Suicide - Page 2

*That Matt Guy* · 01-30-2007, 06:38 PM

I don't know, putting that shotgun barrel in your mouth does take a lot of guts. Suicide by cop on the other hand, that's a coward's way out.

*iris* · 01-30-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo Dawn

I think it takes more courage to not do it. Suicide is a cowards way out, not wanting to deal with tough things. (And yes... I know people who have committed suicide). Granted, many of these people are sick. You have to be.

Eh... You just have to be in a dark place, so deep in your pain that you have lost the normal perspective that tells you you're not alone and that you are still capable of feeling joy. Yeah, in some cases you can pin it on a mental imbalance or fear, but honestly this happens to regular down-to-earth people all the time. It happens to soldiers who feel like their presence is weakening the unit. It happens to younger people more because they simply don't have the experience to keep their perspective in the face of the things life throws at you.

I wouldn't say that my own survival is a testament to my strength of character. I've just been... very fortunate.

**Jo Dawn** · 01-30-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by iris

Eh... You just have to be in a dark place, so deep in your pain that you have lost the normal perspective that tells you you're not alone and that you are still capable of feeling joy. Yeah, in some cases you can pin it on a mental imbalance or fear, but honestly this happens to regular down-to-earth people all the time.

Well, yes. That's what I said.

Trust me, I've BEEN in horribly dark places. And I know it happens to happy, regular people. The people I knew that did this were never depressed (out loud) never had a problem. It was a rash, stupid decision on their part. And everyone else paid for it.

But it's almost always a 'mental imbalance' because their seratonin levels have dipped so low, they're not thinking straight. It doesn't have to be a recurring metal imbalance. It can be brief as all get out, but it's still an imbalance.

It's late, I'm not sure I'm explaining this correctly. However... I will say I stand by my initial statement, that it takes more courage to live life than to end it. To think of others above themselves.

*iris* · 01-31-2007, 12:53 AM

I'm not really disagreeing with you, Jo... it's just more complicated to me. When you think your loved ones really would be better off without you, you are thinking of others above yourself. Even if it's a twisted reality you see.

*KROW* · 01-31-2007, 08:31 AM

Well, this certainly is some morbid stuff to read with my morning Cheerios...

In my view, it takes more courage to keep on living. Quite frankly, I don't get how suicide could mean that life defeated you. I mean, you're welcoming death prematurely, so wouldn't that mean that death beat you? Hell, if you want some peace in your life, take a nap.

Bah, I don't know.

Spider · 01-31-2007, 03:08 PM

Let us not forget that the late Hunter Thompson committed suicide due to a liver disease. I figure if you're diagnosed with some form of terminal illness and you're about to spend the last few years of your life in agonizing pain then suicide could be considered as an option. Otherwise...just live out your problems.

Kid A · 02-07-2007, 02:57 PM

I think to adjudge such an action is something that no one has the right to. It sure is a sad thing if someone kills himself. But I think we should also think about this: if we live in a society that aspires for a preferably free and self-determinated mankind, we should also accept that it is part of your self-determination to end your life at the point you decide. It is one of the most personal things and shouldn't be rated in anyway. No matter if it's inner weakness or strenght, it definitely is a tragedy and in most cases I think we can't even guess what finally lead to the decision. And that should be respected. Personally I think it is high respectless to anatomise the psyche of a anybody who committed suicide. Well ..just my two cents.

Ra · 02-08-2007, 05:11 AM

The only suicide I find acceptable is when one is in so much pain that they want it all to end now, and not have it ongoing for months on end. Otherwise, suicide is pretty cowardly. You shouldn't go down that path, and avoid it at all costs. It's dangerous, dark, and attempts at taking your own life will only make things worse.

I know I once sunk into an emo stage when I had no friends at all, and for weeks I didn't know what to do. Girls were pointing and laughing at me, guys were avoiding me, and my so called "friends" were going out into the school yard, giving me a bad name. In my darkest hour of my life, I went into an "I give up" stage, and tried strangling myself or cutting my wrists with a butter knife. I actually succeded drawing blood after five minutes of hacking at my wrist, if anyone is curious. But to take my own life? I just couldn't do it. Even after all of the attempts that I had made, my mom managed to find me right before things got ugly and tried to snap me out of it. Without her help, I probably would have succeded into hanging myself, or giving myself some nasty marks on my throat.

But I realized three weeks later, mid-way through trying to cut off my wind pipe to my lungs with a bath robe tie, that I just had to accept it. After all, life's challenges are the ones that knock you flat on your back. Giving up on it all and killing yourself is an easy option. However, the true challenge is to wing out life's obsticals and try to make it until you naturally die.

One week later, I made friends with one kid, while all life went on as it had done during my emo stage. But this time I couldn't care less. I simply brushed it off, and turned whatever sorrow I had into anger, and vented my anger out in healthy doses by trying to kick and punch the air 100 times a day after school. Three or four years later, here I am, a very healthy person who you wouldn't think was such an sucidal emo a few years back.

The point of that shameful story of mine is this - there is no such thing as quiting. You can do it, but you'll probably never get to live this life again. So just live it up. Don't pick up that gun or knife or whatever. You'll be able to pick yourself up again and continue with life as if it will never end. Suicide is the weak option and the coward's way out. If you kill yourself, you may not feel pain again. But will you feel any happier? Will you be able to live life as you once did? To speak? To run? To laugh and to cry? To dream? To fear? To hope and wish for whatever you want? I'm not to sure, but I like to live every minute as if it will be my last.

*Rooish* · 02-08-2007, 03:08 PM

I'm really happy that you're still around, guys.

I personally wouldn't say suicide is cowardly. That viewpoint just... sh**s on people's emotional pain. There were times, back when I had depression (and it wasn't even that bad depression--a lot of my friends have had it way worse, so I'm not just defending myself here), that the only reason I didn't try to kill myself was because I knew it would hurt my parents and friends if I did. But I felt useless, like I was doing more harm than good being alive. My depression made me jealous and possessive and manipulative with my friends; I would take offense to everything. I felt like a completely worthless being, too pathetic to live alongside mentally healthy people. I felt that I was hurting others by being around, not just because I was so caustic, but also because no one wants to know a person who is so worthless and pathetic.

It would have been selfish of me to kill myself, but I also feel that, in a way, it is selfish of friends and family to expect a person to live when he/she just wants to die. We all want our loved ones to be happy, but we also want, selfishly, for our loved ones to stay with us, even when they want to go. I never want anyone I love to commit suicide. I would do anything to prevent a friend from doing so. But if he/she did commit suicide, I would respect his/her choice. The pain was too great. It's my friend's life, and I cannot expect my friend to live for my sake.

Perhaps suicide is "lazy" (if you don't try to "get better" first; granted, people may have years of therapy and be on antidepressants and still want to die), but I don't think it is cowardly. Even when I wanted to die, I was terrified of death, of never seeing my loved ones again, of the universe ending for me (I am an atheist and believe that, when I die, there will be nothing after). Death may be the end of pain, but it is also the end of life and consciousness and any moments of beauty or happiness (in my opinion). For some people, however, death is just the only choice--especially if no treatments for depression or illness or whatnot are working--and I respect that.

I wish they would cure depression. As for people who want to die because they have a debilitating disease that won't get better and is painful, I'm all for suicide (assisted or not). But I also wish that people who really want to die could do so in a way that wasn't long and painful (taking pills, cutting wrists), or extremely gorey and traumatising to clean up (shooting yourself), or dangerous to others (carbon monoxide, jumping into traffic).

Whatever.

*Mr._Mutant_Man* · 02-10-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ai

Suicide is letting life win. Life can be quite a bitch.....most of the time. Just gotta find a hobby or interest to take away the pain for a while. Happiness comes in short doses. It takes quite the courage to end your life. It takes more courage to fight the odds.

Probably put better than I could have.

I don't try to think of suicide as a "coward's way out" because I'm sure for a lot of people that do it they were in a very messed up mindset where they probably didn't know any better.

Personally, as someone that was raised Catholic I don't think I would ever bring myself to be able to do it, no matter how depressed I possibly get just because of the idea that it is a major sin(the same as breaking the you shall not murder commandment). Although I'd like to think that if there is a God He'd be as merciful as people say and understand that some people were unable to help themselves. Don't want to get into a theological debate (too many of those on the Internet as it is), but it does factor into my personal beliefs on suicide.

01-31-2007, 08:31 AM	#25
KROW Meat-n-Potatoes Man Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: State's Anus, NY Posts: 6,472	Well, this certainly is some morbid stuff to read with my morning Cheerios... In my view, it takes more courage to keep on living. Quite frankly, I don't get how suicide could mean that life defeated you. I mean, you're welcoming death prematurely, so wouldn't that mean that death beat you? Hell, if you want some peace in your life, take a nap. Bah, I don't know. __________________ - Optimus Acid Trip - Cult of a Half-Shell - Raiden's Bitter Tongue - *I don't try to be funny; I fail at it naturally.*

01-31-2007, 03:08 PM	#26
Spider Random Punk Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Museum of Skin Posts: 29	Let us not forget that the late Hunter Thompson committed suicide due to a liver disease. I figure if you're diagnosed with some form of terminal illness and you're about to spend the last few years of your life in agonizing pain then suicide could be considered as an option. Otherwise...just live out your problems. __________________ Hail Satan. My anti-drug.//Deviantart

02-08-2007, 05:11 AM	#28
Ra It's my desire? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In your pants. Posts: 4,441	The only suicide I find acceptable is when one is in so much pain that they want it all to end now, and not have it ongoing for months on end. Otherwise, suicide is pretty cowardly. You shouldn't go down that path, and avoid it at all costs. It's dangerous, dark, and attempts at taking your own life will only make things worse. I know I once sunk into an emo stage when I had no friends at all, and for weeks I didn't know what to do. Girls were pointing and laughing at me, guys were avoiding me, and my so called "friends" were going out into the school yard, giving me a bad name. In my darkest hour of my life, I went into an "I give up" stage, and tried strangling myself or cutting my wrists with a butter knife. I actually succeded drawing blood after five minutes of hacking at my wrist, if anyone is curious. But to take my own life? I just couldn't do it. Even after all of the attempts that I had made, my mom managed to find me right before things got ugly and tried to snap me out of it. Without her help, I probably would have succeded into hanging myself, or giving myself some nasty marks on my throat. But I realized three weeks later, mid-way through trying to cut off my wind pipe to my lungs with a bath robe tie, that I just had to accept it. After all, life's challenges are the ones that knock you flat on your back. Giving up on it all and killing yourself is an easy option. However, the true challenge is to wing out life's obsticals and try to make it until you naturally die. One week later, I made friends with one kid, while all life went on as it had done during my emo stage. But this time I couldn't care less. I simply brushed it off, and turned whatever sorrow I had into anger, and vented my anger out in healthy doses by trying to kick and punch the air 100 times a day after school. Three or four years later, here I am, a very healthy person who you wouldn't think was such an sucidal emo a few years back. The point of that shameful story of mine is this - there is no such thing as quiting. You can do it, but you'll probably never get to live this life again. So just live it up. Don't pick up that gun or knife or whatever. You'll be able to pick yourself up again and continue with life as if it will never end. Suicide is the weak option and the coward's way out. If you kill yourself, you may not feel pain again. But will you feel any happier? Will you be able to live life as you once did? To speak? To run? To laugh and to cry? To dream? To fear? To hope and wish for whatever you want? I'm not to sure, but I like to live every minute as if it will be my last. __________________ "So. The whole lot of you against little old me? How retarded."

02-08-2007, 03:08 PM	#29
Rooish Devil's Advocate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 2,130	I'm really happy that you're still around, guys. I personally wouldn't say suicide is cowardly. That viewpoint just... sh*s on people's emotional pain. There were times, back when I had depression (and it wasn't even that* bad depression--a lot of my friends have had it way worse, so I'm not just defending myself here), that the only reason I didn't try to kill myself was because I knew it would hurt my parents and friends if I did. But I felt useless, like I was doing more harm than good being alive. My depression made me jealous and possessive and manipulative with my friends; I would take offense to everything. I felt like a completely worthless being, too pathetic to live alongside mentally healthy people. I felt that I was hurting others by being around, not just because I was so caustic, but also because no one wants to know a person who is so worthless and pathetic. It would have been selfish of me to kill myself, but I also feel that, in a way, it is selfish of friends and family to expect a person to live when he/she just wants to die. We all want our loved ones to be happy, but we also want, selfishly, for our loved ones to stay with us, even when they want to go. I never want anyone I love to commit suicide. I would do anything to prevent a friend from doing so. But if he/she did commit suicide, I would respect his/her choice. The pain was too great. It's my friend's life, and I cannot expect my friend to live for my sake. Perhaps suicide is "lazy" (if you don't try to "get better" first; granted, people may have years of therapy and be on antidepressants and still want to die), but I don't think it is cowardly. Even when I wanted to die, I was terrified of death, of never seeing my loved ones again, of the universe ending for me (I am an atheist and believe that, when I die, there will be nothing after). Death may be the end of pain, but it is also the end of life and consciousness and any moments of beauty or happiness (in my opinion). For some people, however, death is just the only choice--especially if no treatments for depression or illness or whatnot are working--and I respect that. I wish they would cure depression. As for people who want to die because they have a debilitating disease that won't get better and is painful, I'm all for suicide (assisted or not). But I also wish that people who really want to die could do so in a way that wasn't long and painful (taking pills, cutting wrists), or extremely gorey and traumatising to clean up (shooting yourself), or dangerous to others (carbon monoxide, jumping into traffic). Whatever. __________________ Thanks evan2000 for the sig!

01-30-2007, 06:38 PM	#21
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	I don't know, putting that shotgun barrel in your mouth does take a lot of guts. Suicide by cop on the other hand, that's a coward's way out.

01-31-2007, 12:53 AM	#24
iris moddy mod mod Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: finally escaped the lab Posts: 1,886	I'm not really disagreeing with you, Jo... it's just more complicated to me. When you think your loved ones really would be better off without you, you are thinking of others above yourself. Even if it's a twisted reality you see.

02-07-2007, 02:57 PM	#27
Kid A Foot Soldier Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Yes Posts: 103	I think to adjudge such an action is something that no one has the right to. It sure is a sad thing if someone kills himself. But I think we should also think about this: if we live in a society that aspires for a preferably free and self-determinated mankind, we should also accept that it is part of your self-determination to end your life at the point you decide. It is one of the most personal things and shouldn't be rated in anyway. No matter if it's inner weakness or strenght, it definitely is a tragedy and in most cases I think we can't even guess what finally lead to the decision. And that should be respected. Personally I think it is high respectless to anatomise the psyche of a anybody who committed suicide. Well ..just my two cents.