Still think this movie is going to flop? - Page 2

Bmaga123 · 03-28-2014, 12:38 PM

No way this movie flops I would put money on it

Mr Derp · 03-28-2014, 12:49 PM

Look here: http://www.google.com/trends/

"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" is one of the most popular search terms on Google right now. I highly doubt that this movie is going to flop, guys.

*Vicky82* · 03-28-2014, 01:09 PM

It won't flop, TMNT has a huge fanbase.

*Coola Yagami* · 03-28-2014, 01:31 PM

It's mostly trending because no one heard about it and 'this trailer came out of nowhere' so it's getting a lot of exposure due to the surprise factor.

Everyone I know either hated it, apologized to me cause they know I'm a tmnt fan, or can't look past bay, fox and those ugly ass turtles. It took me a while to convince them 'at least Leo looks bad as' but you know that's all gonna go to crap the moment he stops posing and opens his mouth.

This movie will barely break even. You're either in denial or just give the turtles too much credit. Lamest movie of the summer.

Bob · 03-28-2014, 01:39 PM

It’s not necessarily the fanbase that will push it to success; it’s the casuals and general audience. The TMNT brand is big the world over. Many people recognise it and know of it. This is a live-action film, too, which is a huge benefit that the CGI movie didn’t have in its favour. Sorry to say, but if no fans went to watch this film at all it would probably still end up being financially successful. I can see it underwhelming at the box-office if it’s really badly received (it will get utterly ravaged by critics, regardless), but I genuinely cannot see any scenario where this will completely flop. It will probably spawn at least one sequel.

Don’t underestimate an early August spot. Mid and late August, yes, but this is still early in the month. Summer will still be in full swing. Rise of the Planet of the Apes had the same spot (give or take a day or two), and it worked out very well for that.

I can’t see it making less than 100 million in North America. Doesn’t matter, though, and Paramount know it, because it will make the vast majority of its dough overseas.

*ZariusTwo* · 03-28-2014, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

This movie will barely break even.

Whatever you say Nostradamus...

Cracks me up with all the autistic idiocy and doom-casting on here...

thesaintofkiller · 03-28-2014, 01:54 PM

I think it's more telling if you look at Michael Bay's produced horror movies remakes. Just look at what he did. He produced a remake for Texas Chainsaw massacre, made some money. First thing he did? Go for another remake (he did produce a prequel to Texas, but soon lost interest and left the franchise to be milked in other people's hands). He remade Friday the 13th. Lots of buzz behind it, since it was a remake. Barely any effort went into it. It made some money for them. A quick buck. But seeing as they had barely put any effort into it, nobody shouted for a sequel. Nobody cared. So they let the franchise die. What did they do next? Jump on a Nightmare on Elm Street remake. They knew there would be a lot more buzz behind that than a sequel to their awful remakes. Of course, the movie also turned out to be crap, made a quick buck, but not enough to get a sequel green lit. But they made money out of it. Fans went to see it. So did teenagers. That's all that mattered.

And now what's Michael Bay producing? Another quick buck. Another 80's revival (just like his horror remakes). And like it has been stated above, it's being released in a dead month. Sure, they'll make some money. But they'll soon follow the turtles with another 80's remake (He-man? Who knows). The buzz alone of a new remake is better for them than making an actual good movie and banking on a new franchise.

Transformers was different. It was actually produced by Spielberg, not Bay. And while Spielberg has produced some crap in his life, he's always know when he had a franchise on his hands.

Here, not so much.
Just look at Bay's track record as a producer. It's really not that hard to know where this is going. He's just exploiting people's nostalgia to make some quick money. Really. That's all there is to it. And he'll do it again and again. And just like fans of Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or in this case Turtles, fans of future franchises he'll remake will fall for it. Again and again.

*Coola Yagami* · 03-28-2014, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob

It’s not necessarily the fanbase that will push it to success; it’s the casuals and general audience. The TMNT brand is big the world over. Many people recognise it and know of it. This is a live-action film, too, which is a huge benefit that the CGI movie didn’t have in its favour. Sorry to say, but if no fans went to watch this film at all it would probably still end up being financially successful. I can see it underwhelming at the box-office if it’s really badly received (it will get utterly ravaged by critics, regardless), but I genuinely cannot see any scenario where this will completely flop. It will probably spawn at least one sequel.

Don’t underestimate an early August spot. Mid and late August, yes, but this is still early in the month. Summer will still be in full swing. Rise of the Planet of the Apes had the same spot (give or take a day or two), and it worked out very well for that.

I can’t see it making less than 100 million in North America. Doesn’t matter, though, and Paramount know it, because it will make the vast majority of its dough overseas.

I dare say dragonball is a bigger known brand world over and we all know how their live action movie turned out.

*TrickOrTreater* · 03-28-2014, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky82

It won't flop, TMNT has a huge fanbase.

2007 just barely made its money back.

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Originally Posted by thesaintofkiller

I think it's more telling if you look at Michael Bay's produced horror movies remakes. Just look at what he did. He produced a remake for Texas Chainsaw massacre, made some money. First thing he did? Go for another remake (he did produce a prequel to Texas, but soon lost interest and left the franchise to be milked in other people's hands). He remade Friday the 13th. Lots of buzz behind it, since it was a remake. Barely any effort went into it. It made some money for them. A quick buck. But seeing as they had barely put any effort into it, nobody shouted for a sequel. Nobody cared. So they let the franchise die. What did they do next? Jump on a Nightmare on Elm Street remake. They knew there would be a lot more buzz behind that than a sequel to their awful remakes. Of course, the movie also turned out to be crap, made a quick buck, but not enough to get a sequel green lit. But they made money out of it. Fans went to see it. So did teenagers. That's all that mattered.

And now what's Michael Bay producing? Another quick buck. Another 80's revival (just like his horror remakes). And like it has been stated above, it's being released in a dead month. Sure, they'll make some money. But they'll soon follow the turtles with another 80's remake (He-man? Who knows). The buzz alone of a new remake is better for them than making an actual good movie and banking on a new franchise.

Transformers was different. It was actually produced by Spielberg, not Bay. And while Spielberg has produced some crap in his life, he's always know when he had a franchise on his hands.

Here, not so much.
Just look at Bay's track record as a producer. It's really not that hard to know where this is going. He's just exploiting people's nostalgia to make some quick money. Really. That's all there is to it. And he'll do it again and again. And just like fans of Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or in this case Turtles, fans of future franchises he'll remake will fall for it.

Exactly this.

And as far as the next 80s property he'll want to get his mitts on...I think Thundercats.

*Coola Yagami* · 03-28-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Whatever you say Nostradamus...

Cracks me up with all the autistic idiocy and doom-casting on here...

Yeah. Cause the people that predicted Dragonball and Avatar would suck were also Nostradamus right. Wake up and take off the nostalgia glasses when watching that trailer.

*TrickOrTreater* · 03-28-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Whatever you say Nostradamus...

Cracks me up with all the autistic idiocy and doom-casting on here...

The epitome of class.

*MrTMNT2012* · 03-28-2014, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Yeah. Cause the people that predicted Dragonball and Avatar would suck were also Nostradamus right. Wake up and take off the nostalgia glasses when watching that trailer.

But people actually thought Avatar would be good before it came out...

~~electric_sheep~~ · 03-28-2014, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

2007 just barely made its money back.

Exactly this.

And as far as the next 80s property he'll want to get his mitts on...I think Thundercats.

Don't forger Liebesman, didn't he also work on some those remakes of horror movies?

*TrickOrTreater* · 03-28-2014, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

But people actually thought Avatar would be good before it came out...

I recall a lot of people, myself included, saying the TRAILER looked good.

Didn't really translate to the movie itself.

*TrickOrTreater* · 03-28-2014, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by electric_sheep

Don't forger Liebesman, didn't he also work on some those remakes of horror movies?

Yep, he directed TCM: The Beginning.

That Liebesman/Bay duo doesn't seem to work out too often does it...

thesaintofkiller · 03-28-2014, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

But people actually thought Avatar would be good before it came out...

Well, James Cameron actually had a pretty good track record. I mean, Aliens, Terminator 1 and 2? You can actually excused people for having expected greatness out of it! Even Titanic was pretty good for what it was supposed to be. Avatar... not so much.

thesaintofkiller · 03-28-2014, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Yep, he directed TCM: The Beginning.

That Liebesman/Bay duo doesn't seem to work out too often does it...

Oh God, that prequel was awful. No matter how bad the remake was, it was a masterpiece compared to that...

*MrTMNT2012* · 03-28-2014, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thesaintofkiller

Well, James Cameron actually had a pretty good track record. I mean, Aliens, Terminator 1 and 2? You can actually excused people for having expected greatness out of it! Even Titanic was pretty good for what it was supposed to be. Avatar... not so much.

No, We were saying Avatar as in The Last Airbender.

*TrickOrTreater* · 03-28-2014, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by thesaintofkiller

Well, James Cameron actually had a pretty good track record. I mean, Aliens, Terminator 1 and 2? You can actually excused people for having expected greatness out of it! Even Titanic was pretty good for what it was supposed to be. Avatar... not so much.

No I think he means The Last Airbender.

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Originally Posted by thesaintofkiller

Oh God, that prequel was awful. No matter how bad the remake was, it was a masterpiece compared to that...

I never even bothered with all the Chainsaw remakes. The first 2 are MORE than enough for me.

~~electric_sheep~~ · 03-28-2014, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Yep, he directed TCM: The Beginning.

That Liebesman/Bay duo doesn't seem to work out too often does it...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0509448/ just loot at that juicy filmography.

03-28-2014, 01:31 PM	#24
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,685	It's mostly trending because no one heard about it and 'this trailer came out of nowhere' so it's getting a lot of exposure due to the surprise factor. Everyone I know either hated it, apologized to me cause they know I'm a tmnt fan, or can't look past bay, fox and those ugly ass turtles. It took me a while to convince them 'at least Leo looks bad as' but you know that's all gonna go to crap the moment he stops posing and opens his mouth. This movie will barely break even. You're either in denial or just give the turtles too much credit. Lamest movie of the summer. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

03-28-2014, 01:54 PM	#27
thesaintofkiller Random Punk Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 23	I think it's more telling if you look at Michael Bay's produced horror movies remakes. Just look at what he did. He produced a remake for Texas Chainsaw massacre, made some money. First thing he did? Go for another remake (he did produce a prequel to Texas, but soon lost interest and left the franchise to be milked in other people's hands). He remade Friday the 13th. Lots of buzz behind it, since it was a remake. Barely any effort went into it. It made some money for them. A quick buck. But seeing as they had barely put any effort into it, nobody shouted for a sequel. Nobody cared. So they let the franchise die. What did they do next? Jump on a Nightmare on Elm Street remake. They knew there would be a lot more buzz behind that than a sequel to their awful remakes. Of course, the movie also turned out to be crap, made a quick buck, but not enough to get a sequel green lit. But they made money out of it. Fans went to see it. So did teenagers. That's all that mattered. And now what's Michael Bay producing? Another quick buck. Another 80's revival (just like his horror remakes). And like it has been stated above, it's being released in a dead month. Sure, they'll make some money. But they'll soon follow the turtles with another 80's remake (He-man? Who knows). The buzz alone of a new remake is better for them than making an actual good movie and banking on a new franchise. Transformers was different. It was actually produced by Spielberg, not Bay. And while Spielberg has produced some crap in his life, he's always know when he had a franchise on his hands. Here, not so much. Just look at Bay's track record as a producer. It's really not that hard to know where this is going. He's just exploiting people's nostalgia to make some quick money. Really. That's all there is to it. And he'll do it again and again. And just like fans of Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street or in this case Turtles, fans of future franchises he'll remake will fall for it. Again and again. __________________ One of my short movies, Madame Bolduc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8o1dWh0kak

03-28-2014, 12:38 PM	#21
Bmaga123 Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2006 Location: WA Posts: 861	No way this movie flops I would put money on it

03-28-2014, 12:49 PM	#22
Mr Derp Random Punk Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 22	Look here: http://www.google.com/trends/ "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" is one of the most popular search terms on Google right now. I highly doubt that this movie is going to flop, guys.

03-28-2014, 01:09 PM	#23
Vicky82 Emperor Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dunstable, UK Posts: 5,804	It won't flop, TMNT has a huge fanbase.

03-28-2014, 01:39 PM	#25
Bob Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: UK, England Posts: 546	It’s not necessarily the fanbase that will push it to success; it’s the casuals and general audience. The TMNT brand is big the world over. Many people recognise it and know of it. This is a live-action film, too, which is a huge benefit that the CGI movie didn’t have in its favour. Sorry to say, but if no fans went to watch this film at all it would probably still end up being financially successful. I can see it underwhelming at the box-office if it’s really badly received (it will get utterly ravaged by critics, regardless), but I genuinely cannot see any scenario where this will completely flop. It will probably spawn at least one sequel. Don’t underestimate an early August spot. Mid and late August, yes, but this is still early in the month. Summer will still be in full swing. Rise of the Planet of the Apes had the same spot (give or take a day or two), and it worked out very well for that. I can’t see it making less than 100 million in North America. Doesn’t matter, though, and Paramount know it, because it will make the vast majority of its dough overseas.