Which Splinter is better? - Page 2

*Jephael* · 02-22-2003, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

I dont care How he came to be, just as long as he's around...

I like both origins....I kinda had my own theory, too. that both Yoshi AND the pet Rat kinda got "fused" together, from the mutagen, so that the two became one. (dont ask how, its just an idea..

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Oh yeah, kinda like how they created Rocksteady and Bebop. I wish they had shown those two actually get mutated, but I suppose they were worried that would've been too heavy for the kids to grasp as well.

*J Legault* · 02-22-2003, 03:45 PM

Well there's quite alot of agreements here. For those of you that seen the new episode this morning it showed the Origin of Splinter in the pet rat plot. Even I think the episode didn't have any heavy matiral in it. I can't wait for the origin of Splinter's Master Yoshi on the show.

(P.S. this is my last post for this commit)

*Duke* · 02-22-2003, 11:38 PM

I've already posted on this like 5 times because it seems like everyone starts this thread. But i still like the original cartoon origin just because it is what i was first exposed to. The original mirage origin is going on me now that i've expanded my tmnt universe although i still have problems w/ the fact a rat knew ninjitsu.

tekcop · 02-22-2003, 11:47 PM

I like the rat-to-human/rat origin. It just seems more, uh... realistic?

**Karpo_007** · 02-23-2003, 01:55 AM

No it doesn't. Life forms can mutate because of radiation, but not chane species... It's not more realistic, thats for sure. Of course There is the part about a rat learning Ninitsu.... But it's fiction. It's not supposed to be realistic. There is just two origins, Original one, and one for kids[In the late 80's]. It's good to know we got the original original in the new show.

**azure turtle** · 02-23-2003, 03:23 AM

It's arguable that there are only two origin stories. The movies had a variation of the Mirage origin, and then there's the TNM origin story, but I know that many of you hate that one.

Personally, I liked the Mirage origin better. Splinter as a pet rat before being mutated is such a cool idea. I still enjoy the 'toon version, though, since it's what I grew up with.

*heretic888* · 02-23-2003, 10:47 AM

ok, everyone, its spelled NINJUTSU.

karpo is right that irradiated mutation is a far more likely scenario (albeit still unrealistic) than the species-swapping thing.

as for splinter learning ninjutsu before he mutated, the palladium rpg explains that splinter was most likely a mutant of some kind long before he was exposed to the mutagen...... this seems to be so due to his high level of intelligence (even as a rat) and unusually long lifespan.

translation: the mirage splinter is better. besides, he could just kick the cartoon splinter's ass, anyway.

Donatello02 · 02-23-2003, 11:47 AM

Yeah, but the movie Splinter looks all diseaed and sickly. The cartoon one looked alive, and kicked Shredder's ass every episode.

*Jephael* · 02-23-2003, 11:51 AM

The Archie Adventure Splinter had to be in the best of health though cause he really could kick ass in the series.

*heretic888* · 02-23-2003, 11:53 AM

yes but the mirage splinter, along with the new cartoon splinter, could kick all the turtles' asses combined. now, thats badass.

**Machias Banshee** · 02-23-2003, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephael

The Archie Adventure Splinter had to be in the best of health though cause he really could kick ass in the series.

Woohoo!

heh, I've read the few archies i have, and Splinter's always got that strong sense of leadership, even when Leo was leading the way...

hehehe, I always loved this site...its got three comics scanned. The end of the second, and most of the third have Splinter kicking serious butt (especially in the awesome samurai garb...so cool!

).

www.geocities.com/carthago/

~~Tokka-B~~ · 02-23-2003, 01:19 PM

Hmmm, wierd, I wouldn't have thought a ninja master would want to kick their own apprentices' asses.....that doesn't seem the "ninjaesque" thing to do...

**Karpo_007** · 02-23-2003, 01:21 PM

Yes it does. It's called training.

*Duke* · 02-23-2003, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by heretic888

ok, everyone, its spelled NINJUTSU.

Thanks for the spelling lesson.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 02-23-2003, 01:22 PM

Ok, then you and I have a slight different comparison of kicking someone's ass and training....to each their own I guess,

**Machias Banshee** · 02-23-2003, 03:02 PM

go look at the cartoon. Is Splinter beatin' their tails, or training them? You decide....

raphael90 · 02-23-2003, 03:42 PM

I like the cartoon story about him mutating from human to a rat I guess...

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Oh yeah, kinda like how they created Rocksteady and Bebop. I wish they had shown those two actually get mutated, but I suppose they were worried that would've been too heavy for the kids to grasp as well.

Yeah...but in another way its kinda cool how all of a sudden Shredder calls them out to fight and 'BAM!' there they are mutated. It's like to me "Oh cool!"

*pathogenic out*

Raphael · 02-23-2003, 03:45 PM

Can somebody recap the TNM origin for me, please?

*Jephael* · 02-23-2003, 03:49 PM

I thought the NM origin was the same as the movie origin.

Donatello02 · 02-23-2003, 03:49 PM

It is. It starts off where the third movie ended. I think. Either way, it blew.

02-22-2003, 03:45 PM	#22
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	Well there's quite alot of agreements here. For those of you that seen the new episode this morning it showed the Origin of Splinter in the pet rat plot. Even I think the episode didn't have any heavy matiral in it. I can't wait for the origin of Splinter's Master Yoshi on the show. (P.S. this is my last post for this commit) __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

02-23-2003, 03:23 AM	#26
azure turtle Mango Lovin' Mutant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 9,453	It's arguable that there are only two origin stories. The movies had a variation of the Mirage origin, and then there's the TNM origin story, but I know that many of you hate that one. Personally, I liked the Mirage origin better. Splinter as a pet rat before being mutated is such a cool idea. I still enjoy the 'toon version, though, since it's what I grew up with. __________________ "God, I love being a turtle!" Want to meet the only blue ninja turtle in existence? Come visit me at my Lair!

02-23-2003, 10:47 AM	#27
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmmm ok, everyone, its spelled NINJUTSU. karpo is right that irradiated mutation is a far more likely scenario (albeit still unrealistic) than the species-swapping thing. as for splinter learning ninjutsu before he mutated, the palladium rpg explains that splinter was most likely a mutant of some kind long before he was exposed to the mutagen...... this seems to be so due to his high level of intelligence (even as a rat) and unusually long lifespan. translation: the mirage splinter is better. besides, he could just kick the cartoon splinter's ass, anyway. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

02-23-2003, 11:47 AM	#28
Donatello02 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 503	Yeah, but the movie Splinter looks all diseaed and sickly. The cartoon one looked alive, and kicked Shredder's ass every episode. __________________ 'What ninja weapon did Don get? A stickball bat. Hey, you can call it a 'bo'. But you can call it a Ford Tempo too...it's still just a stick.'

02-23-2003, 11:51 AM	#29
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	The Archie Adventure Splinter had to be in the best of health though cause he really could kick ass in the series. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

02-22-2003, 11:38 PM	#23
Duke Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,913	I've already posted on this like 5 times because it seems like everyone starts this thread. But i still like the original cartoon origin just because it is what i was first exposed to. The original mirage origin is going on me now that i've expanded my tmnt universe although i still have problems w/ the fact a rat knew ninjitsu.

02-22-2003, 11:47 PM	#24
tekcop Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 334	I like the rat-to-human/rat origin. It just seems more, uh... realistic?

02-23-2003, 01:55 AM	#25
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	No it doesn't. Life forms can mutate because of radiation, but not chane species... It's not more realistic, thats for sure. Of course There is the part about a rat learning Ninitsu.... But it's fiction. It's not supposed to be realistic. There is just two origins, Original one, and one for kids[In the late 80's]. It's good to know we got the original original in the new show.

02-23-2003, 11:53 AM	#30
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmmm yes but the mirage splinter, along with the new cartoon splinter, could kick all the turtles' asses combined. now, thats badass. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

02-23-2003, 01:19 PM	#32
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Yea, and the flying moo-cows will eat Shredder...... Hmmm, wierd, I wouldn't have thought a ninja master would want to kick their own apprentices' asses.....that doesn't seem the "ninjaesque" thing to do...

02-23-2003, 01:21 PM	#33
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yes it does. It's called training.

02-23-2003, 01:22 PM	#35
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	Ok, then you and I have a slight different comparison of kicking someone's ass and training....to each their own I guess,

02-23-2003, 03:02 PM	#36
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	go look at the cartoon. Is Splinter beatin' their tails, or training them? You decide....

02-23-2003, 03:45 PM	#38
Raphael Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: England Posts: 143	Can somebody recap the TNM origin for me, please?

02-23-2003, 03:49 PM	#39
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I thought the NM origin was the same as the movie origin. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988