Next Gen Consoles: Price Time! Here's my opinion - Page 2

Peanut · 05-14-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ecto Jedi

You're all entitled to your opinions, I'll give you that much. For the sake of being nice here, Peanut and Gwgtrunks, you make a few valid points, I guess. However, instead of trying to rip apart the other consoles (based solely on the company name behind the thing, I suspect), perhaps we should be shouting out praise for the ones we're looking forward to?

You're looking at this as if I'm a completely biased person. I own a PS2, I've owned a PS2 since pretty close to the launch of the damn thing. I still play it. I don't love companies. I love games, but Sony's being abusive. They're so overly cocky that they think they can charge whatever they want, and the idiots will eat it up.

BTW, want to mention which of my points wasn't valid? I don't think you can without a not so good answer.

*Ecto Jedi* · 05-14-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

BTW, want to mention which of my points wasn't valid? I don't think you can without a not so good answer.

I've already stated all of my opinions, and you've stated all of yours. I doubt that anything I say will make you change your mind, seeing as how our opinions are basically exact opposites when it comes to the PS3, e.g.:

I said the PS3 would have great games, you said it wouldn't.

I applauded the PS3 for including PSP and EyeToy support -- but you said they'd be nothing more than gimmicks.

I said the PS3 graphics would be kick-*ss, you said they wouldn't be a lot better than the 360's.

I mentioned Blu-Ray technology and the fact that the PS3 will support the format (all the games will ship on Blu-Ray discs, I've heard) -- you said 'whoopie.'

This is turning out to be an incredible night; rebuttles, attacks, challenges...What next?

~~Toonami Tom~~ · 05-14-2006, 06:30 PM

Personally I'm not a Sony Playstation hater. I love my Playstation 2, the last 3 games I bought were all for PS2. I don't have a PSP though, and I don't plan on buying one. Since I already have XBox 360, I see no need to buy a PS3 becasue of the price. I'm super hyped for Wii.

*Ecto Jedi* · 05-14-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Turtle_in_the_Shell

Personally I'm not a Sony Playstation hater. I love my Playstation 2, the last 3 games I bought were all for PS2. I don't have a PSP though, and I don't plan on buying one. Since I already have XBox 360, I see no need to buy a PS3 becasue of the price. I'm super hyped for Wii.

Initially I wasn't particularly thrilled about the Nintendo Wii (took a little while to get over the name, quite frankly) and its newfangled controller (looked a little awkward to me), but from what I'm hearing over the Internet and seeing on G4's live coverage of E3, I'm getting more and more excited for Nintendo's latest endeavor. The low price point is just sweetening the deal.

One particular aspect of the Wii I'm not excited about, however, is the game download service -- coming from a guy who's spent countless hours rummaging through dingy pawn shops and flea markets for old carts, there's nothing quite like powering up your dusty old NES and playing a few hours of Battletoads on the classic system. I have an inkling that playing old games on the Wii just won't be the same...I could be wrong about that, though.

I currently own both a PS2 and PSP, and I can say that I enjoy both. The PS2's given me five years of wonderful gaming, and I can't really say that I've missed out on any great gaming experiences. Nothing exclusive to the X-Box or Gamecube has ever really begged my attention. As for the PSP, I really should get a bigger memory stick so I could lug around some more tunes...Other than that, I'm happy as a clam.

Peanut · 05-14-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ecto Jedi

The PS2's given me five years of wonderful gaming, and I can't really say that I've missed out on any great gaming experiences. Nothing exclusive to the X-Box or Gamecube has ever really begged my attention.

I'm sorry, but...no. I mean...just...no. At first I was taking your comments about the PS3 as someone who liked all games, but wanted a PS3 the most. Now I see the true colours. To say that the Xbox and Gamecube had no great gaming experiences is ridiculous. That, along with the fact that you think the PSP is a good handheld, and that you get your gaming news from G4, paints a really really bad picture.

*Raven* · 05-14-2006, 07:00 PM

I guess the 3D chip the PS3 is using is worth around 500 alone...er, so I guess thats one of the reason of why its so high.

I'm not a big fan of Sony, but I tend to like more of the games that are for the system, I would get a Nintendo system if it had games that caught my attention, but Xbox....eh I wont start (Manly because I just dont like microsoft, but thats me)

*Ecto Jedi* · 05-14-2006, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

I'm sorry, but...no. I mean...just...no. At first I was taking your comments about the PS3 as someone who liked all games, but wanted a PS3 the most. Now I see the true colours. To say that the Xbox and Gamecube had no great gaming experiences is ridiculous. That, along with the fact that you think the PSP is a good handheld, and that you get your gaming news from G4, paints a really really bad picture.

Yikes, targeting my personal tastes and opinions. Hmm, that seems to be the theme of the day, no? Anyway, I didn't mean to say that there were no good games or gameplay experiences on those two consoles...I do realise now that that's how it came out. For those who take that sort of thing seriously, I apologize.

Yes, I owned a PS2 and was never really inclined to own either a Gamecube or X-Box. Sure they had great games, but I've never felt as though I've missed out on a whole lot. 'Never put much thought into it, really. Does that make me a bad person? Am I not a part of our collective society anymore because I didn't shell out the money for three consoles? Am I going to be shunned by my friends now, seeing as how I've painted for myself a "really, really bad picture"? I happen to be a very satisfied consumer when it comes to my PS2, and I've never had any problems with it or the games it plays.

I wouldn't necessarily call myself a Sony fanboy, but if that's the way you want to construe it, then go right ahead. I've owned a NES, a GameGear, an N64 and a PS2, and I've enjoyed games on all sorts of other consoles (Genesis, SNES, PlayStation, Gamecube, etc.) Just because I was very satisfied with Sony's previous console and find myself a bit partial to the PS3, does that make me a hypocrite?

And yeah, I happen to like the PSP. And I like it for the same reason I like the PS2 -- all sorts of varied gaming experiences, plus a whole lot of other functionality. And yes, I do occasionally watch G4. Lately I've seen their E3 coverage on the Nintendo Wii and I'm looking forward to it. Do you have a problem with that?

P.S. -- Thanks for all the inflammatory comments, by the way. I don't think I've dropped this much ink in a sole thread before...A couple more and I'll be able to write a book!

~~Toonami Tom~~ · 05-14-2006, 09:25 PM

How the heck did this happen to my topic?! It was suppose to be about prices really.......

*Ecto Jedi* · 05-14-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Turtle_in_the_Shell

How the heck did this happen to my topic?! It was suppose to be about prices really.......

Sorry, man...We kind of went off on a tangent there. The bottom line when it comes to prices though, in my humble opinion?

PS3: Yes, the $600 price will hurt PS3 sales, at least initially. I'm unsure as to what long-term effect it will have on the console, though I'm reasonably optimistic, especially considering the fact that the price is likely to drop in due time. But just like fans got over the funky-sounding name of Nintendo's new console, they'll get over the price of the PS3. Or buy the basic version, naturally.

Wii: Nintendo's in the best position price-wise. They have yet to announce an official price point, but they've gone on record as saying that the Wii will be the cheapest of the consoles when it launches, and I tend to believe them. The low price point, the new controller, and the new gameplay experiences will likely lead to booming Nintendo sales come Christmas. Wether or not it will truly revolutionize the industry as we know it and bring gaming to the masses, we'll have to wait and see for ourselves.

X-Box 360: Uhh, not a whole lot to say about the X-box 360, really. It's already out, those who wanted it have bought it, and those who've waited for the other heavyweights to make their appearances will now have to make a decision.

You know where my loyalty lies.

愛 · 05-14-2006, 09:52 PM

You gotta be kidding. People will get over buying a console for $600? I don't know anyone who would drop that amount of money for a console that isn't even much better power-wise than the 360. The only purpose in me buying a PS3 is for MGS4 and the Final Fantasy series. But even that doesn't justify the money spent on it. The features of the PS3 aren't even all that appealing. Their online system copied off Xbox Live, the HDTV thing isn't even worth it since the graphics will be the same as 360, anyway, and it's just...not worth the money!

Peanut · 05-14-2006, 09:56 PM

Firstly, never said anything inflammatory towards you. I never insulted you once. I never plan on sinking to that kind of childish level. I'm sorry if you take what I say in that way. I just don't take the time to sugar coat all my sentences to make them sound nice. You must understand, I don't mean any of this in a hostle way.

Being that it seems like you're so far disconnected from the videogame community, I'll catch you up a little.

Sony no longer has a fanbase. The community has done a complete 180. The two biggest Sony fanboy bases on the internet, Gamespot and GameFAQS, have totally switched sides. The polls conducted on these sites would normally run heavily in favour of Sony, no matter what the question. Now Sony has fallen behind Microsoft and has fallen a LONG way from Nintendo.

No, no one is going to "get over" the $600 price tag. That isn't some kind of opinionated obstacle. "I don't know. Wii is a stupid name. Oh well. I guess I'll buy it." is a lot different from "I don't know. $600 is a lot of money. I can't afford it. Oh well. I guess I'll go without food for a month to get one!".

As for the cheaper version, it was proved with the 360 that the "cheaper" version of the console is worthless. Anyone who ended up buying a core 360 had to buy stuff to upgrade it to a premium, anyways, just so they could play games properly! The same will happen with the PS3. It's been stated everywhere.

I really don't know what else to say. Um..the PSP does suck. I own one, and with the exception of 2 or 3 good games, the rest of the line-up, past and present, is little more than a joke. Especially compared to the line-up of AAA games for the DS. It works alright as an MP3 player, but I own a much smaller, much better MP3 player for that. The PSP, at the moment, is a dust collector.

*Ecto Jedi* · 05-14-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ai Takahashi

You gotta be kidding.

Ha, if I were kidding you would've heard the punchline by now.

P.S. -- Woohoo! 200 posts! Boo-yah!

Peanut · 05-14-2006, 10:18 PM

BTW Ecto, I'd like to know where you work. You've gotta have a ton of cash sitting around to be able to just run out and buy a PS3 with 1 game. We're looking at...what? Over $1,000 CDN? You're willing to drop that kind of cash on a console?

*Ecto Jedi* · 05-14-2006, 10:27 PM

I'm a Sony sales representative. I'll get one for free, or so I've been told.

*Kid Icarus* · 05-14-2006, 10:34 PM

Since this is all about prices, just for the hell of it, lets do some math here, hm? I'm going to add up how much it costs to buy a new system, with a TV and two games. For this, we'll use Wii's rumored $199.99 price tag. This is all going to be done in USD, because it's just a stupid argument on the internet that no one really cares about. And incase you're wondering, here's the TV set I'll be using.

PS3: 599.99
Game 1: 69.99
Game 2: 69.99
TV 1599.99
Controller 1: 39.99
Controller 2: 39.99
Controller 3: 39.99
Monthly internet bill: 49.99
Cheap 5.1 system: 59.99

2559.91 before tax
2739.10 with a 7% sales tax

360 399.99
Game 1: 59.99
Game 2: 59.99
TV: 1599.99
Controller 1: 49.99
Controller 2: 49.99
Controller 3: 49.99
Monthly internet: 49.99
Cheap 5.1 system: 59.99

2379.91 Before tax
2546.50 wtih a 7% sales tax

Wii: 199.99
Game 1: 49.99
Game 2: 49.99
TV: 1599.99
Controller 1: 39.99
Controller 2: 39.99
Controller 3: 39.99
Monthly Internet Bill: 49.99
Cheap 5.1 system: 59.99

2129.91 before tax
2279.00 after tax

Diffrences:
PS3 over 360 - $192.60
PS3 over Wii - $460.10
360 over Wii - $267.50

Peanut · 05-14-2006, 10:39 PM

Come on, man. You expect us to believe that? I didn't even know there were any Sony establishments up in Nova Scotia. You guys don't even have f*cking WENDY'S up there!

Space Lieutenant Josh · 05-14-2006, 10:42 PM

I personally am done buying new consoles-- but I can't even imagine spending 600 bucks on a new system. 200 was my limit even back when I was totally obsessed with games.

$600 is a lot of money-- some people get really bad cars for that amount. And I can see where Sony is coming from-- gamers in this day and age are adults for the most part and have their own money and a good idea of what they want to do with it. I personally wouldn't spend $600 on a video game console but I realize there are some who would. They'd really better have some great exclusive games and features for that price, though.

Ecto and Peanut, you guys should stop fighting. It won't mean a thing in 100 years, right?

---Josh

*Ecto Jedi* · 05-14-2006, 10:44 PM

Amen to that.

And as a final note, we do indeed have Wendy's "up here" in Nova Scotia. Now, we don't have any on Cape Breton Island, where I happen to live, so I'll give you points for that...lol

Peanut · 05-14-2006, 11:00 PM

I still know you don't work for Sony. You can edit it out all you want! The word is out!

*Ecto Jedi* · 05-15-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Space Lieutenant Josh

$600 is a lot of money-- some people get really bad cars for that amount. And I can see where Sony is coming from-- gamers in this day and age are adults for the most part and have their own money and a good idea of what they want to do with it. I personally wouldn't spend $600 on a video game console but I realize there are some who would. They'd really better have some great exclusive games and features for that price, though.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see wether or not the high price of the PS3 will substantially effect sales of the console. Myself and most of my friends are most excited about the PlayStation 3, as opposed to the other consoles, because we like the brand and find that Sony has the largest collection of games that we enjoy. In the long run, however, I don't think the high price of the system will dramatically effect Sony's position as leader in the videogame industry.

Though stranger things have happened, I admit.

PlayStation 3 Boss Defends High Price
http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/11/tech...3_kaz/?cnn=yes

PS3 -- Not Expensive, But Powerful, Says Sony.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multime...513073542.html

05-14-2006, 07:00 PM	#26
Raven follower of Jesus Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,212	I guess the 3D chip the PS3 is using is worth around 500 alone...er, so I guess thats one of the reason of why its so high. I'm not a big fan of Sony, but I tend to like more of the games that are for the system, I would get a Nintendo system if it had games that caught my attention, but Xbox....eh I wont start (Manly because I just dont like microsoft, but thats me) __________________ TMNT Future Despair Deviant Offical Ultimate Ninja Turtles Site!

05-14-2006, 06:30 PM	#23
~~Toonami Tom~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: USA Posts: 4,939	Personally I'm not a Sony Playstation hater. I love my Playstation 2, the last 3 games I bought were all for PS2. I don't have a PSP though, and I don't plan on buying one. Since I already have XBox 360, I see no need to buy a PS3 becasue of the price. I'm super hyped for Wii.

05-14-2006, 09:25 PM	#28
~~Toonami Tom~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: USA Posts: 4,939	How the heck did this happen to my topic?! It was suppose to be about prices really.......

05-14-2006, 09:52 PM	#30
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	You gotta be kidding. People will get over buying a console for $600? I don't know anyone who would drop that amount of money for a console that isn't even much better power-wise than the 360. The only purpose in me buying a PS3 is for MGS4 and the Final Fantasy series. But even that doesn't justify the money spent on it. The features of the PS3 aren't even all that appealing. Their online system copied off Xbox Live, the HDTV thing isn't even worth it since the graphics will be the same as 360, anyway, and it's just...not worth the money!

05-14-2006, 09:56 PM	#31
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Firstly, never said anything inflammatory towards you. I never insulted you once. I never plan on sinking to that kind of childish level. I'm sorry if you take what I say in that way. I just don't take the time to sugar coat all my sentences to make them sound nice. You must understand, I don't mean any of this in a hostle way. Being that it seems like you're so far disconnected from the videogame community, I'll catch you up a little. Sony no longer has a fanbase. The community has done a complete 180. The two biggest Sony fanboy bases on the internet, Gamespot and GameFAQS, have totally switched sides. The polls conducted on these sites would normally run heavily in favour of Sony, no matter what the question. Now Sony has fallen behind Microsoft and has fallen a LONG way from Nintendo. No, no one is going to "get over" the $600 price tag. That isn't some kind of opinionated obstacle. "I don't know. Wii is a stupid name. Oh well. I guess I'll buy it." is a lot different from "I don't know. $600 is a lot of money. I can't afford it. Oh well. I guess I'll go without food for a month to get one!". As for the cheaper version, it was proved with the 360 that the "cheaper" version of the console is worthless. Anyone who ended up buying a core 360 had to buy stuff to upgrade it to a premium, anyways, just so they could play games properly! The same will happen with the PS3. It's been stated everywhere. I really don't know what else to say. Um..the PSP does suck. I own one, and with the exception of 2 or 3 good games, the rest of the line-up, past and present, is little more than a joke. Especially compared to the line-up of AAA games for the DS. It works alright as an MP3 player, but I own a much smaller, much better MP3 player for that. The PSP, at the moment, is a dust collector.

05-14-2006, 10:18 PM	#33
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	BTW Ecto, I'd like to know where you work. You've gotta have a ton of cash sitting around to be able to just run out and buy a PS3 with 1 game. We're looking at...what? Over $1,000 CDN? You're willing to drop that kind of cash on a console?

05-14-2006, 10:27 PM	#34
Ecto Jedi Denki Wo Kitte Kudasai Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,439	I'm a Sony sales representative. I'll get one for free, or so I've been told.

05-14-2006, 10:34 PM	#35
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	Since this is all about prices, just for the hell of it, lets do some math here, hm? I'm going to add up how much it costs to buy a new system, with a TV and two games. For this, we'll use Wii's rumored $199.99 price tag. This is all going to be done in USD, because it's just a stupid argument on the internet that no one really cares about. And incase you're wondering, here's the TV set I'll be using. PS3: 599.99 Game 1: 69.99 Game 2: 69.99 TV 1599.99 Controller 1: 39.99 Controller 2: 39.99 Controller 3: 39.99 Monthly internet bill: 49.99 Cheap 5.1 system: 59.99 2559.91 before tax 2739.10 with a 7% sales tax 360 399.99 Game 1: 59.99 Game 2: 59.99 TV: 1599.99 Controller 1: 49.99 Controller 2: 49.99 Controller 3: 49.99 Monthly internet: 49.99 Cheap 5.1 system: 59.99 2379.91 Before tax 2546.50 wtih a 7% sales tax Wii: 199.99 Game 1: 49.99 Game 2: 49.99 TV: 1599.99 Controller 1: 39.99 Controller 2: 39.99 Controller 3: 39.99 Monthly Internet Bill: 49.99 Cheap 5.1 system: 59.99 2129.91 before tax 2279.00 after tax Diffrences: PS3 over 360 - $192.60 PS3 over Wii - $460.10 360 over Wii - $267.50

05-14-2006, 10:39 PM	#36
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Come on, man. You expect us to believe that? I didn't even know there were any Sony establishments up in Nova Scotia. You guys don't even have f*cking WENDY'S up there!

05-14-2006, 10:42 PM	#37
Space Lieutenant Josh Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Village of Rock'n Kick-Ass Posts: 492	I personally am done buying new consoles-- but I can't even imagine spending 600 bucks on a new system. 200 was my limit even back when I was totally obsessed with games. $600 is a lot of money-- some people get really bad cars for that amount. And I can see where Sony is coming from-- gamers in this day and age are adults for the most part and have their own money and a good idea of what they want to do with it. I personally wouldn't spend $600 on a video game console but I realize there are some who would. They'd really better have some great exclusive games and features for that price, though. Ecto and Peanut, you guys should stop fighting. It won't mean a thing in 100 years, right? ---Josh

05-14-2006, 10:44 PM	#38
Ecto Jedi Denki Wo Kitte Kudasai Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,439	Amen to that. And as a final note, we do indeed have Wendy's "up here" in Nova Scotia. Now, we don't have any on Cape Breton Island, where I happen to live, so I'll give you points for that...lol

05-14-2006, 11:00 PM	#39
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	I still know you don't work for Sony. You can edit it out all you want! The word is out!