Puppies Smuggling Drugs - Page 2

Fledermaus · 02-04-2006, 07:41 PM

Ah yes, so many things in this world are stupid, silly, and irrelevent. Thankfully, we have hip cats to point out the absurdity of it all.

When it comes down to it, go by your own sense of right and wrong. Even if you aren't as eloquent, only you know what you believe and why you believe it. The stuff that gets spouted off here doesn't come from people who are any more worthy than you to make decisions. I can't tell you what you should believe -- I only hope you start asking questions.

Now then...

As I said before, I don't blame the farmers who grow the stuff. I blame the entire cycle of drugs -- idiots who squander their lives and their money. Gangs, druglords... Pity them? Help them? How much shall we invest into helping the "sick?" How much do we have to tolerate? Why should we let ourselves get raped by these kinds of people? What is it we owe them?

I've heard lots of reasonable individuals debate that the death penalty should not be outlawed because it costs more money to feed prisoners and keep them healthy and give them books and entertainment. Then I've heard it's more expensive to kill criminals because prisoners have to wait for a long time and there are more trials for some reason and the lethal injection costs lots of money to prepare. And most of the time, so I've heard, the wrong people are killed.

The greater problem it seems to me, is not the killing, but the judicial system. I've seen many fairly decent guys do time and have their whole lives scarred because they made tiny mistakes-- honestly had no idea they were doing something wrong. Often times, the accusors were jerks themselves who just wanted money and/or were backstabbing pricks (I have had several good friends suffer because of this.) Others who go to prison, released after one year, do the same old **** they did before, go back for a year, get released, go back, wash and repeat.

In the end, while we reason this all out with our superior intellect, at a safe distance from it all, puppies and kids in the ghetto get shot, raped, beaten, so controlled by drugs they wake up dead in the gutter.

Peanut · 02-04-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Anarky

I don't think they wanted to kill the dogs. They wanted them to live, because no one wants to import dead animals. If some died, it was an accident. Same goes for a bug on a windshield. You don't want to kill it, but it was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And killing a bug isn't selfish? You know that it could happen when you drive your car, but you still use your car so that you get from A to B. The bug dies a useless death, just like the drug-puppies.

The point is you're comparing puppies and BUGS! Half the time you don't know they're there. I'm not walking out into the street and stepping on every ant I can see. They're small and insignificant. You take the whole "eye for an eye" thing waaaaay overboard, which is what you seem to do in most situations with all figures of speech. How could you possibly come to the conclusion that under the circumstances of "eye for an eye", someone who cuts open a dog to transport drugs and someone who accidently steps on an ant are equally worthy of the same punishment?

*Anarky* · 02-04-2006, 09:26 PM

So a bug is less alive than a dog? And blowing a life/death-scenario out of proportion seems kinda hard. Basically, you tell me that I should let you people threaten to torture and kill people and then saying "I did the right thing" without making them aware of the obvious fact that they're no better?

The columbians don't want the dogs to die, since nobody wants to import dead animals. If they should die, then it's an accident. Just like you trampling on an ant. Both animals were alive, both were killed by accident. Eye for an eye, you should be stomped to death.

Peanut · 02-04-2006, 10:30 PM

They cut up dogs to transport drugs! It doesn't matter if they didn't want them to die. What do you think they'd have done with the dogs once they needed to get the drugs back out? Give them to a nice family and let them live happily?

As for the whole "living creatures" thing. You, and anyone else for that matter, can go on thinking one life is just as important as another, but it isn't. Go ahead and think that. Be that niave, but there is more importance to the life of one being over another. No matter what anyone thinks, or what ethics and standards they stand for. Are you going to save the life of an ant or a puppy? Which one do you care about more? If you accidently run over an ant in your car, will you care? Be honest. You won't. You probably won't even know. What about if you hit a puppy? You'd probably be pretty tore up about it.

My point? All lives are not equal. The exception to the rule, of course, being human life. Which, I believe, should proceed all things, including animals. Unless that human lives a life of cruelty and disgust. Much like the ones who're cutting up puppies to export one of the many banes of human exsistance. If you're messed up enough to do something like that, you're of absolutley no use to mankind.

*JameO* · 02-04-2006, 10:37 PM

Yeah, I don't know, just gutting them and stuffing drugs in there and getting out, I dont think they want them to be loyal pets and just be fine, either way they deserve death. I don't care what anyone says, you commit a good enough crime, death penalty for you, it would scare people to not do stupid things. You think people would steal if they knew id be 25 to life, no way in hell. Death penalty should be brought to Canada, seeing how there is so many people in the Keele Center near by here in Toronto, where there is murderers and rapists that have multiple offenses, and they are guarded by two old police retired guards, aint that great, and they say, "don't try to escape from the windows, we leave the doors unlocked". Yeah thats great, you do the deed, pay for torture. I dislike the way the death penalty works, you kill a person and put their family through so much pain, you deserve torture beyond belief, every single thing, beaten, stabbed, lit on fire, drowned, the whole works, basically left as a vegetable, as they call them. Im not saying that if you hit someone in a car accident you deserve death, but if it's intentional, death will come to you!

*Sewer Bull* · 02-05-2006, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JameO

You think people would steal if they knew id be 25 to life, no way in hell.

It doesn't work that way. When someone committs a crime, he doesn't take into consideration the possibility of being punished later on. He just... does it and hopes he will not be caught. He doesn't think like "CHRIST, I may f**k my whole life up if I steal or kill and they arrest me". He just tries not to be arrested. Simple.

Despite capital punishment, murders still occur, even in the U.S. or in the other countries that still allow that penalty.

*Mecha Cow* · 02-05-2006, 10:39 AM

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All lives are not equal.

All life is still valueable though. Not trying to start an argument or anything, just something that I feel needs to be added.

Anyway, I think we can all agree that hurting and abusing animals for your own purposes is disgusting; let's not argue about how these criminals should be punished. The authorities will deal with them.

Ra · 02-05-2006, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow

Anyway, I think we can all agree that hurting and abusing animals for your own purposes is disgusting; let's not argue about how these criminals should be punished. The authorities will deal with them.

*applaudes* FINALLY! A voice of reason!

*JameO* · 02-05-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ra

*applaudes* FINALLY! A voice of reason!

Thats the problem though, the authority doesnt know what they are doing, I don't believe in second chances if you commit a serious crime, you give up your right to live when you take someone elses.

Ra · 02-06-2006, 08:50 PM

I'll be frank - I don't really belive in second chances either, but right now everyone is going for each other's throats. Mecha is right about letting the authorities dealing with them. Sure, they may not know what they are doing, but they aren't exactly going to put them on death row or on trial without any hard core evidence to accuse them with or anything. They will find something to pin on them sooner or later. Besides, who are we into playing God? Or Osiris? Let them decide what fate awaits these guys

Besides, I hate it when people do things like this to animals. My outlook on this will just be one-sided. And I'm sure that will go for at least one other person as well. So please, let us not rip at each other's throats for thinking of a suitible punishment for these misrible drug-atticts. I've quoted this once and I'll quote it again -

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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow

The authorities will deal with them

*iris* · 02-06-2006, 10:34 PM

Reading this thread, I find myself thanking heaven that nobody went on a puppy-torturing spree right before they had to pass the eigth ammendment. That's the one with the part banning cruel and unusual punishment, btw.

I don't think anyone would be reacting like this if the story were about kid goats instead of puppies. Nobody cares about goats; they're stinky and always try to eat your shirt, so obviously their lives are forfeit.

If you heartily disapprove of the treatment of animals in this story and yet you...
a) eat, use, wear, buy, or sell any mammal-derived product
b) use modern FDA-approved pharmaceuticals or vaccines
c) have purchased pups or similar pets from pet stores or other unaccredited outlets
... then I am afraid that you are probably a hypocrite.

I think that wanton animal abuse deserves punishment, but I'm not going to pretend moral outrage considering what we accept as a society. Especially considering the treatment that we accept for our own species. How can you expect people to be kind to animals when we can't even be kind to ourselves?

02-04-2006, 07:41 PM	#21
Fledermaus Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,115	Ah yes, so many things in this world are stupid, silly, and irrelevent. Thankfully, we have hip cats to point out the absurdity of it all. When it comes down to it, go by your own sense of right and wrong. Even if you aren't as eloquent, only you know what you believe and why you believe it. The stuff that gets spouted off here doesn't come from people who are any more worthy than you to make decisions. I can't tell you what you should believe -- I only hope you start asking questions. Now then... As I said before, I don't blame the farmers who grow the stuff. I blame the entire cycle of drugs -- idiots who squander their lives and their money. Gangs, druglords... Pity them? Help them? How much shall we invest into helping the "sick?" How much do we have to tolerate? Why should we let ourselves get raped by these kinds of people? What is it we owe them? I've heard lots of reasonable individuals debate that the death penalty should not be outlawed because it costs more money to feed prisoners and keep them healthy and give them books and entertainment. Then I've heard it's more expensive to kill criminals because prisoners have to wait for a long time and there are more trials for some reason and the lethal injection costs lots of money to prepare. And most of the time, so I've heard, the wrong people are killed. The greater problem it seems to me, is not the killing, but the judicial system. I've seen many fairly decent guys do time and have their whole lives scarred because they made tiny mistakes-- honestly had no idea they were doing something wrong. Often times, the accusors were jerks themselves who just wanted money and/or were backstabbing pricks (I have had several good friends suffer because of this.) Others who go to prison, released after one year, do the same old ** they did before, go back for a year, get released, go back, wash and repeat. In the end, while we reason this all out with our superior intellect, at a safe distance from it all, puppies and kids in the ghetto get shot, raped, beaten, so controlled by drugs they wake up dead in the gutter. __________________ We're calling it a freeway. Eight lanes of shimmering cement running from here to Pasadena. Smooth, safe, fast. Traffic jams will be a thing of the past. I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night! Soon there will be a string of gas stations, inexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food! Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful** billboards reaching as far as the eye can see! My God... It'll be beautiful.

02-04-2006, 09:26 PM	#23
Anarky Outlaw Hero Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tannhauser Gate Posts: 4,867	So a bug is less alive than a dog? And blowing a life/death-scenario out of proportion seems kinda hard. Basically, you tell me that I should let you people threaten to torture and kill people and then saying "I did the right thing" without making them aware of the obvious fact that they're no better? The columbians don't want the dogs to die, since nobody wants to import dead animals. If they should die, then it's an accident. Just like you trampling on an ant. Both animals were alive, both were killed by accident. Eye for an eye, you should be stomped to death. __________________ Because it's... I dunno... brutal.

02-04-2006, 10:37 PM	#25
JameO Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,753	Yeah, I don't know, just gutting them and stuffing drugs in there and getting out, I dont think they want them to be loyal pets and just be fine, either way they deserve death. I don't care what anyone says, you commit a good enough crime, death penalty for you, it would scare people to not do stupid things. You think people would steal if they knew id be 25 to life, no way in hell. Death penalty should be brought to Canada, seeing how there is so many people in the Keele Center near by here in Toronto, where there is murderers and rapists that have multiple offenses, and they are guarded by two old police retired guards, aint that great, and they say, "don't try to escape from the windows, we leave the doors unlocked". Yeah thats great, you do the deed, pay for torture. I dislike the way the death penalty works, you kill a person and put their family through so much pain, you deserve torture beyond belief, every single thing, beaten, stabbed, lit on fire, drowned, the whole works, basically left as a vegetable, as they call them. Im not saying that if you hit someone in a car accident you deserve death, but if it's intentional, death will come to you! __________________ "Lie, Cheat & Steal, Atleast I'm Honest"

02-06-2006, 10:34 PM	#31
iris moddy mod mod Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: finally escaped the lab Posts: 1,886	Reading this thread, I find myself thanking heaven that nobody went on a puppy-torturing spree right before they had to pass the eigth ammendment. That's the one with the part banning cruel and unusual punishment, btw. I don't think anyone would be reacting like this if the story were about kid goats instead of puppies. Nobody cares about goats; they're stinky and always try to eat your shirt, so obviously their lives are forfeit. If you heartily disapprove of the treatment of animals in this story and yet you... a) eat, use, wear, buy, or sell any mammal-derived product b) use modern FDA-approved pharmaceuticals or vaccines c) have purchased pups or similar pets from pet stores or other unaccredited outlets ... then I am afraid that you are probably a hypocrite. I think that wanton animal abuse deserves punishment, but I'm not going to pretend moral outrage considering what we accept as a society. Especially considering the treatment that we accept for our own species. How can you expect people to be kind to animals when we can't even be kind to ourselves? __________________ Appeal to nobler motives. Like pie. [ life is at best bitter sweet ]

02-04-2006, 10:30 PM	#24
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	They cut up dogs to transport drugs! It doesn't matter if they didn't want them to die. What do you think they'd have done with the dogs once they needed to get the drugs back out? Give them to a nice family and let them live happily? As for the whole "living creatures" thing. You, and anyone else for that matter, can go on thinking one life is just as important as another, but it isn't. Go ahead and think that. Be that niave, but there is more importance to the life of one being over another. No matter what anyone thinks, or what ethics and standards they stand for. Are you going to save the life of an ant or a puppy? Which one do you care about more? If you accidently run over an ant in your car, will you care? Be honest. You won't. You probably won't even know. What about if you hit a puppy? You'd probably be pretty tore up about it. My point? All lives are not equal. The exception to the rule, of course, being human life. Which, I believe, should proceed all things, including animals. Unless that human lives a life of cruelty and disgust. Much like the ones who're cutting up puppies to export one of the many banes of human exsistance. If you're messed up enough to do something like that, you're of absolutley no use to mankind.