Paul Dini won't write next Arkham Game

[oldmanwinters]

One thing I really appreciate about the Batman franchise is that he can be done well as a dark, moody character (post Frank Miller), but the more optimistic Silver Age "team player" interpretation still works just as well in the proper context.

Batman is a versatile character, and I hope he always will be in popular media.

[The Stryker]

Great? Because that's done already. Batman, Spider-man and Superman are worldwide cultural icons.

To keep this somewhat relevant, the Arkham games though are just ok. I never get the Game Of The Year talk surrounding those games.

[Andrew NDB]

Screw Paul Dini, good riddance. He "wrote" Bane in both games like he was in the Batman & Robin movie... that bothered me -- a lot.

New voice actors? No problem. TMNT fandom is the only place I've seen there being this weird god-like reverence for voice actors.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

TMNT fandom is the only place I've seen there being this weird god-like reverence for voice actors.

Hi, are you new to the internet?

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Screw Paul Dini, good riddance. He "wrote" Bane in both games like he was in the Batman & Robin movie... that bothered me -- a lot.

I think Dini was one of those creative types who always looked at Bane as a gimmick character unworthy of the Batman rogues gallery. I don't think he or Timm & Co ever had much respect for characters born out of the "Doomsday" mold who were invented simply to kill or cripple major heroes.

Regarding the VA thing... I think just about every fandom obsesses over their favorite ones. Didn't fan-pressure get Peter Cullen the role in the Transformers films?

[Xav]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I'm guessing Hamill is pretty much recorded his last Joker lines, so I can't see recasting him just to bring him back from the dead.

But this is a prequel and other people have voiced the Joker before. So why not bring in someone else like Kevin Michael Richardson or something?

[Cure]

Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

Hi, are you new to the internet?

Just because you and Jester worship them, doesn't mean everyone else does.

[AquaParade]

Andrew, you kind of have a point, but I would argue Batman fans can be the same way regarding Kevon Conroy and Mark Hamill.

I'll be excited for whatever Batman game Rocksteady cooks up at this point. They have earned my trust, overall.

[psych23232323]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Screw Paul Dini, good riddance. He "wrote" Bane in both games like he was in the Batman & Robin movie... that bothered me -- a lot.

What the hell are you talking about?

Bane in Schumacher's movie was just a muscle bound idiot.

Dini's version and Schumacher's version are different.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by psych23232323

Bane in Schumacher's movie was just a muscle bound idiot.

That's his point.

[psych23232323]

Originally Posted by Cure

That's his point.

There were differences though between the two versions.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

I think Dini was one of those creative types who always looked at Bane as a gimmick character unworthy of the Batman rogues gallery. I don't think he or Timm & Co ever had much respect for characters born out of the "Doomsday" mold who were invented simply to kill or cripple major heroes.

You probably hit the nail on the head. So screw him.

Didn't fan-pressure get Peter Cullen the role in the Transformers films?

From everything I recall reading at the time they signed him pretty much from the gate, fan pressure or no fan pressure.

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Andrew, you kind of have a point, but I would argue Batman fans can be the same way regarding Kevon Conroy and Mark Hamill.

Probably.

Originally Posted by psych23232323

What the hell are you talking about?

Bane in Schumacher's movie was just a muscle bound idiot.

Dini's version and Schumacher's version are different.

How? Both in the Arkham games and Batman & Robin he's portrayed as a short, skinny man that suddenly inflates to cartoonish proportions when injected with venom (these are the only two universes where this happens)... and his intelligence doesn't rise beyond, "RAHHHH!!!!" or other stupidity. It's literally like Dini based his Arkham Bane off of Batman & Robin Bane and nothing else.

Both are the antithesis of Bane in the comics.

[Brodie]

WHat about when Dini wrote Bane in the animated series and he wasn't like he was in that movie? Specifically the episode where Barbara dies. He wasn't a musclebound idiot. he was just a Merc working for Gordon, someone to track down Batman with his particular set of skills--Not the Venom injections, but actual skill.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Cure

Just because you and Jester worship them, doesn't mean everyone else does.

Dude....we're tame in comparison to some of the people outside this site elsewhere on ye olde Interwebs.

No, not everyone does, but there are people out there that are worse than either me or Ninji.

[Spitfire]

Seems like a dumb move to do something as big as kill the Joker only to take the story back to where he was still alive. Would it be that hard to have a new main villain? Joker was the big bad of the last two games we really don't need another focused on him. I know he's Batman's main bad guy but when he gets over played he loses a lot of his kick.

I like Hamil's Joker but I don't care if he's the voice. They shouldn't be doing a prequel anyway. I haven't played the DLC yet but they left a good bit of dangling plot threads in AC for a sequel. The biggest being all the Scarecrow stuff. There was also Hush. I think it's time the game evolves to a full open world game with Gotham open to the player. They danced around it in AC by having a bigger out door environment then the first but it's time to deliver.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Seems like a dumb move to do something as big as kill the Joker only to take the story back to where he was still alive. Would it be that hard to have a new main villain? Joker was the big bad of the last two games we really don't need another focused on him. I know he's Batman's main bad guy but when he gets over played he loses a lot of his kick.

I like Hamil's Joker but I don't care if he's the voice. They shouldn't be doing a prequel anyway. I haven't played the DLC yet but they left a good bit of dangling plot threads in AC for a sequel. The biggest being all the Scarecrow stuff. There was also Hush. I think it's time the game evolves to a full open world game with Gotham open to the player. They danced around it in AC by having a bigger out door environment then the first but it's time to deliver.

Here's the thing though. Rocksteady would not be able to pull that off. Even this bigger out door environment you're talking about was nothing more than an empty hubworld for the fetch quests that made up the game.

I know a completely open world Batman game is this giant fantasy for a lot of people but I don't believe Rocksteady is the company you're looking for here.

Originally Posted by Brodie

WHat about when Dini wrote Bane in the animated series and he wasn't like he was in that movie? Specifically the episode where Barbara dies. He wasn't a musclebound idiot. he was just a Merc working for Gordon, someone to track down Batman with his particular set of skills--Not the Venom injections, but actual skill.

I just realized that I don't give a f*ck about Bane in any Batman medium. I haven't liked ANY of his incarnations.

[Spitfire]

They got the bones they just need to do a little more work. Having thugs to fight constantly helps quite a bit to give you things to do during and after you beat the game. I think if it took place in Gotham having random crimes to stop would be the next logical step. Collectibles, riddles, side quests, and so on would add plenty to do for an open world game. I can't complain about fetch quests because every open world game has those. It's kind of a staple. Batman broke it up by having you travel to buildings and do things in there or playing with the forensic mechanics. That would be another thing, have Batman try to solve murders and be more of a detective. Any extra stuff that doesn't just involved punching things is welcome.

[Brodie]

Originally Posted by Stryker

I just realized that I don't give a f*ck about Bane in any Batman medium. I haven't liked ANY of his incarnations.

Clayface or bust.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Brodie

WHat about when Dini wrote Bane in the animated series and he wasn't like he was in that movie? Specifically the episode where Barbara dies. He wasn't a musclebound idiot. he was just a Merc working for Gordon, someone to track down Batman with his particular set of skills--Not the Venom injections, but actual skill.

Which is why it's even more puzzling why Dini chose to write Bane as his Batman & Robin incarnation in the Arkham games. You take away Bane's brain and machinations then you kill the whole point to the character.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Which is why it's even more puzzling why Dini chose to write Bane as his Batman & Robin incarnation in the Arkham games. You take away Bane's brain and machinations then you kill the whole point to the character.

wasn't Bane high on Titan in Arkham and not venom, making him dumber?