What are your thoughts on old toon Raphael compared to his other incarnations? - Page 2

Daunt · 04-04-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sariele

....I can now state that 2007-movie Raph is my favourite incarnation. To me, this Raph is exactly as I stated above: a combination of OT and NT Raph. I know some of you may not understand why I think this, but there you go. :)

Hope that if there's a sequel they keep this Raph the way he is.

Uh oh, I think I might be turning into a Raph fangirl! I promised myself it wouldn't come to this!! :lol:

I'm so with you there. I loved Raph in this movie so much. I find myself falling prey to the Raphfangirl-bug myself! I did love the old OT Raph a lot and his comic incarnation was also freaking cool....but the 07 movie gets stars for being my fave.

*Ava Collier* · 04-04-2007, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sariele

Uh oh, I think I might be turning into a Raph fangirl! I promised myself it wouldn't come to this!!

*sigh* I completely sympathize. It's all my best friend's fault! >.<
It's the way she portrays him that made my little Ava fall for him. *sigh2, the sequel*

I never read the comics, because I heard things...and I want to live in my delusion that the boys keep all their body parts, stay together, and Master Splinter is immortal. OT Raphael had his qualities, but out of the ones I know, he's probably my least favorite. (I'm going to assume OT and NT stand for old toon, and new toon respectively. Yeah...I'm smart.) they gave him attitude, but it was the wrong kind. He just wasn't...constipated enough.

I haven't seen the new movie yet. I hurted myself...uhh...NINJA TRAINING! Certainly not sliding on tiles on my way to the bathroom! I hope I won't be dissappointed. From the clips I've been a bad girl and looked at, I doubt that'll happen.

Sariele · 04-05-2007, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ava Collier

I never read the comics, because I heard things...and I want to live in my delusion that the boys keep all their body parts, stay together, and Master Splinter is immortal.

I apologise for being OT (Off Topic, not Old Toon! lol), but I just wanted to chime in here and say this is probably why I haven't pursued the comics either. Although some of the storylines sound pretty cool, I don't want my boys to grow up (age-wise) and I don't want to see things fall apart or change in this world.

That, and I've never ever read comics in my whole life. I just don't "get" them.

Back on topic, just saw the movie a second time, and I now know without a doubt this is my favourite Raph. I think he's a bit too hard on Leo, but that's my only criticism and anyway he wouldn't be Raph if he didn't antagonise the Blue One. I just melt in that scene

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*Buslady* · 04-05-2007, 08:22 AM

I'm not a big fan of the old toon Raph as much as today's Raphie.
There was none of his anger, just sarcastic wit and humor; that's only ONE part of him. That's all they showed with that one. He was unbalanced.
This was a kiddie show though and not a true representation of TMNT.

*Rooish* · 04-05-2007, 12:36 PM

Oh no you didn't!

*heretic888* · 04-05-2007, 06:26 PM

OT Raph was basically Mirage Mike, more or less.

Sadly enough, he was probably the closest thing to the original Michelangelo being depicted in something other than a black-and-white indie comic book. And, he was supposed to Raphael....

*ToTheNines* · 04-05-2007, 07:07 PM

In season 1 Raph had a few angry out bursts during fights (GET OUT OF MY FACE, JERK!).

*Revan* · 04-05-2007, 09:38 PM

Raph become funnier and more witty as the show progressed. Most of his smart comments in season one were totally lame. After the first season he got more into his smart alec self we all know.

*Sage Ninja* · 04-06-2007, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by heretic888

OT Raph was basically Mirage Mike, more or less.

Sadly enough, he was probably the closest thing to the original Michelangelo being depicted in something other than a black-and-white indie comic book. And, he was supposed to Raphael....

wow...Mirage Michaelangelo was like Old toon Raphael, huh? I guess that suprices me a bit because I've never thought of Michaelangelo's character as being the sarcastic type. i thought maybe Mirage Michaelangelo was a bit more good natured.

any way back on topic. I really enjoyed Raphael's interpertation in the old toon. It was a diffrent take on the turtle and it was an entertaining one at that. I don't think the old toon would have been half as entertaining or as good with out Raphael in it and his witty dialogue.

**GK Punk** · 04-06-2007, 12:56 AM

I always liked OT Raph, easily my favorite of the OT Turtles. Movie 1 Raph is my favorite Raph all around though.

*Ava Collier* · 04-06-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

I don't think the old toon would have been half as entertaining or as good with out Raphael in it and his witty dialogue.

I don't think THAT was up for debate! But for example, I remember in the Four Musketurtles episode, (HEY! I remember something! Praise me!) "I'd give Leonardo the shell off my back, but I am NOT wearing lace with feathers, and that's final!"
...in the next scene, guess who was wearing feathers, and lace? XD
It was hilarious, wouldn't change a thing! But if something like that happened in any of the more modern versions, I'd be disturbed, and dissappointed...though I have to admit, I'd probably still laugh.

**GK Punk** · 04-06-2007, 01:01 AM

What was that line he said in I think the third episode "Don't make me get SARCASTIC." and said it in such a serious manner

Sunshine · 04-07-2007, 06:03 PM

I liked old cartoon Raph but not nearly as much. He really doesn't even seem like the same character at all. And from the moment I saw the first movie I loved the slightly darker Raph. He felt more real and I could just relate to him better. Raph from the old cartoon just seemed like he was missing something like we only saw one side of him. I preffer his other incarnations.

*heretic888* · 04-07-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

wow...Mirage Michaelangelo was like Old toon Raphael, huh? I guess that suprices me a bit because I've never thought of Michaelangelo's character as being the sarcastic type. i thought maybe Mirage Michaelangelo was a bit more good natured.

"Sarcastic" and "good natured" are not mutually exclusive.

I would say that Mirage Michelangelo is pretty good natured and sociable, but he's also a pretty snarky fellow. He comes across as a sharp and witty personality, with both a powerful compassionate (re: Klunk) and artistic (re: writing stories) side. This is pretty much absent in his other incarnations (except for the Archie and Dreamwave versions).

This is in contrast to the way that Mike is portrayed in pretty much all the cartoons and movies, in which he's pretty much a doofus. He's not bright, he's not sharp, he's not witty, he's not really artistic. His compassionate side gets reduced to dressing up like a superhero and his artistic side gets reduced to this huge obsession with comic books and pop culture.

What gets passed for "humor" with the non-comic Michelangelo is falling on his head, bonking himself with his own nunchaku, or belching. In other words, all pretty much "physical" humor (i.e., slapstick) that highlight the character's lack of intelligence and wit. Hell, there's been at least one episode in both the FoxBox and Fast Forward series solely about the fact that Mikey just doesn't "get it" (at least, not without some serious prodding in the right direction).

At least, that's how I see it.

Sunshine · 04-07-2007, 08:14 PM

I sadly have no idea what the comics are like. I've heard things but that's about it. I still think Mikey and Raph are the best but from what I've seen they both tend to get changed a bit more and a bit more often then the others from one incarnation to the next. Still there hasn't been any incarnations of them that I didn't like at least a bit. <3

**Jester** · 04-07-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6

What was that line he said in I think the third episode "Don't make me get SARCASTIC." and said it in such a serious manner

Baxter: I'll never talk...
Raphael: You'd better or else I'm gonna get...sarcastic!
Baxter: He's in an old mansion on Green St. near 10th. He's got a master control for all the Mousers there.
Raphael: See, nothing beats cutting wit.

*triplexxx* · 04-07-2007, 08:27 PM

If anything, I'd say OT Raphael was pretty smart, of course, so is NT Raphael.

*Warhorse* · 04-07-2007, 09:09 PM

Oh, I think new toon Raph is very, very smart, and has almost an intuition about him, in the sense on how he can read people and size up situations. He is also very savvy when it comes to his fighting, and sometimes, he comes off as brilliant in his innovativeness.

He just tends to also have no fear, and I think that's what messes him up every now and then.

*Revan* · 04-07-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

He just tends to also have no fear, and I think that's what messes him up every now and then.

I LOVE Raph's fearlessness. Example: At the end of season four when the wooden ninjas come from the tribunal to collect the turtles, the wooden guys totally kick their shells. A few eps later, the wooden things surround the turtles and Raph makes a comment, I've been dying for a rematch, or something like that. Raph gets ready to fight again, showing no fear. Watching this ep I'm thinking to myself
"Why would he want a rematch with an IMMORTAL AND VERY SKILLED enemy! There is no way the turtles can win!"

I would have been scared to fight something that I knew I could not kill. Especially when it completely dominated the boys the last time they faught.

*Warhorse* · 04-08-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Neutrino

I LOVE Raph's fearlessness. Example: At the end of season four when the wooden ninjas come from the tribunal to collect the turtles, the wooden guys totally kick their shells. A few eps later, the wooden things surround the turtles and Raph makes a comment, I've been dying for a rematch, or something like that. Raph gets ready to fight again, showing no fear. Watching this ep I'm thinking to myself
"Why would he want a rematch with an IMMORTAL AND VERY SKILLED enemy! There is no way the turtles can win!"

I would have been scared to fight something that I knew I could not kill. Especially when it completely dominated the boys the last time they faught.

There really are people in the world who are like that. They don't back down from a fight, especially when it is a fight for survival. It's really the animal instinct in us all that are the backbone to our revolution, and Raph is kind of a scary mirror to what we would have to be to achieve that goal.

I always thought, if the comic books were to come to some apocolyptic ending, I am betting that Raph would be the first to go.

But his ending would be some sort of monumental moment that could wake up the world in what a true heroe is really all about.

04-05-2007, 08:22 AM	#24
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	I'm not a big fan of the old toon Raph as much as today's Raphie. There was none of his anger, just sarcastic wit and humor; that's only ONE part of him. That's all they showed with that one. He was unbalanced. This was a kiddie show though and not a true representation of TMNT. __________________

04-05-2007, 12:36 PM	#25
Rooish Devil's Advocate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 2,130	Oh no you didn't! __________________ Thanks evan2000 for the sig!

04-05-2007, 06:26 PM	#26
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	OT Raph was basically Mirage Mike, more or less. Sadly enough, he was probably the closest thing to the original Michelangelo being depicted in something other than a black-and-white indie comic book. And, he was supposed to Raphael.... __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

04-05-2007, 09:38 PM	#28
Revan Han Shot First Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Paper Street Soap Company Posts: 3,687	Raph become funnier and more witty as the show progressed. Most of his smart comments in season one were totally lame. After the first season he got more into his smart alec self we all know. __________________

04-07-2007, 08:27 PM	#37
triplexxx Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,809	If anything, I'd say OT Raphael was pretty smart, of course, so is NT Raphael. __________________ Please don't shoot me Mr. Big Mike. I'm too young and good-looking to die, well too young. I got a father, I got a mother, I got a grandmother, I got a little sister...and a little brother this high (raises hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand) and then I got a great big brother this high (slaps gun and runs). "Fright Night" - Three Stooges

04-05-2007, 07:07 PM	#27
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,111	In season 1 Raph had a few angry out bursts during fights (GET OUT OF MY FACE, JERK!).

04-06-2007, 12:56 AM	#30
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	I always liked OT Raph, easily my favorite of the OT Turtles. Movie 1 Raph is my favorite Raph all around though.

04-06-2007, 01:01 AM	#32
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	What was that line he said in I think the third episode "Don't make me get SARCASTIC." and said it in such a serious manner

04-07-2007, 06:03 PM	#33
Sunshine Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: A nice little spot in the gutter where I keep my mind Posts: 1,437	I liked old cartoon Raph but not nearly as much. He really doesn't even seem like the same character at all. And from the moment I saw the first movie I loved the slightly darker Raph. He felt more real and I could just relate to him better. Raph from the old cartoon just seemed like he was missing something like we only saw one side of him. I preffer his other incarnations.

04-07-2007, 08:14 PM	#35
Sunshine Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: A nice little spot in the gutter where I keep my mind Posts: 1,437	I sadly have no idea what the comics are like. I've heard things but that's about it. I still think Mikey and Raph are the best but from what I've seen they both tend to get changed a bit more and a bit more often then the others from one incarnation to the next. Still there hasn't been any incarnations of them that I didn't like at least a bit. <3

04-07-2007, 09:09 PM	#38
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	Oh, I think new toon Raph is very, very smart, and has almost an intuition about him, in the sense on how he can read people and size up situations. He is also very savvy when it comes to his fighting, and sometimes, he comes off as brilliant in his innovativeness. He just tends to also have no fear, and I think that's what messes him up every now and then.