't matter I guess.

Jed · 01-13-2006, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle Dove

What?! Oh man I need to buy these new things!

Now here is my question what was everyone's all time fav based on the orignal 5? Sonic 1,2,3, Sonic Spinball,Sonic and Knuckles. Personally I LOVED Spinball but that took some patience and damn you HAD to be quick

You can't buy the beta version legally, only ROMs or messed pirate copies have it.

My favorite's Sonic3&Knuckles, huge game, great music, great animation, great level design... just brilliant all-around!

*DrSpengler* · 01-13-2006, 11:40 AM

I preferred Sonic & Knuckles as it was kinda the "Grand finale" to the story arc they'd started in Sonic 2 (and maybe a little in Sonic 1, though that was ore ofa template).

Sonic & Knuckles was kinda the zenith of everything they'd been working on since the original, and more specifically, everything I think made the Genesis games great.

Humongous level designs, lots of secrets, and the choice to play through each level with the different characters and utlize their various skills to find new paths and move along a different story.

Also, just a thought, I kinda like Knuckles better when he was a badguy (Sonic 3, Sonic Triple Trouble, and Sonic & Knuckles). Whenever he'd randomly show up to get in your way, accompanied by his own catchy theme song, I thought he was just a cool villain. Almost a shame he's a good guy now.

Serp · 01-13-2006, 01:35 PM

I really didn't like the find the Emeralds parts that Knuckles and Rouge had to do, and I can agree a bit with the above poster. I like it when knuckles was sort of on is own team and a bit of a loner, When he team'd with sonic because he had to, not because they were really friends.

What did you guys think of Sonic 3D blast? I never really played it.

BTW I prefer the name Robotnik to Eggman. Robotnik sounds menacing, Eggman sounds like an insult.

*XERO* · 01-13-2006, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Creeper

What did you guys think of Sonic 3D blast? I never really played it.

Personally, I thought that Sonic 3D Blast was limited. I mean, it was okay and a nice idea, but it just didn't feel right. Also, getting all of the Chaos Emeralds didn't turn you into Super Sonic. What's up with that?!

However, the music was pretty cool. Especially Volcano Valley Zone.

Jo269976 · 02-23-2006, 11:25 AM

Three things Wrong with Sonic The Hedgehog Now:

1. He Talks With a voice that makes you want to go on Robotniks side
2. To Many Characters!
3. He's too fast for a 3D game, you have no control

lucky dip

4. The Special Stages just make you want to slit your wrists

*XERO* · 02-23-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo_Rulez

3. He's too fast for a 3D game, you have no control

Heh, I wish.

I've gotten so used to the speed frames, I'm actually PRAYING that the new game coming out will burn my retinas.

I have a need for speed that only F-Zero GX come closest to clinching.

What I'm saying is, Sonic in 3D is not as fast as I thought it would be, in my opinion. Maybe it's because I played the games so much that I've gotten used to it.

But you're right about the control part. Especially when friggin' glitches makes you fall through loops and plummet to your cheap death.

01-11-2006, 11:15 AM	#21
Jed Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 956	If you have the Sonic 2 BETA rom (I'd offer it, but it's against forum rules) just use the Sonic 1 level select (hold A, up, down, left, right then start) on the main menu and you can pick the Hidden Palace in there (along with other levels that aren't finished but nothing exists in them). As to the seventh emerald, I think in-game logic was just to explain why Sonic couldn't change to Super Sonic in the first game but he could in the second, he needed the 7th emerald. In the Fleetway Comics it was the Master Emerald, hidden away on the Floating Island and guarded by Knuckles, so obviously Sonic wouldn't have known about it in Sonic 1 (or Sonic 2 for that matter, but it's not like the stories were exactly coherent back in the Megadrive era). As for the Archie Comics, I don't know, never read them. So I think your best bet for the reason is my first answer, in-game logic __________________ I am Frank-Zappa-as-imagined-by-the-editor-of-a-famous-rock-&-roll-magazine. I am an anachronism who makes the ugliest music on the planet. I have no right to call myself a member of the human race. I am tasteless, untalented, pompous, arrogant, cruel, insensitive, vulgar and not a fun guy because I don't use drugs.

01-11-2006, 02:46 PM	#22
BlueSonnet Random Punk Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Britain Posts: 44	At first like most people here the main thing that i don't like about the recent sonic games is what i call the holding-hands-crap (eg soni heroes) which i suppose i should say with caution since Mario seems to have gotten away with it in his time. Perhaps i'm just nostalgic when remembering the sonic the hedgehog. Mind you on a minor note Sonic's isn't so much the fastest thing alive if he has to slow down for his buddies to catch up. Why don't they stay home? XP But seriously i always thought Shadow was just a pale recolour and don't think Sega should have milked him any further after SA 2. I think if anything they should try giving the blue pin-cushion some completely new villians to breath fresh air into the series. Marios had about a dozen from Bowser to Wario, Donkey kong to Dennis Hopper, whilst Sonic has only had about 5. About 20 games on and Dr Eggman still hasn't done nothing. =P Btw i could swear Dr Eggman was always the name for the guy but was switched to Robotnik in the early days in Sonic's life at the west, only to be switched back to Eggman for Sonic adventure onwards. I Kinda like Robotnik myself, but i guess now i find it easier to distuinguish between game Eggman and AoStH\SaTaM Robotnik. (didn't think those shows were too bad mind. just needed getting used to) And like most people i don't like the Sonic X dub much. It's no good! __________________ Shake a leg! Last edited by BlueSonnet; 01-11-2006 at 02:58 PM.

01-11-2006, 06:32 PM	#24
XERO Hybrid Theorist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Alamo City Posts: 8,185	I prefer the name 'Robotnik.' It's just more in sync with the character. Makes him more menacing. __________________ "Travel at the speed of light... then hit the nitro!"

01-12-2006, 01:27 PM	#27
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	Semi-on topic, but does the name "Robotnik" have a special meaning? Is it a refference to something or someone? Also, why has Robotnik changed to "Eggman", but they can't change Bowser to Koopa? Always hated that name for him. __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

01-12-2006, 02:53 PM	#29
XERO Hybrid Theorist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Alamo City Posts: 8,185	I remember in the first game manual, it was 'Kintobor.' I forget what happened after that... __________________ "Travel at the speed of light... then hit the nitro!"

01-12-2006, 01:42 AM	#25
~~Turtledude2k3~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada, BC Posts: 783	I used to own sonic mega collection for gamecube and I can those games on the collection were better than the new ones. i like sonic adventure 1+2 and heros but sonic 1-3 are my favroite.. Why.. 1-collecting as many rings.. lots of time I like to collect as much rings as I can 2-the classic music! oh the music is really good I actually have a cd filled with awesome sonic music from the genesis 3-no story required. sonic 1-3 had a classic style which is find the emeralds, defeat the bad doctor and save the day. good enough. 4-the secrets.. finding those paths, multiple playthrough to find paths you didn't find before 5-the emeralds special stages I remember how hard it was to get those emeralds in sonic 1 and 2.. boy the 2nd one was tough by the tiem I was going for the final 3..

01-12-2006, 01:17 PM	#26
Serp Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 362	I can understand why people feel the way they do about The Sonic series now. Though I really do like Sonic Adventure, I could have done without Big The Cat, Amy's and Knuckles parts. I did like E-102's parts but it really wasn't needed. Sonic Adventure 2 wasn't horrible at all, but it seemed to be missing something. I found Sonic Adventure team a bit boring from what little I've played.

01-12-2006, 01:37 PM	#28
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	Heh, I like Koopa more then Bowser, actually... just because of how the announcer says it in SSBM. But that's way off topic there. As has been said recently... ring collection and emerald collection stages are badly needed again. And Robotnik is just a clever way of using Robot in his name. Perhaps it's sorta like... Robot nickname? Hah, dunno.

01-12-2006, 03:33 PM	#30
BlueSonnet Random Punk Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Britain Posts: 44	Well in the the fleetway comic (STC) they played around with that idea. When he was a good guy he was Kintobor, then an experiment went wrong and he became the evil robotnik. __________________ Shake a leg!

01-12-2006, 09:49 PM	#34
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	From what I knew, it's King Morton Boswer Koopa. Meh, dosen't matter I guess. __________________

01-13-2006, 11:40 AM	#36
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	I preferred Sonic & Knuckles as it was kinda the "Grand finale" to the story arc they'd started in Sonic 2 (and maybe a little in Sonic 1, though that was ore ofa template). Sonic & Knuckles was kinda the zenith of everything they'd been working on since the original, and more specifically, everything I think made the Genesis games great. Humongous level designs, lots of secrets, and the choice to play through each level with the different characters and utlize their various skills to find new paths and move along a different story. Also, just a thought, I kinda like Knuckles better when he was a badguy (Sonic 3, Sonic Triple Trouble, and Sonic & Knuckles). Whenever he'd randomly show up to get in your way, accompanied by his own catchy theme song, I thought he was just a cool villain. Almost a shame he's a good guy now.

01-13-2006, 01:35 PM	#37
Serp Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 362	I really didn't like the find the Emeralds parts that Knuckles and Rouge had to do, and I can agree a bit with the above poster. I like it when knuckles was sort of on is own team and a bit of a loner, When he team'd with sonic because he had to, not because they were really friends. What did you guys think of Sonic 3D blast? I never really played it. BTW I prefer the name Robotnik to Eggman. Robotnik sounds menacing, Eggman sounds like an insult.

02-23-2006, 11:25 AM	#39
Jo269976 Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Arkham Asylum Posts: 592	Three things Wrong with Sonic The Hedgehog Now: 1. He Talks With a voice that makes you want to go on Robotniks side 2. To Many Characters! 3. He's too fast for a 3D game, you have no control lucky dip 4. The Special Stages just make you want to slit your wrists __________________