Should Tang Shen Be Reincarnated, Too?

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Allio

*inb4 aloplex is tangshen*

Um...It's in first post.

[Cowabunga Carl]

Hey we've become 4chan! This is awesome!

[Lampy]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

I'm not inherently against Tang Shen coming back. As some have noted, she is a virtually an unused character, mostly a means to push the plot along in the turtles' origin. I loved seeing a bit more of her in the Splinter micro.

I do think that reincarnating her as an established character such as Alopex or April would be terribly lazy, though. A twist for twist's sake. You can point out as many parallels as you want to have it "make sense," but it doesn't keep it from being an unnecessary contrivance. Let the characters stand on their own. If Alopex or April aren't interesting enough on their own without doubling as another person for a shock, then those characters are in trouble. And if they are interesting, then it's definitely too much if they are two people. I supposed there's always a way to make it work, but I'm just not fond of the idea at the moment.

Plus, yeah. I don't even want the question of whether April and Splinter should "get back together" to come up.

i agree with this. let the characters be their own characters. if they don't become interesting... kill them off and let them stay dead. like i said... all your points make sense and they could work (like... if they absolutely MUST make tang shen into either alopex or april... then i'd prefer they go with what you're suggesting) but i'd prefer they tang shen and all these other female characters hold their own ground.

[Candy Kappa]

If Thang Shen is alive in any form, it would be like reviving Uncle Ben or Thomas and Martha Wayne

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

If Thang Shen is alive in any form, it would be like reviving Uncle Ben or Thomas and Martha Wayne

See...HE GETS IT!

[Lampy]

Originally Posted by Jester

See...HE GETS IT!

you're funny bro. a reference to that other thread?

[Plasticplayhouse]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

If Thang Shen is alive in any form, it would be like reviving Uncle Ben

in a sense it's like uncle ben never left anyway; his rice is something of legend.


on a serious note...tang need to remain in the past. april/tang is the worst possible scenario. casey would eventually be the turtles step daddy if that was the case.

[FoxZerro]

Originally Posted by Lampy

you're funny bro. a reference to that other thread?

I certainly hope so. I mean I specifically made mention of both Bruce Wayne's parents and Uncle Ben faking their deaths to teach a lesson.

However if its not a reference then, it just goes to strengthening my point that bringing back Tang Shen perverts the origin of the turtles because someone else came to the same conclusion as me under separte circumstances.

[Raph's Girl]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

If Thang Shen is alive in any form, it would be like reviving Uncle Ben or Thomas and Martha Wayne

Tang Shen being reincarnated would be nice but I don't think it wouldn't last. Heck last time Uncle Ben popped up it was one from an alternate Earth. Kinda the same with Thomas Wayne (he was Batman briefly before the whole DCNu thing happened)

April being Tang Shen would be creepy considering in most incarnations of TMNT Splinter and April have a father/daughter relationship...

Alopex being Tang Shen is POSSIBLY hinted at on the cover Secret History of the Foot.

[Toby Barrett]

IF the woman on the cover even IS Tang Shen.

[DarkLightDragon]

Originally Posted by Toby Barrett

IF the woman on the cover even IS Tang Shen.

I thought I was the only one who believed this.

[Matches Malone]

There's a good chance that Alopex being hinted at on that cover isn't a coincidence, but there's an equally good chance that it may mean something other than her being reincarnated!

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Tang Shen being reincarnated would be nice but I don't think it wouldn't last. Heck last time Uncle Ben popped up it was one from an alternate Earth. Kinda the same with Thomas Wayne (he was Batman briefly before the whole DCNu thing happened)

both examples the said characters are from an different world/reality. And in Flashpoint Bruce was the one who died and Thomas became the Batman.

It'd be like an alternative world where Tang Shen was Splinter


Or Silver Surfer Prime breaks the wall of reality...

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

It'd be like an alternative world where Tang Shen was Splinter

I'd so read that, actually.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Jester

I'd so read that, actually.

I really hope for TMNT elseworld comics, there so many variations that can be told.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

If Thang Shen is alive in any form, it would be like reviving Uncle Ben or Thomas and Martha Wayne

Or Hamato Yoshi.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Xav

Or Hamato Yoshi.

To a point, but when Hamato Yoshi and Splinter is the same. It is a different story.

[The Big Bad]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

If Thang Shen is alive in any form, it would be like reviving Uncle Ben or Thomas and Martha Wayne

This is the second time the claim has been made. History has proven that this is not the case, as various incarnations of the story have explicitly omitted her without affecting the story. Try to do that with Batman or Spider-Man (where even incarnations that don't explicitly mention their deaths operate under the assumption that they happened), and you end up with drastically different characters; the same is not true here.


What's more, there is a very good reason why reviving Uncle Ben or the Waynes doesn't work, and its because they inhabit the story in which regular people cannot come back from the dead, in theory, at least. However, in this version of the TMNT story, reincarnation and resurrection (see "Shredder, The") are apparently coded into the story's rules.

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As for my particular preference, yes, I would prefer Shen be reincarnated, although not as April, Alopex, or anybody we actually know--the book's web of interconnected backstories is incestous enough as it is. My particular wish would be for her reincarnated self to be someone utterly unconnected to any other character, but for those characters' insistence that zie is the reincarnation of Yoshi's dead wife. Thus, zie could be used for an exploration of the question of how much the turtles' lives should adhere to the dynamics established in their other selves pasts, and how reliving those isn't a given--there's no reason why Splinter would expect Tang Shen reborn to fall in love with or marry him again, why he should pursue that as an avenue, or even for her to treat hir past family with any affection.

Even if that happens, I do with the series would treat her like a person instead of a prop. Splinter spent an entire year searching for Raphael, despite the increasing unlikelyhood of his continued life. I would like to see signs that he spent a comparable amount of time thinking about why they are reborn and why his dead wife apparently isn't. Is it because he didn't specifically wish for it? Is it because Fate or Karma or whatever thinks that only men get to be reincarnated, and that revenge is the only worthwhile motive for reincarnation?

[Toby Barrett]

It's because life at best is bittersweet?

[Lampy]

Originally Posted by FoxZerro

I certainly hope so. I mean I specifically made mention of both Bruce Wayne's parents and Uncle Ben faking their deaths to teach a lesson.

However if its not a reference then, it just goes to strengthening my point that bringing back Tang Shen perverts the origin of the turtles because someone else came to the same conclusion as me under separte circumstances.

i don't think you understand what i meant. i was talking about the "SEE ___, HE GETS IT!" line that was used in the "line in the sand" thread. i used it to say jester gets what i was talking about... then old hob countered with someone else "SEE... he gets it?!".

nothing really about what you're referring to. sorry... just thought it was funny.