Lucy Moved To July 25th, No Longer Releasing Against TMNT

[SwiftNinjaFox]

ARE YOU CHALLENGING MORGAN FREEMAN?! THIS IS LUNACY!

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Gimme_Three

You guys want to know who the big pull characters for the TMNT film is? Leo, raph, donny and mikey.

sadly thats just not the case anymore when it comes to hollywood


thats why Optimus Prime and Kermit the Frog play second fiddle in their own movies

its all about whose face is attached that can fill the seats

thats why the turtle look like they do, because they were more concerned with showing off the actors face than making something aesthetically pleasing

and for those that say their was no other way to do it, Smaug,Rocket Raccoon and Groot all are CGI with huge name actors attached who dont resemble them in the slightest


those actors are letting thier voices do the acting for them, because they know the characters they play shouldnt be confused with themselves

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

sadly thats just not the case anymore when it comes to hollywood


thats why Optimus Prime and Kermit the Frog play second fiddle in their own movies

its all about whose face is attached that can fill the seats

thats why the turtle look like they do, because they were more concerned with showing off the actors face than making something aesthetically pleasing

and for those that say their was no other way to do it, Smaug,Rocket Raccoon and Groot all are CGI with huge name actors attached who dont resemble them in the slightest


those actors are letting thier voices do the acting for them, because they know the characters they play shouldnt be confused with themselves

HEy off topic but i wanted to let you know i was at Toys r Us and i they had a make your own muppet kit I thought of you when i saw it Kind cool.

Sorry back to topic

[Gimme_Three]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

sadly thats just not the case anymore when it comes to hollywood


thats why Optimus Prime and Kermit the Frog play second fiddle in their own movies

its all about whose face is attached that can fill the seats

thats why the turtle look like they do, because they were more concerned with showing off the actors face than making something aesthetically pleasing

and for those that say their was no other way to do it, Smaug,Rocket Raccoon and Groot all are CGI with huge name actors attached who dont resemble them in the slightest


those actors are letting thier voices do the acting for them, because they know the characters they play shouldnt be confused with themselves

that is true, my point still stands GOTG needs big name actors because that franchise isnt as big as TMNT so that's the strategy to sell tickets. TMNT will sell tickets for what it is, if it's a good story it will be the next billion dollar movie franchise.

This movie is trying to set a new bar with the tech they have, avatar was live cgi actors in a cgi world. Turtles will be live cgi actors in a live world. lol saying the turtles are designed so that they can resemble the actors is a reach. They want the emotion to be displayed which is why they went the
route they did with the design.

Hollywood is not charity folks. Hollywood does what it does to make money. Optimus playing "second fiddle" = billion dollar franchise = winning formula why mess with it?

Turtles: world popular franchise/ advance tech to sell seats

GOTG: huge name actors to sell seats

Both have their have strategy which one will be successful, we dont know yet, how do we determine whats successful? BY which brings in the most MONEY.

Peter and laird didnt create the turtles to just put smiles on our faces, they did it to get the money out of our pockets put into their bank accounts. everything is driven by money not just hollywood.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by Gimme_Three

that is true, my point still stands GOTG needs big name actors because that franchise isnt as big as TMNT so that's the strategy to sell tickets. TMNT will sell tickets for what it is, if it's a good story it will be the next billion dollar movie franchise.

Not in its wildest dreams will this movie ever hit a billion dollars. That's crazy talk!
Very few films of any studio/franchise hit that mark!

This movie is trying to set a new bar with the tech they have, avatar was live cgi actors in a cgi world. Turtles will be live cgi actors in a live world. lol saying the turtles are designed so that they can resemble the actors is a reach. They want the emotion to be displayed which is why they went the route they did with the design.

They look good and like they belong in the setting, but so does Planet of the Apes and Gollum. I doubt this will set the bar higher for future movies. I'm not expecting 5 years from now for someone to say "Man, TMNT was the inspiration for all of this now."

You're suggesting Groot and Rocket aren't on par with the technical achievement of TMNT? Any animator will tell you fur is a PAIN. IN. THE. SHELL.

Peter and laird didnt create the turtles to just put smiles on our faces, they did it to get the money out of our pockets put into their bank accounts. everything is driven by money not just hollywood.

No....no, they actually didn't. That wasn't why they were created at all.


But all that said, I think your post and my response more properly belong in the "Have Guardians already won August" thread more than Lucy's.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

You're suggesting Groot and Rocket aren't on par with the technical achievement of TMNT? Any animator will tell you fur is a PAIN. IN. THE. SHELL.)

Doing fur is pure torture. I've only dabbled, cause that stuff is pain.

I'm sure Rocket Raccoon's render time is more then Groot and the four turtles combined. And if Rocket ever gets wet, like how Merida did in Brave... Those poor souls working on that.

But seriously, hair and fur is pain.

[Glados]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

its all about whose face is attached that can fill the seats

thats why the turtle look like they do, because they were more concerned with showing off the actors face than making something aesthetically pleasing

In all due respect, I can't quite get my self to agreeing with that being the reason for the turtles looks, the actors playing them aren't famous movie stars, I honestly hadn't heard of any of them before. Particularly Leo and Don's actors were completely unknown to most people. What ever the reasons for the turtles designs are, I just can't see that as one of them...

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Glados

In all due respect, I can't quite get my self to agreeing with that being the reason for the turtles looks, the actors playing them aren't famous movie stars,

is it a stretch for me to say? yes i will admit that


but at the same time it makes me wonder how far off i am at making that assumption

i know Dons actor from a few tv shows for me its raph and leo i have no idea who they are ( and honestly not to be rude but i don't care)

Rocket and Groot look nothing like Vin and Bradly...and they have huge star power
so why not have the characters have their faces on them?

also it negates the whole "they need human faces to emote" argument is those 2 along with characters like smaug emote without human features

but that is a talk for a gotg thread this one is about lucy

[Glados]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

is it a stretch for me to say? yes i will admit that


but at the same time it makes me wonder how far off i am at making that assumption

i know Dons actor from a few tv shows for me its raph and leo i have no idea who they are ( and honestly not to be rude but i don't care)

Rocket and Groot look nothing like Vin and Bradly...and they have huge star power
so why not have the characters have their faces on them?

also it negates the whole "they need human faces to emote" argument is those 2 along with characters like smaug emote without human features

but that is a talk for a gotg thread this one is about lucy

I agree that the turtles don't "need human faces to emote", but I still see the potential for more subtle and nuanced emotions in faces with more human characteristics. Did they over-do it? Probably a little bit, yeah. But I can see what they were trying to go for in the face-department. It's a shame to think of how little tweaking these faces would probably need to get approved by most fans...

[Bry]

It's certainly possible that moving Lucy to July had something to do with GotG and TMNT releasing around the same time, but it might be more likely that it's a vote of confidence for Lucy. All it takes is a quick look at the all-time box office records for July releases and August releases to see that box office returns generally drop off quite a bit in August. It could simply be that Universal is hoping there's more money in an earlier release.

I agree that the "more than 10% of the brain" concept is pretty silly, but it looks like a legitimately well-made and visually stunning movie, and it's from the director of Léon: The Professional and The Fifth Element, so there are a lot of reasons for the studio to have faith in this one, and it should have a lot of goodwill from the hardcore movie fans.

GotG is (IMO) sure to be great, but it's a very unproven franchise and concept, so they may be aiming for a "sleeper hit" on that one, with good (for August) numbers, with legs due to good word of mouth and great Blu-ray/DVD sales.

[Gimme_Three]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

Not in its wildest dreams will this movie ever hit a billion dollars. That's crazy talk!
Very few films of any studio/franchise hit that mark!



They look good and like they belong in the setting, but so does Planet of the Apes and Gollum. I doubt this will set the bar higher for future movies. I'm not expecting 5 years from now for someone to say "Man, TMNT was the inspiration for all of this now."

You're suggesting Groot and Rocket aren't on par with the technical achievement of TMNT? Any animator will tell you fur is a PAIN. IN. THE. SHELL.





No....no, they actually didn't. That wasn't why they were created at all.


But all that said, I think your post and my response more properly belong in the "Have Guardians already won August" thread more than Lucy's.

Haha I think you're reading my post out of context. I wasn't comparing movies based on which looked better or what not I was saying what I believe their strategies to be in contrast to what Boston ninja turtles posted. I was explaining what the reason were behind the designs, weather it sets the bar on not remains to be seen but that doesn't mean it wasn't something they were aiming for.

Crazy talk? If this movie spawns a trilogy it will be a billion dollar movie franchise. I didn't mean the movie in august would hit a billion dollars.

not sure if you was agreeing with me about P&Ls purpose behind creating TMNT.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Doing fur is pure torture. I've only dabbled, cause that stuff is pain.

I'm sure Rocket Raccoon's render time is more then Groot and the four turtles combined. And if Rocket ever gets wet, like how Merida did in Brave... Those poor souls working on that.

But seriously, hair and fur is pain.

Don't forget about Splinter.

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

i know Dons actor from a few tv shows for me its raph and leo i have no idea who they are ( and honestly not to be rude but i don't care)

Rocket and Groot look nothing like Vin and Bradly...and they have huge star power
so why not have the characters have their faces on them?

I'm sure you know this, but I just want to say it. It's not all about SEEING their face on the screen. It's all about promotion, posters, and overall marketing. When their names come up and people hear they are in the movie, even if they can't see them, people/fans of that certain person are more apt to go see it.

TMNT could have easily done the same thing (and I'm glad and was actually surprised when they didn't). They could have thrown big names around to get people in the seats, especially by casting the turtles as celebrities. I don't want to see Brad Pitt as Leo, Tom Cruise as Don, Zac Efron as Raph, and Justin Bieber as Mikey (over exaggerated, I know). But, really, that would really turn me off! All I'm saying is Gaurdians of the Galaxy could have easily found 'nobody' actors to portray their characters if they had wanted to. However, I'm not faulting them, and I'm not saying what they are doing is 'criminal'. And it's not nearly as bad as Justin Bieber as Mikey.

[Leolead]

What do you have against justin bieber?

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by Gimme_Three

Haha I think you're reading my post out of context. I wasn't comparing movies based on which looked better or what not I was saying what I believe their strategies to be in contrast to what Boston ninja turtles posted. I was explaining what the reason were behind the designs, weather it sets the bar on not remains to be seen but that doesn't mean it wasn't something they were aiming for.

Well, you'd said they were trying to set a new bar with the tech they have. That's what I meant in my response; I don't think it's ground breaking. Good, sure, but not setting a new bar.

Crazy talk? If this movie spawns a trilogy it will be a billion dollar movie franchise. I didn't mean the movie in august would hit a billion dollars.

Ahhhh, as a franchise, yeah, it could reach a billion dollar mark.

not sure if you was agreeing with me about P&Ls purpose behind creating TMNT.

I was disagreeing, actually. Peter and Laird didn't create the turtles with the intention of making lots of money. Contrary to cynical opinion, few artists and creative people are in it to get rich.

Originally Posted by Leolead

What do you have against justin bieber?

Not directed at me, but just had to respond.... "Nothin' personally, I'm just not a belieber." :3

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Sewer Sirens Podcast

Justin Bieber as Mikey.

quick delete this before someone in hollywood sees it o_0



jokes aside.... i agree with you, in reality i don't want my turtles to look like anyone but turtles..i still don't buy the "they need to look human to emote more"

it sounds like more a cop out because "everyone" dislikes the designs

especially when we have a CGI cartoon and the turtles seem to emote just fine there


i am not sure if i had been against big names voicing them if that was the original plan, i mean the 2k12 show show has some big name voice actors by todays standards so why not the movie, Biggs,Austin,Feldman, Kevin Michael Richardson, even Cipes

its not so farfetched that i could see Pitt as Raph..he has the right voice for him

if they went the stunt man/voice over dubbed route like the 90s i could imagine many big names id have no issue voicing the turtles

and i agree with what you about groot and rocket to an extent...they are using name power over looks


my point was that marvel studios could have gone the PD turtles route and gave them physical features to resemble their respective actors...but they are trusting the original designs of the characters...groot looks like he came straight out off the page

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Glados

In all due respect, I can't quite get my self to agreeing with that being the reason for the turtles looks, the actors playing them aren't famous movie stars, I honestly hadn't heard of any of them before. Particularly Leo and Don's actors were completely unknown to most people. What ever the reasons for the turtles designs are, I just can't see that as one of them...

I donno, Alan was in the recent Hunger Games movie, and Noel was in the Twilight "saga", and. Raph and Mikey looks the most as the actors playing them.

[fridaynightdestination]

I'm just curious as to what all of you guys's opinion, as TMNT fans, is on Into The Storm, opening on August 8th as well. I've been meaning to watch the trailer but haven't gotten around to it, maybe later.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2106361/?ref_=nv_sr_2

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Sewer Sirens Podcast

Don't forget about Splinter.



I'm sure you know this, but I just want to say it. It's not all about SEEING their face on the screen. It's all about promotion, posters, and overall marketing. When their names come up and people hear they are in the movie, even if they can't see them, people/fans of that certain person are more apt to go see it.

TMNT could have easily done the same thing (and I'm glad and was actually surprised when they didn't). They could have thrown big names around to get people in the seats, especially by casting the turtles as celebrities. I don't want to see Brad Pitt as Leo, Tom Cruise as Don, Zac Efron as Raph, and Justin Bieber as Mikey (over exaggerated, I know). But, really, that would really turn me off! All I'm saying is Gaurdians of the Galaxy could have easily found 'nobody' actors to portray their characters if they had wanted to. However, I'm not faulting them, and I'm not saying what they are doing is 'criminal'. And it's not nearly as bad as Justin Bieber as Mikey.

I second this ^ Perfectly put. I don't care what anyone says.. The Turtles ARE the star power in this film. The actors were chosen bc of their physical characteristic and their voices " even though 2 of them hadn't worked out". Some people are going to hate the fact that every time they look at April they're going to see Fox.. Well why would you want that for the turtles? So I'm glad that they picked "unknowns" for this film. I think they know what they are doing.

BTW Fridaynight: I loved Twister back in the 90s.. Into the storm looks like a good movie.. I thought the trailer looked pretty cool. I don't think that there are any "big name" actors in the movie but that doesn't mean much to me anyway. So I am def. gonna catch it in theatres

[Stugehen]

Originally Posted by fridaynightdestination

I'm just curious as to what all of you guys's opinion, as TMNT fans, is on Into The Storm, opening on August 8th as well.

You see basically nothing in the trailer for the first 45 seconds. I wouldn't pay to see it in the theater. Maybe worth a Redbox rental. Maybe.

[Leolead]

One thing that does dissapoint me is that every still released seems to focus on april and vernon