Worst Timothy Episode

[Shiro Kame]

The Pulverizor; he screwed up so badly that thanks to him, the Power Cell got lost to the Kraang, resulting in the Kraang Invasion being able to occur and the turtles losing LH.

[erik]

Timothy IS an idiot -- but, when he first showed up, I immediately wanted to know someone was showing up at Comic Con, dressed in that outfit. He's dumb, and annoying -- but at least he's mellowed since becoming the Mutagen Man. (or at least become more interesting)

BTW -- Anyone remember the old show, featuring the 5th Turtle? (featuring a stupid kid, ruining the Turtles plans by trying to join in) Was his name Timothy too?

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by erik

BTW -- Anyone remember the old show, featuring the 5th Turtle? (featuring a stupid kid, ruining the Turtles plans by trying to join in) Was his name Timothy too?

His name was Zack.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by erik

Timothy IS an idiot -- but, when he first showed up, I immediately wanted to know someone was showing up at Comic Con, dressed in that outfit. He's dumb, and annoying -- but at least he's mellowed since becoming the Mutagen Man. (or at least become more interesting)

BTW -- Anyone remember the old show, featuring the 5th Turtle? (featuring a stupid kid, ruining the Turtles plans by trying to join in) Was his name Timothy too?

I will always feel like I'm in the minority. I never found Zack annoying I guess because he wasn't around much and actually helped the turtles. I also like how he found the lair using skill as opposed to just stumbling upon it, which Splinter, iirc, praised him for and scolded Raph and Donny...I think it was. Being a fan as a kid, I liked Zack. It was nice that they had another human ally and if I recall he was the type willing to learn, unlike Timothy. The turtles never found him annoying like Timothy.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

I will always feel like I'm in the minority. I never found Zack annoying I guess because he wasn't around much and actually helped the turtles. I also like how he found the lair using skill as opposed to just stumbling upon it, which Splinter, iirc, praised him for and scolded Raph and Donny...I think it was. Being a fan as a kid, I liked Zack. It was nice that they had another human ally and if I recall he was the type willing to learn, unlike Timothy. The turtles never found him annoying like Timothy.

Timothy was into being a hero because he thought it was cool.

Donnie warns him being a hero isn't something you do over night. As he said it, "You can't stick a sword under your pillow and suddenly wake up a Samurai." If you feel called to be a hero you have to work towards it and dedicate yourself to the role with no thought as to what you might gain from it.

Next Timothy wants to be a Ninja

This is where we get hints that Donnie accepting that he is responsible for Timothy. Since he told Timmy he would no longer be his teacher, and Timmy had said he's continue training which lead him to the Bradford Dojo which we learn are secret Foot Training centers. He knows that if the Foot haven't suspected that Timmy knows the Turtles already, they would some how realize he's familiar with the Turtles which would put not only their lives but his in considerable danger.

Ironicly, even if Donnie had agreed to continued training him, Timmy may have caught on that Donnie was not going to teach him what he wanted to learn and turned to the Bradford Dojo anyway.

But in Timmy's case he's hears Donnie's warnings about the Foot Clan and interprets them as 'Donnie is afraid I'll be better then him because I'm with the Foot Clan.' When Donnie was telling him "Get out of the Foot right now."


Then when the foot is testing the mutagen, he volunteers because he believes he'd have cool super powers instantly. Even though Donnie is telling him "The mutagen is unpredictable." It's possible Donnie may have vague memories of the experience of mutation himself, or he's been around long enough to know being Mutated doesn't guarantee happiness. Again Timmy misinterpreted it as "Donnie is worried I'll be cooler and better then he is. That's why he's trying to stop me." And of course when the mutation happens and he sees himself for the first time, he is horrified by what he's become and blames the Turtles for his mutation.

In Mutagen Man Unleashed it hinted Timmy probably some hinted jealousy. In his eyes he sees Donnie getting the best of everything, he has a better mutation, better skills, a cute girl who he hangs out with. Then of course after Mutation Situation, Donnie was the one telling him that April is mad at them and it's their fault. Timmy of course listens to that and thinks "The Turtles didn't tell me I'd become this freak, and this April girl lost someone she cared about because of the Turtles. Then she'll have to love me because we both have something in common."

He dislikes the Turtles or at least Leo, Mikey, and Raph. Donnie was cool because he was at least caring enough to talk to him and take care of him. But even he felt Donnie should also suffer for betraying him.

[saber16]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

Then when the foot is testing the mutagen, he volunteers because he believes he'd have cool super powers instantly. Even though Donnie is telling him "The mutagen is unpredictable." It's possible Donnie may have vague memories of the experience of mutation himself, or he's been around long enough to know being Mutated doesn't guarantee happiness. Again Timmy misinterpreted it as "Donnie is worried I'll be cooler and better then he is. That's why he's trying to stop me." And of course when the mutation happens and he sees himself for the first time, he is horrified by what he's become and blames the Turtles for his mutation.

In Mutagen Man Unleashed it hinted Timmy probably some hinted jealousy. In his eyes he sees Donnie getting the best of everything, he has a better mutation, better skills, a cute girl who he hangs out with. Then of course after Mutation Situation, Donnie was the one telling him that April is mad at them and it's their fault. Timmy of course listens to that and thinks "The Turtles didn't tell me I'd become this freak, and this April girl lost someone she cared about because of the Turtles. Then she'll have to love me because we both have something in common."

That's does seem like the obvious route they were going to go, though the show hasn't given us solid evidence to confirm this.

When he was with the foot, Timothy never showed any form of anger, resentment or even annoyance when Donatello told him to leave the foot clan and when he stopped Timothy from being mutated.

When he becomes a mutant, he does attack the turtles, but I'm guessing it's from the effects of the mutagen messing with his mind and the shock of having the weapons hurled through him. If he was angry with the turtles over what happened to him, wouldn't he be more... out of control after being crammed in that jar?

Once he regains speech and a new body as Mutagen Man, he fights the Turtles because they got in the way of him and April. From what I can tell, he has yet to blame them for his mutation. While the majority might say it's because of how unintelligent he's become, he is aware of what happened to himself and it's quite possible he knows it's his fault... Something I really hope they go with in the show.


And to add to what will become of him once the final rolls around, I liked your idea of him getting thawed out during the lair invasion and running off, though my money is on the Kraang taking him..
They've been collecting mutants, they may feel entitled to taking back their property (the jar housing Timothy's body), and... ok, this is one hell of a stretch, but going by the back of packaging on the action figure, it says he's on team Kraang.
There's also concept art of Mutagen Man with a modified suit that allows mutagen canisters to placed on it, acting like batteries. Shredder despised Tim before, and something tells me he wouldn't even think of re-recruiting an acid dripping blob in a jar that has zero fighting knowledge who won't obey his orders unless mutagen or April is part of the deal- the first being mandatory to keep him going. Way to much effort.

The Kraang on the other hand... They have the mutagen, there's plenty of them to keep an eye on him and to keep him running, and both will terminate the Turtles to get to April O'Neil.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by saber16

That's does seem like the obvious route they were going to go, though the show hasn't given us solid evidence to confirm this.

When he was with the foot, Timothy never showed any form of anger, resentment or even annoyance when Donatello told him to leave the foot clan and when he stopped Timothy from being mutated.

When he becomes a mutant, he does attack the turtles, but I'm guessing it's from the effects of the mutagen messing with his mind and the shock of having the weapons hurled through him. If he was angry with the turtles over what happened to him, wouldn't he be more... out of control after being crammed in that jar?

Once he regains speech and a new body as Mutagen Man, he fights the Turtles because they got in the way of him and April. From what I can tell, he has yet to blame them for his mutation. While the majority might say it's because of how unintelligent he's become, he is aware of what happened to himself and it's quite possible he knows it's his fault... Something I really hope they go with in the show.


And to add to what will become of him once the final rolls around, I liked your idea of him getting thawed out during the lair invasion and running off, though my money is on the Kraang taking him..
They've been collecting mutants, they may feel entitled to taking back their property (the jar housing Timothy's body), and... ok, this is one hell of a stretch, but going by the back of packaging on the action figure, it says he's on team Kraang.
There's also concept art of Mutagen Man with a modified suit that allows mutagen canisters to placed on it, acting like batteries. Shredder despised Tim before, and something tells me he wouldn't even think of re-recruiting an acid dripping blob in a jar that has zero fighting knowledge who won't obey his orders unless mutagen or April is part of the deal- the first being mandatory to keep him going. Way to much effort.

The Kraang on the other hand... They have the mutagen, there's plenty of them to keep an eye on him and to keep him running, and both will terminate the Turtles to get to April O'Neil.

In Pulverizer returns, when Donnie tells him to get out the of the Foot. He looks down at his mask before looking up and is like "Right, I'll get out of the Foot." *wink, wink*

And when Donnie was trying to prevent him from getting mutated, he warned him several times that getting mutated was a bad idea and it would not give him the results he wanted. The guy still mutates himself anyway and walks around blindly complaining that that the mutagen burns and plaintively asking "Is it normally like this?"

Then when he transforms he's feral minded and confused about where he is. But Donnie is able to get through to him for a moment, and that's when Timothy looks at his reflection and is not happy about what he has become. That's when he snarls and attacks.

And in Mutagen Man unleashed when Donnie stops Leo from attacking Mutagen Man, and says "He was only trying to get April back for us."
Timothy says "No April not Turtle friend, April my friend....Turtles hurt April...hurt me." When he says hurt me he holds up the arm that had the hand Leo had severed off as emphasis. But it was also showing he regarded the fact they didn't tell him he would become that as hurting him. Even though ironicly Donnie did warn him by saying the results were unpredictable.

[turtle1237]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Timothy was just as annoying as Zach in the 80's cartoon who joined the turtles.

Take that back, if giving the choice, I hang out with Zach all day than a min with Timothy.

Zach may not be the best kid in TMNT worlds, but he is ten times better than Timothy.

[pennydreadful]

I don't hate Timothy... but I don't think I could hack hanging out with him for a day either.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Mr Null

All of them. I am so glad they didn't given him a bigger role this season like they threatened us with! haha..

Season 2 overall is such a vast improvement over season 1. Just a tighter, more exciting experience. And a lot of really good new editions to the cast (Casey, Slash, Tiger Claw and Rahzar).

I beg to differ , the humor is not as funny as season 1 in season 1 you laughed because od the character interaction which is still in season 2 but not as frequent most jokes don't even make me laugh .The balance between comedy and action is what I love about season 1 when one of them is done poorly the show feels incomplete . The episodes without comedy are the only great ones because most jokes really fall flat .