Obama Healthcare upheld in court today

[Jester]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

As for the candidates, I hate both of them and don't trust either one. So, you won't see me in a voting booth as I hate politicians and think they're just crooks.

I was so seriously contemplating Ron Paul...and I may still vote for the guy. For a politician he seems some how honest, ya know. I may not agree with him on every thing, but he's stood for what he believes for years, and hasn't waffled and changed positions when it's convenient, like both Romney and Obama.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I'll just say the same thing, I say to everyone: For us Europeans, who take health care for granted, this debate is confusing and most of the time hilarious.

Funny you should say that. A British girl on DeviantART has told us that she doesn't like Britain's National Heath Service. Also, David Sedaris, an American living in France, has said that when he goes to the doctor, he usually doesn't get treatment and is told that his problem will clear up on its own. So maybe public health care isn't what it's cracked up to be.

Also, the Supreme Court only said that the individual mandate is allowed under the US Constitution. It doesn't mean that Obamacare cannot be repealed, which it may well be.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

As for the candidates, I hate both of them and don't trust either one. So, you won't see me in a voting booth as I hate politicians and think they're just crooks.

Oh, there are occasionally politicians who are good, though they are rare. And I live in Cook County, Illinois, which has had plenty of bad politicians-which is why I never believed the hype about how Obama was going to be so fantastic. Now a lot of people realize what I knew all along.

[mysterycolor]

Originally Posted by Jester

I was so seriously contemplating Ron Paul...and I may still vote for the guy. For a politician he seems some how honest, ya know. I may not agree with him on every thing, but he's stood for what he believes for years, and hasn't waffled and changed positions when it's convenient, like both Romney and Obama.

Ron Paul, a true Pittsburgh treasure

[The Stryker]

Awesome. Now maybe somebody's mom won't die from cancer in the span of 3 months due to not having health insurance.

Keep on with your political rambling because it's soooooo important that you get to keep your precious precious money to fritter away on ninja turtle bullsh*t.

[Jester]

That doesn't change much. My mother-in-law was eaten alive by cancer in the same 3 month span, and she did have insurance. All it did was make it more comfortable for her to die.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Awesome. Now maybe somebody's mom won't die from cancer in the span of 3 months due to not having health insurance.

Keep on with your political rambling because it's soooooo important that you get to keep your precious precious money to fritter away on ninja turtle bullsh*t.

And you seriously believe that Obamacare has brought health insurance protection to the people who hadn't had it before? Guess again. It was a leftist who has told me that this wasn't the case.

[mysterycolor]

Originally Posted by Jester

That doesn't change much. My mother-in-law was eaten alive by cancer in the same 3 month span, and she did have insurance. All it did was make it more comfortable for her to die.

i think you mean to say, it wouldnt have changed much in my mother-in-law's situation... to say "that doesnt change much" as pertaining to all cancer/treatments is pure ignorance...

[Jester]

True, but in cases where you are that eaten up by cancer, there's little hope, insurance or no.

[mysterycolor]

Originally Posted by Jester

True, but in cases where you are that eaten up by cancer, there's little hope, insurance or no.

but there are extreme cases with almost any illness or condition (even the flu!) certainly you wouldnt say "oh you have cancer? well no need to get that healthcare (that you can now afford and you can't be denied) because it will simply kill you and make no difference, i can see the future and that is how your cells will mutate and spread, i know this because it happened to someone completely different than you"

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

And you seriously believe that Obamacare has brought health insurance protection to the people who hadn't had it before? Guess again. It was a leftist who has told me that this wasn't the case.

Oh really? One person told you one thing on something? A person I don't know and have no knowledge on besides you saying that they were a leftist? Oh! Well that changes everything!

Also, save it Jester. Don't care about your bullsh*t either.

[愛]

So for people who get health insurance through their place of employment...this whole thing means nothing. Got it.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Oh really? One person told you one thing on something? A person I don't know and have no knowledge on besides you saying that they were a leftist? Oh! Well that changes everything!

I certainly heard no evidence otherwise. If you can find evidence that now more people have health insurance coverage thanks to Obama, let's see it. I've yet to hear any Obama supporters saying that the health care system has gotten better.

And BTW, they already have a statewide system in the state of Massachussetts where you have to buy health insurance, and if you cannot afford it, you can buy a special state policy. Trouble is, one Massachussetts resident I've talked to has told me that though he couldn't afford regular insurance, he wasn't allowed to buy the state policy. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

Funny you should say that. A British girl on DeviantART has told us that she doesn't like Britain's National Heath Service. Also, David Sedaris, an American living in France, has said that when he goes to the doctor, he usually doesn't get treatment and is told that his problem will clear up on its own. So maybe public health care isn't what it's cracked up to be.

Yes, you are right. Two people have said that it's no good so it must be true.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Yes, you are right. Two people have said that it's no good so it must be true.

If I mentioned five would that have made a difference to you? In other words, I did provide evidence of what I said being true.

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

If I mentioned five would that have made a difference to you? In other words, I did provide evidence of what I said being true.

[citation needed]

Also, like other Europeans said: Utterly confusing.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I'll just say the same thing, I say to everyone: For us Europeans, who take health care for granted, this debate is confusing and most of the time hilarious.

In the US, we hear two sides about healthcare in other countries. On the one side, people say we are way behind on the issue. The opposing side that doesn't want any healthcare reform tells horror stories about Canada and Europe, about how people have to wait forever for treatment, etc.

The fear mongering side is so vocal that I sometimes wonder if there is remotely any truth to what they say. After all, why the heck would someone be opposed to healthcare being more available to people in need, unless they really like the "screw you, got mine" attitude?

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by Mr._Mutant_Man

The opposing side that doesn't want any healthcare reform tells horror stories about Canada and Europe, about how people have to wait forever for treatment, etc.

Sometimes people do have to wait a long time. Months in worst case-scenarios.

This obviously doesn't apply to critical **** like cancer or whatever. It's more like "Oh, your hips are a little worn out and they hurt? Wait two months and we'll fix that with surgery.

But if you are in a hurry (at least here in Sweden, don't know about the rest of Europe) and you have the money, you can always choose to go to a private hospital instead. No biggie.

There is an annual "fee" for medicine, if you have some chronic ****. The government will pay most of it, and the patient will NEVER have to pay more than 2600 SEK (375 USD at the moment) a year.

Necessary plastic surgery (like on a severely burnt person) has the same price tag. Unnecessary plastic surgery is paid for in full by the patient.

Dental care isn't included, but more and more citizens and politicians think that it should be. It probably will be if we get a left-leaning government after the election in two years.

So that's basically Swedish health care. Doesn't sound so scary now, does it?

[Mayhem]

Yes, that's basically the health system here too. It's not like the national system is the ONLY system that is available. If you have the insurance, or the money, or the referrals, then you can have treatment on the private system, just like how all US hospitals operate. The national system is there for routine or minor procedures, or a safety net to help treat people who cannot go private. And that's the part that the fearmongers in the US who point out the negative aspects of the systems in Europe tend to ignore.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by PAAATE

Sometimes people do have to wait a long time. Months in worst case-scenarios.

This obviously doesn't apply to critical **** like cancer or whatever. It's more like "Oh, your hips are a little worn out and they hurt? Wait two months and we'll fix that with surgery.

But if you are in a hurry (at least here in Sweden, don't know about the rest of Europe) and you have the money, you can always choose to go to a private hospital instead. No biggie.

There is an annual "fee" for medicine, if you have some chronic ****. The government will pay most of it, and the patient will NEVER have to pay more than 2600 SEK (375 USD at the moment) a year.

Necessary plastic surgery (like on a severely burnt person) has the same price tag. Unnecessary plastic surgery is paid for in full by the patient.

Dental care isn't included, but more and more citizens and politicians think that it should be. It probably will be if we get a left-leaning government after the election in two years.

So that's basically Swedish health care. Doesn't sound so scary now, does it?

Except is there the money for it? Wait until the economy goes bad and the government has to make cutbacks, and you think the health care system won't be affected? As an Illinois resident, I know that it will. Look at the public hospitals closing and the medical people not getting paid by Medicaid. So we Americans aren't so irrational after all.