DC Comics are starting over. Beggining EVERY Issue at number one this fall.

[azrael]

Im a little upset with Barbara being batgirl again New batgirl book with the old batgirl...

[Turo602]

They suriously ruined Batman and Superman's looks. You can't mess with iconic. What the hell!

[azrael]

they honestly didnt mess with them 2 that much look at red robin.... thats horrific

I like both Supes and Bats new looks.

[PizzaPower]

i never read any of the dc comics but all these batman comics and whatnot confuse the hell out of me.

[Turo602]

As a new costume I don't mind Superman but as a new look that will stick it bothers me. His red underwear and his yellow belt are missing. His red boots aren't the same, and his trademark curl is gone. Superman was not in need of change. At least not his look.

Batman. Now Batman I don't mind because it looks like Batman but again, the underwear is gone. He looks like he's wearing diapers under his tights. I wouldn't mind it if his costume were all black, but it's not. The gray on him just looks goofy. There's not enough black. And his belt isn't yellow either. I would of preferred all black with a yellow belt and the yellow oval with the Bat symbol on his chest.

[azrael]

Originally Posted by PizzaPower

i never read any of the dc comics but all these batman comics and whatnot confuse the hell out of me.

we take it one month at a time...

[azrael]

Originally Posted by Turo602

As a new costume I don't mind Superman but as a new look that will stick it bothers me. His red underwear and his yellow belt are missing. His red boots aren't the same, and his trademark curl is gone. Superman was not in need of change. At least not his look.

Batman. Now Batman I don't mind because it looks like Batman but again, the underwear is gone. He looks like he's wearing diapers under his tights. I wouldn't mind it if his costume were all black, but it's not. The gray on him just looks goofy. There's not enough black. And his belt isn't yellow either. I would of preferred all black with a yellow belt and the yellow oval with the Bat symbol on his chest.

I agree the look didnt need to be messed with Superman but if thats what it takes to make you feel like superman isnt b or c list character I will take it.

[Fugitoid Jones]

Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

He was never "dead" in the first place. His brain shot through time or something ridiculous like that. They did almost the exact same thing with Captain America. Bruce is now co-Batman alongside Dick and has started a "Batman Inc.", proposing that Batman is bigger than one person, but instead can be a global idea, with many Batman-esque superheroes around the world joining his cause.

This is one of the reasons why I'm kind of looking forward to the reboot. Wash away all the ridiculous crap that guys like Grant Morrison have done to Batman and Superman over the past few years.

[The Clerk]

...I wonder if Chloe will now be in Superman...

[Fugitoid Jones]

Originally Posted by The Clerk

...I wonder if Chloe will now be in Superman...

Actually she has been for like a year or 2. She's been involved with Jimmy Olsen.

[ZariusTwo]

Say goodbye to Superman's marraige

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/07...n-of-tomorrow/

[Leo656]

I'm a huge Superman fan. I was born into the Reeve movies and the 50s tv show, got into the comics with the Man of Steel reboot as a 4-year old, sat through countless retcons, reboots, awesome-to-horrible cartoons and movies, spent a small fortune accumulating every single Superman comic from '86 to 2010, and never gave up.

I don't want any of this. This sounds WRETCHED. And I love Morrison and Perez, generally speaking, but I HATE the way Morrison looks at Superman and his love affair with all the corny 60s nonsense. And splitting up Lois and Clark is just the laziest kind of retconning. "We don't like mushy lovey stuff in our super-hero comics". Never mind that Lois and the Kents make him a more interesting character. "Kal-El the alien outsider" is BORING, and that's the character 99% of Superman haters comment on. Only a few writers even make the effort to focus on how the supporting cast, Lois in particular, are this "alien's" link to humanity, how the thinks and feels as a human being (or at least he DID) rather than some alien deity. But hey, let's just wipe all that out because the only thing they THINK people wanna see Superman do is brood and toss skyscrapers around like some kind of mid-90s Image character.

Superman/Clark "outsmarting" Lois all the damn time to protect his secret identity was corny, stupid and played out before I was even born. She has got to be the stupidest "investigative journalist" ever, to spend like 8 hours a day with "Clark" and the rest of the day getting rescued by "Superman" and STILL not see they're the same guy. Other people it makes sense, but she sees him more than anyone else face to face, so it just makes her a retard. That's why I loved it when they finally had him do the big reveal and married them off. It's like, "yeah, about damn time, now we can move on to some new stuff that hasn't been done to death." You don't move forward by moving backwards.

Plus we get a sh*tty new origin that sounds like it's gonna be worse than Birthright, which I do give them credit in a sense for: I seriously thought Birthright was the worst version of the origin they could do. I'm usually the first to say "well, let's read it and see," but there's almost no way this can be good, from the sound of it. I was tentative about Geoff Johns' "Secret Origin", but I ended up loving it even with all the retcons. It's my second-favorite Superman origin, right after Man of Steel, and it was not even TWO YEARS AGO for crying out loud. They not only didn't need a retcon this soon, they didn't need a retcon AT ALL! It was good enough to stand as the definitive origin for at least a while. Stupid, stupid, STUPID.

I was cautiously optimistic about the DC relaunch; I've been broke and haven't gotten any books in a year, but when I left off with Brightest Day I was loving pretty much EVERYTHING DC was doing. I'm still jumping back in with the relaunch, but man, I'm depressed about it, because 99% of it looks like it's going to suck. I spent an entire day seriously thinking about just quitting. God knows I could use the money I'd save, but comics have been my main hobby since I learned to read.

I guess I'll just hold my nose, swallow the suck, and hope that by next year at the latest this New DC has already gone the way of New Coke. It doesn't make sense that they sh*tcan everything and start over just when the entire line was as good if not better than it's ever been.

[ZariusTwo]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...l_in_supe.html

Yep, back to Lois being all rejecting of Clark in favour of boy toys, with Clark feeling isolated and lonely again

[Jester]

Yeah, because fans loved it so much when Marvel did it with Spider-man. Way to learn from the competition's mistakes DC.

EDIT: Also, is Superman wearing body armor?

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by Fugitoid Jones

This is one of the reasons why I'm kind of looking forward to the reboot. Wash away all the ridiculous crap that guys like Grant Morrison have done to Batman and Superman over the past few years.

Except that Batman is one of the characters that is keeping his recent history so all Grant Morrison's Batman stories are still valid. In fact his series Batman Inc will also be getting a new #1.

And Morrison has also being handed Superman. Of course since he wrote the only Superman story in recent years I'd say he's entitled.

Originally Posted by Turo602

As a new costume I don't mind Superman but as a new look that will stick it bothers me. His red underwear and his yellow belt are missing. His red boots aren't the same, and his trademark curl is gone. Superman was not in need of change. At least not his look.

Well there's a very real possibility that by 2013 DC may no longer own the classic Superman costume due to the Schuster lawsuit.

It shouldn't go unnoticed that Supe's new costume gets rid of all the stuff that the Schusters may get. A blue leotard, a yellow belt, red trunks. I'd even bet the erasure of the marriage is also to do with the fact that may have to eliminate a love interest named "Lois" altogether.

Now Batman I don't mind because it looks like Batman but again, the underwear is gone. He looks like he's wearing diapers under his tights. I wouldn't mind it if his costume were all black, but it's not. The gray on him just looks goofy. There's not enough black. And his belt isn't yellow either. I would of preferred all black with a yellow belt and the yellow oval with the Bat symbol on his chest.

It seems similar is Batman Inc anyway minus the oval and clearly visible cod piece. The design of his belt has always been interchangable depending on the artist. Personaly I'm not sure the all black works in the comics. DC tried a Tim Burton-esque costume after Zero Hour if rememeber correctly and it just didn't look good.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah this whole continuity thing on Superman's side makes no sense....if the death of Superman still occured, yet Clark was never involved in a relationship with Lois Lane, then how do you explain all of the touchy moments they had in that story? Supergirl's past has been retconned out and restarted as well. Why does Superboy get to keep his whole history?

As for Batman...well, he's always kept his history during these reboots, and his whole concept as an urban myth allows him to have more than five years of existence in the public eye, so just ignore all the cosmic stuff Morrison put him through and he's fine.

Originally Posted by Galactus

I'd even bet the erasure of the marriage is also to do with the fact that may have to eliminate a love interest named "Lois" altogether.

Which also explains why the new continuity has Lois admit she can't get close to Clark at all and is with a new boyfriend right off the bat...she's also working in a much higher posistion than Clark in the Daily Planet, so they'll be connected less.

[ToTheNines]

This all sounds like garbage. A friend of mine told me Wally West is gone now, too... is that bull **** true?

[Venom]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

This all sounds like garbage. A friend of mine told me Wally West is gone now, too... is that bull **** true?

Short answer without being convoluted: yes. It's Barry. Kid Flash is Bart.

[Leo656]

Way to erase EVERYTHING I grew up reading, DC. I grew up with Wally as The Flash. He's been around since the 60s or some sh*t, it's not like they're wiping out tiny little pieces of history.

This ALL sounds like sh*t. I've reserved the first few issues of a few just to see how I like it, but the more I hear the more it seems likely I'm going to focus my collecting on the rest of the DCU stuff published from the 80s until the end of Flashpoint. Since the New Universe will have no resemblance to what I grew up on and invested thousands of dollars and years of my life to, it seems to make more sense to collect the stuff I liked and let that be "my DCU," especially since that universe now has a decisive beginning in 1986, a middle, and now, with Flashpoint, the end.

Ugh, it finally happened. I'm one of those cranky old bastards who quit reading comics forever after Crisis On Infinite Earths. I hope that slipping sales force them to "Un-Flashpoint" everything back to what it was within a year. The last few years of DC books were amazing; why ruin it just because a few snot-nosed punks can't get into the mythology?

Having the past few years of books from Identity Crisis through Blackest Night be so amazing, then having this happen... it's like 3 hours of amazing sex and then popping a bloody wad at the end. To wit: confusing and horrifying.

[ZariusTwo]

Apparently D.C discussed the possibility of ending the current continuity with special "finale" type storys (like "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tommorow") but decided against it because they didnt want to cheat the reader

At least when BND began, Marvel gave their fans decent jumping-off points with "Mr and Mrs Spider-Man", Spider-Girl, and Matt Fraction's "To Have and To Hold"...here D.C arent giving us anything

For me, I'll just accept DeFalco's upcoming Superman Beyond one-shot as the "finale" for the present Superman continuity, same as Batman Beyond serves as the definitive future for Bruce.