New Anti-Gaming movie from religious extremists

[gobo]

Kid with icing on her face: I didn't eat the last cupcake. Billy did!

Parent of a convicted murderer: I didn't teach my son to be violent! ...despite the spankings. It was all videogames! ...even though we never could afford them.

Immaturity just kind of blossoms in certain individuals. Instead of growing out of it, they just get more convincing with their manipulation.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Anarky

Sure, videogames make people more agressive, that is out of the question. It has been scientifically proven. However, it makes you more agressive in the sense of being louder and shakier and not in the homicidal sense.

See...this is just idiotic bullsh*t. I'd like to see this so-called proof. I've played video games my entire life and I'm quiet and completely stable. Most of these tests are pulled off by companies attempting to sway results in the favor of video games being a cause of violence. The latest one, which was made to look like male college students wanted to smoke up and have unprotected sex right after playing GTA, was proved to be a complete farce. As they completely and utterly skip over so many factors, gloss over important data, and mis-worded everything the published. They forgot to mention the fact that these dorm boys didn't say they would go do the afore mentioned activities, but that they didn't care if people did them. This very case study was used by Jack Thompson to further his ridiculous stand against games.

Anyways, people who don't play games, don't understand games. The reason we all "over-react"? because these are uneducated people trying to put ridiculous censorship on our hobby.

Ever heard of a game called Baulder's Gate: Dark Alliance II? A game about decking out your character in various levels of bad-ass armor and going through dungeons hacking and killing everything? They censored the f*ck out of it before it came to retail. You know why? Because groups were protesting some of the games content. And why? Because the company who owns the rights to Baulder's Gate and the D&D franchise, Wizards of the Coast, also made some kids card games. Not because they actually saw what was in the game, which didn't even come close to the majority of what you see on TV, but because they didn't f*cking know anything and assumed the worst. This ended up not only ruining parts of one of my favourite franchises, it actually ended the entire thing, ruined sales and ultimately brought about the destruction of the amazing Black Isle Studios, and put huge publisher/developer, Interplay, in the hole.

My point is this, if you don't know anything about games, you have no right to an opinion on this matter, because you have no f*cking clue what you're talking about. Period.

[Spitfire]

When I was little I used to get mad at games I'd throw a controller*I only did that maybe twice* or I'd play another game where I could beat the crap out of people but I never attacked someone for beating me.

Like Peanut said video taped proof would be the best.

[Anarky]

Originally Posted by Peanut

See...this is just idiotic bullsh*t. I'd like to see this so-called proof. I've played video games my entire life and I'm quiet and completely stable. Most of these tests are pulled off by companies attempting to sway results in the favor of video games being a cause of violence. The latest one, which was made to look like male college students wanted to smoke up and have unprotected sex right after playing GTA, was proved to be a complete farce. As they completely and utterly skip over so many factors, gloss over important data, and mis-worded everything the published. They forgot to mention the fact that these dorm boys didn't say they would go do the afore mentioned activities, but that they didn't care if people did them. This very case study was used by Jack Thompson to further his ridiculous stand against games.

You seem to misunderstand the chemical aggressive with "I'm killing you all in a killing spree"-aggressive. Of course, Jack Thompson makes the same mistake, so you're just buying it, basically. However, you're maybe more shaky and more nervous until about five minutes after putting away the controller. Also, he says in the Audiofile that all those processes having to do with aggression are there because of human evolution, so it's not the games but the human being. And he says that nothing happens without an intention. That's all. And you're quite probably used to it. And of course, Dr. Tilo Hartmann, 31 years old whom I interviewed during a round of Quake Arena (and lost) wouldn't know anything about games, would he?

Here's what he has to say (in German)

I'll translate:

Abstract:
Dr. Tilo Hartmann tells the audience in this presentation about the research to "violent games" like Doom, Counterstrike, The Godfather or similar. In so-called Ego-Shooters, the player has to immobilize the enemy with virtual weapons such as machine guns. Hartman's presentation dealt with the emotional and cognitive responses to playing these games, which were researched in laboratories. His verdict: There is an effect on human behaviour that can be proved, although it's not spectacular.

You can listen to the whole thing on the site, but it's German. He notes many times that players see a difference between game and reality. He compares the enemies in the games to "Things, like figures on a chessboard". He must be the anti-gamer in person.

Anyways, people who don't play games, don't understand games. The reason we all "over-react"? because these are uneducated people trying to put ridiculous censorship on our hobby.

I play games, thank you. I just don't post in here, because I'm not really interested in the industry and the tech and whatnot. I just enjoy me a good game every now and then and that's it.

Ever heard of a game called Baulder's Gate: Dark Alliance II? A game about decking out your character in various levels of bad-ass armor and going through dungeons hacking and killing everything? They censored the f*ck out of it before it came to retail. You know why? Because groups were protesting some of the games content. And why? Because the company who owns the rights to Baulder's Gate and the D&D franchise, Wizards of the Coast, also made some kids card games. Not because they actually saw what was in the game, which didn't even come close to the majority of what you see on TV, but because they didn't f*cking know anything and assumed the worst. This ended up not only ruining parts of one of my favourite franchises, it actually ended the entire thing, ruined sales and ultimately brought about the destruction of the amazing Black Isle Studios, and put huge publisher/developer, Interplay, in the hole.

I don't think company politics have any relevance to this discussion. If there is one, please explain it to me.

My point is this, if you don't know anything about games, you have no right to an opinion on this matter, because you have no f*cking clue what you're talking about. Period.

Again, I play games. Have done it for years. Started off with the SNES and now I'm a PC-Gamer.

[Jo Dawn]

Not really blaming or anything, but maybe the overreacting is just feeding their worries.

I don't care if anyone bashes my hobbies. It's just silly. But it is true what Anarky said... Whether or not it is in a bad way has yet to be seen. It has changed people in good ways and bad. They've been doing research on this for many years, with people who DO know things about games and such. I actually did my college papers on the effects of television and video game violence in people.

Of course, it depends on the mentality of the subject right off the bat, also. So it's really hard to say. However, no one ever needs to overreact on something like a game. It'll feed their fire.

[iris]

I would like to know, what is the "appropriate" reaction level to a documentary made with the apparent sole purpose of defaming an entire industry? One that involves a Senator, no less?

Honestly, football causes much more violence in the world. It's verifiable. Just ask the sports bar crowd. People actually die because of it, sometimes in the stands at the game. So why do we let little kids watch and play football?

[jeff the cheff]

Originally Posted by Peanut

See...this is just idiotic bullsh*t. I'd like to see this so-called proof. I've played video games my entire life and I'm quiet and completely stable. Most of these tests are pulled off by companies attempting to sway results in the favor of video games being a cause of violence. The latest one, which was made to look like male college students wanted to smoke up and have unprotected sex right after playing GTA, was proved to be a complete farce. As they completely and utterly skip over so many factors, gloss over important data, and mis-worded everything the published. They forgot to mention the fact that these dorm boys didn't say they would go do the afore mentioned activities, but that they didn't care if people did them. This very case study was used by Jack Thompson to further his ridiculous stand against games.

Anyways, people who don't play games, don't understand games. The reason we all "over-react"? because these are uneducated people trying to put ridiculous censorship on our hobby.

Ever heard of a game called Baulder's Gate: Dark Alliance II? A game about decking out your character in various levels of bad-ass armor and going through dungeons hacking and killing everything? They censored the f*ck out of it before it came to retail. You know why? Because groups were protesting some of the games content. And why? Because the company who owns the rights to Baulder's Gate and the D&D franchise, Wizards of the Coast, also made some kids card games. Not because they actually saw what was in the game, which didn't even come close to the majority of what you see on TV, but because they didn't f*cking know anything and assumed the worst. This ended up not only ruining parts of one of my favourite franchises, it actually ended the entire thing, ruined sales and ultimately brought about the destruction of the amazing Black Isle Studios, and put huge publisher/developer, Interplay, in the hole.

My point is this, if you don't know anything about games, you have no right to an opinion on this matter, because you have no f*cking clue what you're talking about. Period.

Well it's hard to "proove" anything, but there are some really good experiments that do show that video games lead to agression. The thing is, this is short-term agression, not a long term behavior change that would lead to violence. So yes it does lead to agression, but they aren't saying it leads to violence.

[Brodie]

Iris, maybe you didn't notice...my comment was dripping with sarcasm. You might be able to tell by the fact that I have a 360 tag in my signature, with not so non-violent games. If I believed Jack Thompson, I'd be playing The Bible Game, for PS2, not Gears of War.

[iris]

Haha... yeah, actually I figured it was sarcasm, cuz it was you... I just responded anyway. Cuz I'm like that. *shrug*

[Brodie]

Just making sure. Anyway.

Jack Thompson is just angry he sucked at Mario Bros way back when.

[gobo]

Jealous, is he?

[Peanut]

Anarky, I wasn't basing my whole post around you. I knew you'd make that mistake, as usual. It was just the first part.

And yeah, my example had a lot more to do with pointing out how uneducated, ignorant, morons jump to conclusions over sh*t they don't understand. Not company politics.

I'm also not going to argue with you about about this Tito guy. I'll just say he's one researcher and he just because he thinks one thing doesn't mean it's 100% indisputable fact. I think it's plainly obvious people think aggressively when playing a violent game, and it seems to me that's all he's saying. F*cking rocket science. Like I said, though, I'm not going to argue with you about it, I saw how childish you acted in that soul colour thread and I know there's no making you change your mind once it's been made.

I really have no argument against violent video games having effects on people, because violent things effect people, pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain. What pisses me off about the whole thing is the lack of knowledge the people making these ridiculous "games are the devil" claims have. That's all.

[Krang's Uncle]

Originally Posted by Peanut

See...this is just idiotic bullsh*t. I'd like to see this so-called proof. I've played video games my entire life and I'm quiet and completely stable. Most of these tests are pulled off by companies attempting to sway results in the favor of video games being a cause of violence. The latest one, which was made to look like male college students wanted to smoke up and have unprotected sex right after playing GTA, was proved to be a complete farce. As they completely and utterly skip over so many factors, gloss over important data, and mis-worded everything the published. They forgot to mention the fact that these dorm boys didn't say they would go do the afore mentioned activities, but that they didn't care if people did them. This very case study was used by Jack Thompson to further his ridiculous stand against games.

Anyways, people who don't play games, don't understand games. The reason we all "over-react"? because these are uneducated people trying to put ridiculous censorship on our hobby.

Ever heard of a game called Baulder's Gate: Dark Alliance II? A game about decking out your character in various levels of bad-ass armor and going through dungeons hacking and killing everything? They censored the f*ck out of it before it came to retail. You know why? Because groups were protesting some of the games content. And why? Because the company who owns the rights to Baulder's Gate and the D&D franchise, Wizards of the Coast, also made some kids card games. Not because they actually saw what was in the game, which didn't even come close to the majority of what you see on TV, but because they didn't f*cking know anything and assumed the worst. This ended up not only ruining parts of one of my favourite franchises, it actually ended the entire thing, ruined sales and ultimately brought about the destruction of the amazing Black Isle Studios, and put huge publisher/developer, Interplay, in the hole.

My point is this, if you don't know anything about games, you have no right to an opinion on this matter, because you have no f*cking clue what you're talking about. Period.

This is a nice, educated response. Hope you didnt foam on your keyboard.

Do you know the video games opponents stance on games? Or did you just read that your games were in trouble and start digging the trench for a defensive stand. Ive yet to read anything about these guys wanting to take games back to the age of pong. Let me guess, you did some research and found out what their credentials are and came to the conclusion that they are uneducated. Did they not play enough Halo hours to meet your requirements? But, your in luck. The game industry has weathered these storms before, and they will again in the future. Calm down, youll still be able to play whatever games appeal to you in the future, regardless of whether its like Nintendogs or Grand Theft Auto. No need to get your panties in a bunch over this issue. Period.

[Anarky]

Okay, everyone, I think it's time to calm down and not jump on each other's throats. Yes, I am looking at everyone. Of course, you might have been calm while writing your posts, but they didn't come across that way. Jack Thompson could argue "See this section. They're all on the edge of killing each other. Videogames are evil!" and he'd stand on pretty firm ground.

Anyways, calling videogames the devil is plain idiotic. I think there are better ways to kill time, but each to his own. But both sides' claims are flawed, be it even only a little. Videogames do make you more agressive, but it's far from a point where you let your surroundings feel it. They're not made by Satan and/or his little wizards.

However I can agree with the people in the trailer to the extent that I think schoolshootings and spree killings are bad and effort should be made to prevent them. But videogames are not the disease, they're a symptom at best. I generally think both sides in this argument should simmer down a bit and actually sit on one table. If Jack Thompson weren't a raging lunatic and gamers weren't mostly a bunch of raging, cellar-dwelling loners, then I bet Jack Thompson would be up for a round of Mario Kart. The gamers could teach him, since I doubt he knows how it works. And when that happens, both sides could actually talk about stuff without starting to rage around and stereotype and make idiotic claims (yes, both sides do that).

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Krang's Uncle

This is a nice, educated response. Hope you didnt foam on your keyboard.

Do you know the video games opponents stance on games? Or did you just read that your games were in trouble and start digging the trench for a defensive stand. Ive yet to read anything about these guys wanting to take games back to the age of pong. Let me guess, you did some research and found out what their credentials are and came to the conclusion that they are uneducated. Did they not play enough Halo hours to meet your requirements? But, your in luck. The game industry has weathered these storms before, and they will again in the future. Calm down, youll still be able to play whatever games appeal to you in the future, regardless of whether its like Nintendogs or Grand Theft Auto. No need to get your panties in a bunch over this issue. Period.

See...just...uncalled for. Completely. Where do I come off as a raving lunatic? There is a reason for our community to be angry about this. We're not overreacting. And it has nothing to do with how much time you spend playing games, it has to do with actually knowing what you're talking about. Take Jack Thompson and his stance over Bully, a game he tried to get canceled. He was calling it a Columbine simulator. He had never even seen a screen from the game. I mean uneducated in that sense, not whatever the hell you're talking about.

And really, where do you get off telling me what I should and shouldn't get upset about?

[Anarky]

Being upset and being rude and ranting around are two different things. If both sides, yes, Jack Thompson, I'm talking to you, would even show the slightest will to discuss this in an orderly fashion without constantly insulting and/or suing someone or something, this discussion would be much nicer. I'm not telling you to not get upset, but people are more likely to listen when they don't have the feeling they're talking to a pitbull on steroids.

[Krang's Uncle]

Originally Posted by Peanut

See...just...uncalled for. Completely. Where do I come off as a raving lunatic? There is a reason for our community to be angry about this. We're not overreacting. And it has nothing to do with how much time you spend playing games, it has to do with actually knowing what you're talking about. Take Jack Thompson and his stance over Bully, a game he tried to get canceled. He was calling it a Columbine simulator. He had never even seen a screen from the game. I mean uneducated in that sense, not whatever the hell you're talking about.

And really, where do you get off telling me what I should and shouldn't get upset about?

You come off as a raving lunatic here: "See...this is just idiotic bullsh*t" and here, "My point is this, if you don't know anything about games, you have no right to an opinion on this matter, because you have no f*cking clue what you're talking about. Period." Your community is full of whiners that get so bent out of shape. How many times have video games been portrayed to be the source of society's ills before? And despite that, they are still here and dont appear to be going away, regardless of what some religious talking mouth says. Yet, here you go getting so upset because its happening again. Sometimes i forget that mental midgets dont make connections, so i'll lay it out for you. Politicians/religious figures have certain "wells" they continually draw from. These "wells" are how they keep their base of power in support of them. A "well" could be an issue such as immigrations, taxes, or even video games. Its hard not to be rude when youve got people ranting and raving like the lunatics they so detest.

Where do you get off telling Jack Thompson what he should and shouldnt get upset about? You and him probably have more in common than you think and would make good friends. You could play a game to see who comes up with the fastest knee jerk response to various topics.

[Mecha Cow]

Your community is full of whiners that get so bent out of shape

You might want to get off this board now.

Also, do you even know who Jack Thompson is?

[Anarky]

Jack Thompson is Bizarro-Peanut.

But, Uncle, please don't do that. Don't insult people like that, because you know what's going to happen.

But what I must say, I see certain similarities between the gamers' way of argumenting and those you refer to as "religious extremists". Both groups consist of raging lunatics with anger issues. I mean, good ol' Jack is his own antithesis in this way. "Videogames make people agressive... I'M GOING TO SUE YOU, PUNK!!! WWWAAAAGH!!!" It's also funny to see the gamers react. "Man this Jack Thompson's such a lunatic... THEY'RE ALL IDIOTS AND THEY SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS EARTH!!! WAAAAARGGH!!!"

[Mecha Cow]

I don't think anyone dislikes Thompson for hating video games. It's him publicly insulting and making blind assumptions about an entire community that has most people ticked off.

This isn't rocket science here.