Will We Get A Human Girl Crushing on one of the Turtles?

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Are you serious?

Think of it this way: Would not having this make you enjoy the show any less? Because if having it in, negatively impacts people, but you insist on it, that is selfishness on your part, because you would enjoy it regardless, and only enjoy it more because of it, not less because of its absence.

Increasing your enjoyment of something you were enjoying already, at the expense of someone else's enjoyment entirely, is incredibly selfish.

Furthermore, I'm completely nonplussed that you accuse me "close-minded", you started the entire snafu by asking for opinions, and as soon as someone disagreed with you, you called them selfish. This is an utter logical fallacy. You asked for opinions. By very definition you are opening the possibility that someone doesn't feel the same way as you.

And to complete the trifecta, I'm on the fence about this and am mostly playing the devil's advocate. I didn't expect you to take it so personal.

It's a damn cartoon. Chill out.

Actually, I wasn't really asking opinions, I was just asking will we see the reverse later on. It's no different than the threads asking if we will see Bishop, or the Triceratons, or the Newtrinos or Mona Lisa. This topic obviously disturbs you for some reason, so maybe you should just not come in here anymore. It's just harmless fun, I didn't mean this to become hostile. I more or less set it up for those who are entertained by the idea and like to dive deeper into characters other than the slash they might get on their arm in a fight.

Originally Posted by Luckyday

I don't know what the mechanics are for a mutation. For longest time, I thought they had half of the dna of the last thing they touch and then I read this http://event0horizon.tumblr.com/post...dings-becoming and thought they were splice animals with tiny bit of human dna and now that I know that the mutagen was meant to fully transform a mutant and not stop half way through which got me thinking that April might be a reverse kraang cause they need her dna to fix it so I guess don't know what to think anymore.

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I always assumed that the Turtles became half human the second the mutagen touched them. Especially in the Nick version. They are obviously more human than they are turtles now, what with their emotions, intelligence, the way they are attracted to humans (we have yet to see one of them look at another turtle in a park and have them go, yeah, that one looks hot) and, the fact Leonardo falls right into freezing cold water, is breathing heavily when he gets out, and is still able to fight shows he is leaning far more towards human than turtle.

[Coola Yagami]

I could care less. The turtles aren't really turtles anymore anyway in the literal sense. Turtles don't talk and fight martial arts. They're basically green humans with shells now. And they're a lot less monstrous looking than Rahzar and Fishface. Plus they're the likeable good guys. Only natural some girls falls for them based on heroics alone. Like any other hero series.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Will We Get A Human Girl Crushing on one of the Turtles?

Ew, no... At least Donnie has the excuse that that the only other three members of his species are his brothers.

[IndigoErth]

On the half-human debate, reminded me of something...

Ya ever see on the digital cable on-screen tv guide listings when scrolling ahead to future episodes that some sometimes don't yet have a description for the episode yet, just a generic TMNT description? Usually it seems to say roughly the same thing, though I caught an odd one with a different description recently, say...prob less than two weeks ago. It called them half-human, half-turtle.

Not that that proves anything, and wasn't my point, but found it curious/interesting/gave me a giggle. Hmmmmm


Personally I take them as being half or at least partially human and loosely related to Splinter in some round about way via his DNA. Beyond the looks, they're much more similar to humans than dissimilar. We're such a touchy species about this stuff though, it would be amusing if it wasn't sad. Same kind of attitudes have long ostracized real humans with various disorders. If TMNT were real I would hope humanity could at least come to accept beings like them as people, friends even, but we have a hard enough time accepting some of our own who don't look like the norm.

As to the subject actually asked... Eh, I don't really have an issue with it. Awkward on this side of the screen yes, but in a fictional setting it's harmless. Fiction I believe has probably long been a safe place for humanity to explore various ideas - including the notion of what would happen were we not or no longer the only intelligent, talking, biped species and had others living alongside us and accepted as fellow people and citizens of our countries and cultures. I mean, that isn't out of the realm of possibly that that could have been the case on good old Earth. And then what. We've had such trouble with accepting interracial couples, now some are struggling to accept same sex couples... I can only imagine the horror of humanity if we were not alone in our societies and struggling to accept some human-??? pairs that connected in the process of our push for noble concepts such as an importance in loving someone's mind and inner beauty. Heaven help us if we were ever colonized by friendly aliens who were a bit too similar to us...

Also I think maybe where fiction is concerned it's also a bit of a gender issue. Media has long been ok with having a non-human flirt with a pretty human woman/girl who then acts receptive to it, or at least tolerant, and may appear to flirt back if not the one who initiated it. And most don't take this as any issue, we hardly even notice it even. Other versions of this however rarely seems to happen. I'm not saying it should happen, but it's no less weird that we're ok with it on one dimension but switch up the players or the sequence of events and we're suddenly horrified over something fictional.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

On the half-human debate, reminded me of something...

Ya ever see on the digital cable on-screen tv guide listings when scrolling ahead to future episodes that some sometimes don't yet have a description for the episode yet, just a generic TMNT description? Usually it seems to say roughly the same thing, though I caught an odd one with a different description recently, say...prob less than two weeks ago. It called them half-human, half-turtle.

Not that that proves anything, and wasn't my point, but found it curious/interesting/gave me a giggle. Hmmmmm


Personally I take them as being half or at least partially human and loosely related to Splinter in some round about way via his DNA. Beyond the looks, they're much more similar to humans than dissimilar. We're such a touchy species about this stuff though, it would be amusing if it wasn't sad. Same kind of attitudes have long ostracized real humans with various disorders. If TMNT were real I would hope humanity could at least come to accept beings like them as people, friends even, but we have a hard enough time accepting some of our own who don't look like the norm.

As to the subject actually asked... Eh, I don't really have an issue with it. Awkward on this side of the screen yes, but in a fictional setting it's harmless. Fiction I believe has probably long been a safe place for humanity to explore various ideas - including the notion of what would happen were we not or no longer the only intelligent, talking, biped species and had others living alongside us and accepted as fellow people and citizens of our countries and cultures. I mean, that isn't out of the realm of possibly that that could have been the case on good old Earth. And then what. We've had such trouble with accepting interracial couples, now some are struggling to accept same sex couples... I can only imagine the horror of humanity if we were not alone in our societies and struggling to accept some human-??? pairs that connected in the process of our push for noble concepts such as an importance in loving someone's mind and inner beauty. Heaven help us if we were ever colonized by friendly aliens who were a bit too similar to us...

Also I think maybe where fiction is concerned it's also a bit of a gender issue. Media has long been ok with having a non-human flirt with a pretty human woman/girl who then acts receptive to it, or at least tolerant, and may appear to flirt back if not the one who initiated it. And most don't take this as any issue, we hardly even notice it even. Other versions of this however rarely seems to happen. I'm not saying it should happen, but it's no less weird that we're ok with it on one dimension but switch up the players or the sequence of events and we're suddenly horrified over something fictional.

If we ever have nonhumans the first problem would getting use to how they look and the second problem would be trying to understand them. If you have a creature that doesn't think like a human and doesn't have the same needs wants and values then we might be unable to see them as sentient people. We would end up mistaking them as mindless monsters or worse, potential live stock.

If the turtles ever met someone that were very similar to them physically, but mentally was so different that she/he would seem almost alien then they would start questioning their own "humanity".

[Leofan26]

No thanks, don't need another love fest going on in the show messing up dramatic issues

Bad enough with the Donnie / April / Casey mess.

[IndigoErth]

Fair enough points. Sadly in the process of mistaking other beings as mindless monsters I can only assume that we, given human history, would act exactly like that ourselves. Not all... but too many.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

On the half-human debate, reminded me of something...

Ya ever see on the digital cable on-screen tv guide listings when scrolling ahead to future episodes that some sometimes don't yet have a description for the episode yet, just a generic TMNT description? Usually it seems to say roughly the same thing, though I caught an odd one with a different description recently, say...prob less than two weeks ago. It called them half-human, half-turtle.

Not that that proves anything, and wasn't my point, but found it curious/interesting/gave me a giggle. Hmmmmm


Personally I take them as being half or at least partially human and loosely related to Splinter in some round about way via his DNA. Beyond the looks, they're much more similar to humans than dissimilar. We're such a touchy species about this stuff though, it would be amusing if it wasn't sad. Same kind of attitudes have long ostracized real humans with various disorders. If TMNT were real I would hope humanity could at least come to accept beings like them as people, friends even, but we have a hard enough time accepting some of our own who don't look like the norm.

As to the subject actually asked... Eh, I don't really have an issue with it. Awkward on this side of the screen yes, but in a fictional setting it's harmless. Fiction I believe has probably long been a safe place for humanity to explore various ideas - including the notion of what would happen were we not or no longer the only intelligent, talking, biped species and had others living alongside us and accepted as fellow people and citizens of our countries and cultures. I mean, that isn't out of the realm of possibly that that could have been the case on good old Earth. And then what. We've had such trouble with accepting interracial couples, now some are struggling to accept same sex couples... I can only imagine the horror of humanity if we were not alone in our societies and struggling to accept some human-??? pairs that connected in the process of our push for noble concepts such as an importance in loving someone's mind and inner beauty. Heaven help us if we were ever colonized by friendly aliens who were a bit too similar to us...

Also I think maybe where fiction is concerned it's also a bit of a gender issue. Media has long been ok with having a non-human flirt with a pretty human woman/girl who then acts receptive to it, or at least tolerant, and may appear to flirt back if not the one who initiated it. And most don't take this as any issue, we hardly even notice it even. Other versions of this however rarely seems to happen. I'm not saying it should happen, but it's no less weird that we're ok with it on one dimension but switch up the players or the sequence of events and we're suddenly horrified over something fictional.

I'd like to know why nobody really had issues with Superman and Lois Lane? Are they not factually, different species?

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

I'd like to know why nobody really had issues with Superman and Lois Lane? Are they not factually, different species?

True, but here's what I see the difference between Superman & TMNT. Kryptonians, while aliens, are still very much humanoid beings. On Krypton, they're pretty much the same as us, minus the super powers under the red sun. So it's understandable why many people aren't bothered by that.

The Turtles however, while anamorphic mutants that walk, talk, and act like humans, are still Turtles. Showing an actually human female character falling in love with one of them just seems....creepy honestly.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

True, but here's what I see the difference between Superman & TMNT. Kryptonians, while aliens, are still very much humanoid beings. On Krypton, they're pretty much the same as us, minus the super powers under the red sun. So it's understandable why many people aren't bothered by that.

The Turtles however, while anamorphic mutants that walk, talk, and act like humans, are still Turtles. Showing an actually human female character falling in love with one of them just seems....creepy honestly.

What about Shrek? Human princess, regular ogre?

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

What about Shrek? Human princess, regular ogre?

You mean the same princess that stayed as a ogre after the first film and the sequels after it?

If Fiona remained human after the first movie and still married Shrek, your point may have been a bit more valid.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

You mean the same princess that stayed as a ogre after the first film and the sequels after it?

If Fiona remained human after the first movie and still married Shrek, your point may have been a bit more valid.

What about Eliza and Goliath in Gargoyles?
Leonardo and Radical via comics?

And anyway, this is nothing like till death do you part, it's just a silly crush that could last like, 2 episodes. People are taking this waaaayyyyy too seriously.

Either way, the TMNT are no longer turtles, they are now half human half turtle. You people are going to have to deal with that. It's not black or white anymore. Never was.

[DarkLightDragon]

I just think you're taking this too personally rather than this being treated seriously.

[snake]

Eh. I don't want any more love interests. Casey/Donnie/April is good enough for me.

[Warhorse]

Good thing you're not in control of the show.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

What about Eliza and Goliath in Gargoyles?

While it's true there was something between them, in the end it didn't really result in much in the end, as they never did get together officially.

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Leonardo and Radical via comics?

Never did like the idea of it, personally. Still don't

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Either way, the TMNT are no longer turtles, they are now half human half turtle. You people are going to have to deal with that. It's not black or white anymore. Never was.

I realize this is just your opionion, but I'm not gonna just "deal with it". The bottom line is that I hate the idea of a human X turtle pairing, and I believe that kinda garbage should just remain in those bad fan fics you see online.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Good thing you're not in control of the show.

I don't your problem today. So what if I don't want more love intrests.

[Luckyday]

I am not really against the idea but I don't have faith that they can be written well. It seems that their idea to write romances are base on romantic comedies and sitcoms.

If they don't know how to do it then don't it.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

It seems that their idea to write romances are base on romantic comedies and sitcoms.

Wow, weird mental image of TMNT (v2014) twist on the show Friends. I didn't even like Friends...

[Megchan]

I think it's an interesting idea, but I don't feel like it will happen. Unless of course the writers decide to go the Apriltello route, but that's still up in the air.

I also don't think there's any problem with the idea that fictional characters, who are anthropomorphic animals, have a relationship of any kind with a human.

We don't only like the turtles in this series because they're anthropomorphic turtles, but because of their personalities and sweet ninja skills. At least that's how I feel. Everyone is allowed to have there own opinion on the topic and as long as no one pushes their views onto me, I'm fine with them not agreeing with me.