Fred Wolf Cartoon: Seasons 1-7 vs Seasons 8-10 (Red Sky) - Page 2

~~ABrown~~ · 07-11-2014, 02:54 PM

Season 4 had a LOT of stinkers, especially if you include the European episodes, even if you don't include the Euro episodes.

*CyberCubed* · 07-11-2014, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ABrown

Season 4 had a LOT of stinkers, especially if you include the European episodes, even if you don't include the Euro episodes.

Even with those there are still a lot of great episodes in Season 4.

~~Leo656~~ · 07-11-2014, 03:34 PM

I liked what they were going for with the Red Sky seasons, but for one thing, I felt going to a slightly darker tone was "too little, too late". The show had gone so deep into "goofy kids stuff" by then, it almost seemed forced, going back the other way. That's not to say it wasn't enjoyable at times, but it would have played better if it was done sooner. The entire show in that style, still with a focus on the Turtles/April/Shredder from the earlier days, would have been great. As it was, while they still used April and the old villains from time to time, it didn't have the same impact, and the new villains and Carter were underwhelming.

I give 'em an A for effort and a B- for execution. It kept the show on the air a couple extra seasons past the point of the fad dying out, so it's always got that going for it.

*Cipher* · 07-11-2014, 04:21 PM

I agree with the earlier post singling out seasons one and seven as the highlight of the action-comedy blend. Those are the standouts for me, and the kind of tone I'd have liked the show to have maintained the whole way through.

The "Red Sky" episodes are more interesting in concept than in execution, but they're worth a watch. You can see the strings showing, in terms of a transparent attempt to rebrand the show, and it never quite lives up to its visuals, but it is what it is. I think I have more affinity for them as a longtime fan because a lot of what gives that universe its own particular narrative compared to other versions is the content of the final three seasons. I do like that it capped off in such a surprisingly dark place (April never does get out of the freelance job).

*CyberCubed* · 07-12-2014, 07:16 PM

I only wish Season 8 had been a full 13-26 episode season to fully flesh out Shredder/Krang at the Hall of Science and let us see other old villains like Leatherhead and Baxter one last time like they did with The Rat King.

I don't even get why they only ordered 8 episodes for each season. What the hell is an 8 episode order? It always confused me why the final seasons weren't 13 episodes each.

Pterobat · 07-12-2014, 10:12 PM

My favourite TMNT episodes are a mish-mash of things from all seven of the first seasons, and I really couldn't choose a season that I favour over the rest. That's also why I bought the Party Van set instead of restricting myself to one season or another.

The Red Sky seasons though...God, they were boring. The TMNT cartoon became like every other generic, forgettable action cartoon of the time, and not even the good ones. At the same time, a lot of the old flaws were still in the cartoon, making for a strange retooling that was both superficial and complete. Kind of like putting a big Band-Aid over the thing.

And Dregg was also boring, no offence to the wondrous Tony Jay.

The OT has a lot of faults, and it's difficult to do "wacky" stuff right--the OT often failed. But I liked the silliness when it was actually fun, so I wouldn't want everything to be like season one. And especially not like the snore-inducing Red Sky seasons.

07-12-2014, 10:12 PM	#26
Pterobat Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 380	My favourite TMNT episodes are a mish-mash of things from all seven of the first seasons, and I really couldn't choose a season that I favour over the rest. That's also why I bought the Party Van set instead of restricting myself to one season or another. The Red Sky seasons though...God, they were boring. The TMNT cartoon became like every other generic, forgettable action cartoon of the time, and not even the good ones. At the same time, a lot of the old flaws were still in the cartoon, making for a strange retooling that was both superficial and complete. Kind of like putting a big Band-Aid over the thing. And Dregg was also boring, no offence to the wondrous Tony Jay. The OT has a lot of faults, and it's difficult to do "wacky" stuff right--the OT often failed. But I liked the silliness when it was actually fun, so I wouldn't want everything to be like season one. And especially not like the snore-inducing Red Sky seasons. __________________ "No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream"--Shirley Jackson http://pterobat.tumblr.com

07-11-2014, 02:54 PM	#21
~~ABrown~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831	Season 4 had a LOT of stinkers, especially if you include the European episodes, even if you don't include the Euro episodes.

07-11-2014, 03:34 PM	#23
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I liked what they were going for with the Red Sky seasons, but for one thing, I felt going to a slightly darker tone was "too little, too late". The show had gone so deep into "goofy kids stuff" by then, it almost seemed forced, going back the other way. That's not to say it wasn't enjoyable at times, but it would have played better if it was done sooner. The entire show in that style, still with a focus on the Turtles/April/Shredder from the earlier days, would have been great. As it was, while they still used April and the old villains from time to time, it didn't have the same impact, and the new villains and Carter were underwhelming. I give 'em an A for effort and a B- for execution. It kept the show on the air a couple extra seasons past the point of the fad dying out, so it's always got that going for it.

07-11-2014, 04:21 PM	#24
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	I agree with the earlier post singling out seasons one and seven as the highlight of the action-comedy blend. Those are the standouts for me, and the kind of tone I'd have liked the show to have maintained the whole way through. The "Red Sky" episodes are more interesting in concept than in execution, but they're worth a watch. You can see the strings showing, in terms of a transparent attempt to rebrand the show, and it never quite lives up to its visuals, but it is what it is. I think I have more affinity for them as a longtime fan because a lot of what gives that universe its own particular narrative compared to other versions is the content of the final three seasons. I do like that it capped off in such a surprisingly dark place (April never does get out of the freelance job).

07-12-2014, 07:16 PM	#25
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	I only wish Season 8 had been a full 13-26 episode season to fully flesh out Shredder/Krang at the Hall of Science and let us see other old villains like Leatherhead and Baxter one last time like they did with The Rat King. I don't even get why they only ordered 8 episodes for each season. What the hell is an 8 episode order? It always confused me why the final seasons weren't 13 episodes each.