Fans reaction to angst in the turtles.

[Mandi-chan]

Raphael really hasn't been all that angsty in the 2k3 series though. And Don may not have been front and center the entire time but he has had the most suble development in the series of the turtles, and in my opinion the most profound. I think of all the turtles he's lost the most and had to deal with emotinal hurt by himself out of all of them.

That kirby episode

thinking he failed and lost The Fugitoid

being sent to a twisted future where his father was dead his brothers are at odds and then seeing each of them killed before his eyes.

having that blue skinned girl he got close too leave him him with just a lock of her hair as a memento.

losing all his experiments and files and codes he worked on with April when Karai wrecked their home, and the strain he felt from it.

His DNA being scrambled and turned into a monster in season four

and now his guilt over Splinter.

and lets not forget the ever present April thing.

it's pretty long list, I don't think any of the other turtles have a list of emotional hurt as long as Donatello's.

You took the words right out of my mouth!

[Leonardo15]

Another stressful moment for Don, was when he worked night and day on finding a cure for his friends underground. He was annoyed then with anyone who bothered him.

I'm not really bothered by the fact he going to be
"angsty" one for this season, he's been depressed and obsessed in his work before. Now they found their Sensei his angst will probably be shortly lived after all there only 11 episodes left.

[NightwatchersOnlygirl]

I think Leo been thowing more hissy fits than Raphael

[Jelly Bean]

Originally Posted by Leonardo15

Another stressful moment for Don, was when he worked night and day on finding a cure for his friends underground. He was annoyed then with anyone who bothered him.

I'm not really bothered by the fact he going to be
"angsty" one for this season, he's been depressed and obsessed in his work before. Now they found their Sensei his angst will probably be shortly lived after all there only 11 episodes left.

I think that was already mentioned.

I don't get why everyone says Don is so mellow and passive. He's ushually in a prickly and snappy mood if you bug him at the wrong moment when he's busy.

[Leonardo15]

Originally Posted by Jelly Bean

I think that was already mentioned.

Sorry, I didn't see it.

[NameGoesHere1066]

I don't mind angst at all as long it's handled well and give you another side their character and not just for a cliched angst situation, "oh noez, I didn't make the cheerleading squade, my life's over!"

There are some young teenage drama shows where I can't stand them because they are brimming over with frothy teenage angst where said character is just an annoying caracture of a whiney emo goth brat who spends all their time cutting them selves. yeah none of that, I don't need to see angsty teenagers just for the sake of angst.

I actually wish they would make Mikey angsty over something and make him brood if for no other reason than to show that Mikey has emotions and actually cares about something other than comics, video games, and junk food.

[Jelly Bean]

Originally Posted by The S

Leo just turned into Raph #2, and that was irritating. Don at least is showing different ranges in his depression.

And let it be known that I officially hate the word "angst". Too many conflicting consonants in a row. Plus whenever I think of the word, I think of the prettyboys on the ol' WB that look like the wind is always blowing in their hair and whine about problems that are way too mundane.

I really don't like it when people say that. Leo didn't turn into a Raph clone, thats like saying only Raph can get mean and violent and it's just his characteristics and no one else can get that way. Raph's anger is ushually explosive psychotic while Leo's was more of a quite silent type and calulating.

[Tomoshibi Amatsu]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

I don't get why every one is saying that Leo's angst wasn't character development or that he didn't have a good reason to be the way he was in season four. He felt like he failed his family and even though he didn't actually lose anything he came pretty damn close to it. Almost losing something is just as bad as actually losing it.

With Donatello, i'm not annoyed with his snappy and distant behavior because for one thing it's not like Don has ever been grumpy before and shut himself from the others because he's working on something. But this is the first time something this personal and important has happened to him so he feels he has to fix it. I like the way Tempus Fugit was played out involving Don leading up to the moment where he's made helpless to stop Viral from shooting Splinter and scattering him, and then his blaming him self. It all flows very well.

I agree. Leo had a good reason for being angsty during Season 4. I mean he even explained it himself. He's the oldest. He's the leader. He's the most responsible. He feels that the rest of his family relies on him, and after not only getting bitchslapped by Ch'rell but stabbed by Karai and forced to blow him and his family up along with the ship all because there was no other way of defeating Ch'rell. I can understand wholeheartedly why Leo felt the way he did.

He even explains his reasoning multiple times. He felt weak. He felt he wasn't good enough. That he should have been stronger and done more, and maybe things would have been different. Leo's pride and honor was deeply scarred by the events of Exodus, and since Leo is not usually such an angry character it was much harder for him to overcome his anger and feelings of inadequacy. Much harder than it would for Raph at least.

Lets face it. Leo might not have had any regrets when they decided to nuke the ship, but after being saved by the utroms and those events engraved into his memory. Not just Leo but anyone would feel "is that all I could do? Was there nothing more I could have done to protect those I love?" And for Leo... a guy who prides himself on protecting his family. It'd be weird if he wasn't blaming himself and angsting over it.

Originally Posted by NameGoesHere1066

I actually wish they would make Mikey angsty over something and make him brood if for no other reason than to show that Mikey has emotions and actually cares about something other than comics, video games, and junk food.

Where would the comedy relief be then?

[NameGoesHere1066]

Originally Posted by Tomoshibi Amatsu

I agree. Leo had a good reason for being angsty during Season 4. I mean he even explained it himself. He's the oldest. He's the leader. He's the most responsible. He feels that the rest of his family relies on him, and after not only getting bitchslapped by Ch'rell but stabbed by Karai and forced to blow him and his family up along with the ship all because there was no other way of defeating Ch'rell. I can understand wholeheartedly why Leo felt the way he did.

He even explains his reasoning multiple times. He felt weak. He felt he wasn't good enough. That he should have been stronger and done more, and maybe things would have been different. Leo's pride and honor was deeply scarred by the events of Exodus, and since Leo is not usually such an angry character it was much harder for him to overcome his anger and feelings of inadequacy. Much harder than it would for Raph at least.

Lets face it. Leo might not have had any regrets when they decided to nuke the ship, but after being saved by the utroms and those events engraved into his memory. Not just Leo but anyone would feel "is that all I could do? Was there nothing more I could have done to protect those I love?" And for Leo... a guy who prides himself on protecting his family. It'd be weird if he wasn't blaming himself and angsting over it.?

words taken out of mouth

Where would the comedy relief be then?

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Jelly Bean

I really don't like it when people say that. Leo didn't turn into a Raph clone....

I'm sorry, I was confused by Leo doing EVERYTHING Raph does when he's upset. The only thing he did that Raph doesn't is whine about it.

[Tomoshibi Amatsu]

Originally Posted by NameGoesHere1066

words taken out of mouth

Well what can I say? I don't wanna feel like I'm watching a soap opera or one of those super serious drama shows you see on prime time TV.

and to be perfectly honest Leo, Don, and Raph are just far too serious to take up the role of comedy relief if Mikey's the one being a downer. So unless they have Casey in every single episode filling in that role for Mike. I'd say it's better off if Mike stays in his comic relief role. Suits him best in my view.

[Jelly Bean]

that's awfully limiting as a character to do that. Mikey is one of the main characters too so why can't he have more involved storylines given to him instead of just ones where he is skate boarding or tossing his cookies. And hello? There are other comedic characters on the show other than Mikey. theres Serling and Casey Jones to name two, and not all comedy has to be at some ones expence, which is the bulk of any humour involving Mikey saddly.

[Buslady]

Raph has barely exhibited "teenage angst" throughout the whole series...bits here & there...but very little fear or anxiety.

I never understood why it says in his profile that he puts to shame any human teen's angst. Im like...huh?

[Tomoshibi Amatsu]

Originally Posted by Jelly Bean

that's awfully limiting as a character to do that. Mikey is one of the main characters too so why can't he have more involved storylines given to him instead of just ones where he is skate boarding or tossing his cookies. And hello? There are other comedic characters on the show other than Mikey. theres Serling and Casey Jones to name two, and not all comedy has to be at some ones expence, which is the bulk of any humour involving Mikey saddly.

But the thing is Casey and Serling can't be in every single minute of every single episode to fill the comedy relief gap for Mikey can they?

Besides at least this version of mikey doesn't go around talking about how much he wants to eat pizza so much that they base an entire episode on trying to break his pizza cravings. Honestly I get the impression that people think all 2k3 Mikey does is crack jokes all the time and that's not true. Maybe in FF but that was more about the jokes anyways. In the more serious seasons Mikey has always shown a serious side when the time calls for it. I mean you don't really see him cracking jokes when the turtles are fighting a serious threat. Like any version of the shredder for instance.

So why does he have to be a sourpuss? You don't always need to have angst to get character development.