Birth dates?

[Ulisses31]

Check them here http://www.ninjaturtles.com/toys/1988.htm

The cardbacks are there.

Someone knows the size of a 1year turtle? If they mutated in their first 6 months, Leo would have 1 and 1/2 years and mike 1 year old when that happened, they were no baby turtles.

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by Ulisses31

Someone knows the size of a 1year turtle? If they mutated in their first 6 months, Leo would have 1 and 1/2 years and mike 1 year old when that happened, they were no baby turtles.

Turtle maturity depends on the size. Most are mature at around 5 - 15 years of age depending on the species. But generally it depends more on size than age.

[Roland]

The playmates toys of 2002 says that all four turtles height is 5'2'' and age is 15 and weight is 180 lbs.

[Navin Johnson]

I always thought of Raph being oldest and Leo next. Thats partly why Raph has such a
problem listening to Leo. He does'nt want to take orders from a younger brother.

[shuriken]

Originally Posted by Navin Johnson

I always thought of Raph being oldest and Leo next. Thats partly why Raph has such a
problem listening to Leo. He does'nt want to take orders from a younger brother.

I would agree if Donnie and Leo didn't seem more mature than he did.

[gobo]

Psychological maturity has nothing to do with age. This is the abuse of statistics exemplified. Correlation does not equal causation. Not all people are created equal. We'd come from a factory if that fairy tale were true.

[Luzmagica]

I traslate this ...of course Im agree with gobo...
But there are some tendencies i like post for discuss....

""But you can never say that a child for being the firstborn, the second or fifth is determined to provide fixed and invariable characteristics, but the studies seem to find it much more likely, according to the same order, present a different personality sign.

In this way, always in general terms, one can say that the former is usually more serious, more formal, responsible, orderly and introverted, is the recipient of values, that being an only child receives more attention and commitment (of time) positively and negatively. They tend to be more precocious and lonely individual or the rest of the family because at birth the second desentronización experience a kind of making them by themselves accomplish many areas previously dealt with the support of parents.

The second son, or medium in the order, it is usually more diplomatic and happy, because unlike the former already has a certain "open road" that has left the greatest, parents already have experience and not overprotective So for what its degree of sociability and competitiveness will be greater than in the case of first, establishing a kind of a struggle to try to outdo the other and the first for trying to defend what they consider theirs.

As more offspring, parental education is weakened, and the youngest is usually more spoiled and pampered and somewhat rebellious, and perhaps a little predictable. While the latter precisely because, not having any other that will keep his position of attention, the pampering can arouse a certain feeling of inferiority to his older brothers but might also be more open way all his brothers were exceeded."""

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Another post:
"""Older sisters, younger brothers or half brothers are more than simple labels that people use to describe a family psychologists argue that birth order of siblings has an impact on all aspects of the personality of a child.
Older brothers, younger brothers

First born or first-born: The first children born are natural leaders. Often tend to perfectionism, and are trustworthy and conscientious. Children born first does not react well against surprises and can be aggressive, but often pleasurable. Children born to first tend to have a strong need for approval from others. Examples of first born children include Oprah Winfrey, Peter Jennings, Rush Limbaugh and more than half of the presidents of the United States.
Only children: Only children are similar to the first-born children. The characteristics of an only child, however, tend to be strengthened. They are more perfectionistic, more responsible and tend to get along better with people older than individuals of the same age. Examples of only children are Robin Williams, Natalie Portman, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Frank Sinatra and Lauren Bacall.

Children in the middle: The middle children are generally more difficult to stereotype. They tend to be the opposite of his older brother, but this can manifest in a variety of ways. The middle children typically feel that their older brother steals the attention, while the younger brother could commit murder and get away with it. They tend to be reserved, more staffs and less likely to talk about their emotions. Since middle children often feel that their family does not pay enough attention, create stronger ties with their peers, are excellent readers of the feelings of others and are great conciliators.

The youngest child: Children born latter tend to be outgoing, social butterflies. They are also more financially unstable of all the brothers as their main concern is usually that of some fun. The youngest son of the family is often very charming, but manipulative and spoiled. Examples of minor children are Billy Crystal, Goldie Hawn, Drew Carey, Jim Carrey and Steve Martin.

While these are typical given by birth order, there are some exceptions, such as when there is a lot of time between births of each, allowing the mix of features, or if the first child is a girl and the next child. Deaths, adoptions and blended families may also affect these characteristics"""

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[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Luzmagica

I traslate this ...of course Im agree with gobo...
But there are some tendencies i like post for discuss....
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Interesting reading, and surely something to consider, it's just....didn't Splinter find them all at the same time?

I totally see using this information as a means by which to assume their birth order via their behavior, but I don't know that the circumstances the quotes require actually could have happened.

[shuriken]

Originally Posted by gobo

Psychological maturity has nothing to do with age. This is the abuse of statistics exemplified. Correlation does not equal causation. Not all people are created equal. We'd come from a factory if that fairy tale were true.

This is true. If that were the case my sister wouldn't be more mature than my brother (who is 8 years older). Point is this thread is just a matter of opinion unless you base it all on the character cards from the playmates toys which are either A) all 15 or B) In orderfrom oldest to youngest Leo, Mikey and Don/Raph. To be frank though Idoubt anyone will change their minds when this thread is over and done with.

[Spacebabie]

It looked like they celebrated on different days in the 4kids toon. One of raph's favorite memories was pushing Mikey's face down into his own birthday cake.

[Luzmagica]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Interesting reading, and surely something to consider, it's just....didn't Splinter find them all at the same time?

I totally see using this information as a means by which to assume their birth order via their behavior, but I don't know that the circumstances the quotes require actually could have happened.

Could be because they are all adopted, or because... I read somewhere even twin brothers, the first in born (just for a few seconds or one minute) take the big bro rol...and second the little bro rol, even when they was born almost at same time ...perhaps It happened with the four at same time founded by Splinter...Simply digressing...

[Koi]

I was looking at wikipedia, it said Raph is second oldest in the 2k3.

"Raphael appears to live in the shadow of Leonardo and resents his brother's social position in the group. This was only confirmed in the new cartoon, and the reasons for so stated, where in his pre-teen years, he competed with Leonardo for leadership of the Turtles (because he is the strongest in might though he is the second youngest according to the creators)"

Also on wiki for Mike

While he loves to relax, party, and eat pizza, this Turtle also has an adventurous and creative side. He is the youngest of the four

So
Leo
Raph
Don
Mike

[Sage Ninja]

I hate how they put that Raph is second oldst to Leo in recent incarnations. I've always thought of Raph as the second to youngest.

Children in the middle: The middle children are generally more difficult to stereotype. They tend to be the opposite of his older brother, but this can manifest in a variety of ways. The middle children typically feel that their older brother steals the attention, while the younger brother could commit murder and get away with it. They tend to be reserved, more staffs and less likely to talk about their emotions. Since middle children often feel that their family does not pay enough attention, create stronger ties with their peers, are excellent readers of the feelings of others and are great conciliators.

wow, I'm the middle child and this is sooo me!

Yeah. Mikey's birthdate in that ep was given as around January 16th

huh? I thought it was August or July. The calender had a beach picture on it with a palm tree.

And I'm not all that surprised Mike is the second oldest in the OT. They never played him up as the youngest in that series and he never really acted like he was the youngest. He just had a more extraverted and fun loving personalty in that medium. Which I appreciated.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Aren't they 15 when the 1987 cartoon begins? If it's set in the present, then they would be born in 1972.

[Jelly Bean]

I always thought it was floating timeline.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Jelly Bean

I always thought it was floating timeline.

Yes, but since the show only aired for 9 years (1987-1996), it was not that floating timeline like Simpsons or Superman. It may be a bigger problem for the Mirage comics. I'm not a fan of floating timelines.

[Oniri]

I never officially checked, but I always thought of them as ( oldest to youngest): Leo, Raph, Don, Mikey. Here are my reasons based off of some child psychology stuff both from books and my own experiences:

With Leo, I choose oldest because the first born tend to be held responsible for the other siblings . The first child sometimes end up a little bitter/ stressed/ bossy at younger siblings due to the constant responsibility and feel a bit cheated out of the gentleness/freedoms that his/her younger siblings received. Raph makes this time of stress pretty hard to take, so I figure it is a good reason for Leo's side of the Leo V.S. Raph arguments.

With Raph, I figure that second child would make ALOT of sense actually. He is older than the others, making him more mature in his own way (thus some of his pessimistic charms). He does not get the "gentleness" that the younger siblings have and may feel a certain amount of responsibility, having a similar stress to Leo. However he is still under the constant watch of an older sibling, causing restriction of responsibilities and power without the benefit of the freedoms of being younger. This increases his stress and gives him a middle child syndrome, causing Raph's side of the Leo V.S. Raph arguments.

With Don, I figure second youngest is best. This position is a good place to be for anyone. Though this can count as the middle child, it's on another end of the spectrum. He doesn't have the same amount of responsibility stress as the other two. He still has some authority over a younger sibling, but not too much because there are two others that pretty much has that covered and would be too much to fight for it. The youngest child tends to get the most attention/ abused from the other siblings. With pretty much a lack of everything, this type of middle child tends to get left out/forgotten. Though this can lead to some social issues, it does allow the child to have a lot of time to himself. Don's cool mood, quietness and love for science could have all been developed from lacking the attention of his brothers and having to entertain himself.


With Mikey, being youngest is best for him because the youngest tend to be a bit spoiled and immature. The youngest also tends to have stress from being under the constant watch of his older siblings and having no authority, which could explain some of Mikey's self-esteem issues.

I hope that makes sense.

[Sage Ninja]

this Raph us second oldest to Leo crap has only been around I since the 2k3 series. I swaer it wasn't like that before then.

[Koi]

The TMNT will I swear forever be 15 in most incarnations. I mean playmates hasn't changed there age for the past few incarnations on the back of the boxes.

[Oniri]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

this Raph us second oldest to Leo crap has only been around I since the 2k3 series. I swaer it wasn't like that before then.

I barely watched the 2k3 series (only caught a few episodes here and there). My thinking of Raph as second to Leo came from what I felt in the comics and the old cartoon (mostly the comics). However, I do realize I'm probably the oddball in this case. It doesn't really matter since they are so close in age.