Why do people hate Casey Jones?

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

See, my problem with this statement is that just because the show is for kids doesn't mean it can't have well-written content and subplots. Just because kids can appreciate a show without those things doesn't mean the writers shouldn't try, because they've got nothing to lose by writing well.

I agree with that. I've criticized about that in relation to the plot amnesia with the show. I mean it's one thing for a show to have different tastes in tone, comedy, etc., but when it's not keeping up with it's own storywriting and creates plot holes along the way, it brings up the question as to how serious is the production crew is about writing the show, or do they think the audience is just too young, and therefore too unobservant, to notice these things?

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

The main problem with the triangle is neither Casey nor Donnie, it's April. She hasn't been clear herself about whom she likes or whom she doesn't unless she is genuinely confused and likes something about both. She's yet to be shown saying, "Dude, leave me alone! I don't like you in the way that you like me and your always trying to show off isn't going to help me like you in that way!"

Personally, I think her character is a bit confused over that.

Originally Posted by Luckyday

I know this sounds like I'm bad mouthing her but maybe that's why April is being a tease about this whole thing. You have to remember that was a time when she had an awkward phase that didn't guaranteed a lot of male attention.

Also, like it or not, she also sixteen and probably is a bit of a romance novel junkie so from her perspective, she in a exciting and unique position.

I think she does love Donnie, but what she doesn't realize is that she doesn't love herself enough to be herself around Donnie (if that's makes any sense ) . Maybe that's why Casey can get April to open up because April doesn't really want Casey so she has nothing to lose.

In a nutshell, April is somewhat a stepford snarker but underneath she's a shrinking violet, and no one wants to be a shrinking violet or in her case a nobody.

This right here is what makes me so uncomfortable with it though - the constant use of love triangles in fiction in order to portray desirability basically sends the message that a woman's appeal, worth and attractiveness is based on how many/how badly dudes wants to prong her. At the risk of getting crass here - it doesn't matter what you look like; if you're a woman, some dude will always want to bang you. Dick is high volume, low currency. Even I get offers, and I'm far from the standard ideal of attractive (and that's before I open my mouth and start talking).

Rather than devoting a bit more time to portraying her uncertainty, or anything regarding her emotions about the two at all, they're leaving it ambiguous and people then regard her as either a tease or a player - which is intensely squicky and problematic. I don't understand why they can't portray her confusion a bit more clearly, instead of feeding into the "women are mysteries and teases who use male attention to bolster their egos and who don't know what they want, all while crushing mens' hearts beneath their heels." We're left with very little doubt as to how Donnie and Casey feel about April, we get beaten over the head with it every other episode but no time's been spent really delving on April's own feelings.

Someone else can probably cover what I'm trying to get across here much more eloquently, but as I said, with the way this is playing out at the moment, it's just really starting to bug me.

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

See, my problem with this statement is that just because the show is for kids doesn't mean it can't have well-written content and subplots. Just because kids can appreciate a show without those things doesn't mean the writers shouldn't try, because they've got nothing to lose by writing well.

Word.

[Luckyday]

I can what to see a episode devoted to what April's think about love and maybe a lesson in how you shouldn't try to emulate on what you see in romance movies.

Honestly, if Donnie was just as big as dick as Casey (not so obsessive). I wouldn't mind April being a playa.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Rather than devoting a bit more time to portraying her uncertainty, or anything regarding her emotions about the two at all, they're leaving it ambiguous and people then regard her as either a tease or a player - which is intensely squicky and problematic. I don't understand why they can't portray her confusion a bit more clearly, instead of feeding into the "women are mysteries and teases who use male attention to bolster their egos and who don't know what they want, all while crushing mens' hearts beneath their heels." We're left with very little doubt as to how Donnie and Casey feel about April, we get beaten over the head with it every other episode but no time's been spent really delving on April's own feelings.

Someone else can probably cover what I'm trying to get across here much more eloquently, but as I said, with the way this is playing out at the moment, it's just really starting to bug me.

As much as we would like to assume that Nick April has that much character depth of her being uncertain and confused, the show doesn't seem to regard that as important since this Donatello crush over her has been going for over 2 full seasons already, and April still hasn't given anything concrete on her exact position or viewpoint regarding the whole love triangle.

I mean I'd like to assume Nick April is intelligent and observant of her surroundings and people (especially now since she's telepathic), so it's very bizarre she would behave so vapid and/or ambiguous about the whole love triangle thing as it plays in front of her. That's why I joke around that Nick April must have an ulterior, exploitative motive with these two if she still hasn't done anything about it after so many episodes, and with the love triangle being so prominent in the series.

...Psssh, I mean if Nick April was a playa, it would certainly give some intrigue (making her character not so pure) and some form of depth to her character at least as to why she is doing so, rather than her being currently portrayed as being so close to a Mary Sue.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

As much as we would like to assume that Nick April has that much character depth of her being uncertain and confused, the show doesn't seem to regard that as important since this Donatello crush over her has been going for over 2 full seasons already, and April still hasn't given anything concrete on her exact position or viewpoint regarding the whole love triangle.

I mean I'd like to assume Nick April is intelligent and observant of her surroundings and people (especially now since she's telepathic), so it's very bizarre she would behave so vapid and/or ambiguous about the whole love triangle thing as it plays in front of her. That's why I joke around that Nick April must have an ulterior, exploitative motive with these two if she still hasn't done anything about it after so many episodes, and with the love triangle being so prominent in the series.

...Psssh, I mean if Nick April was a playa, it would certainly give some intrigue (making her character not so pure) and some form of depth to her character at least as to why she is doing so, rather than her being currently portrayed as being so close to a Mary Sue.

But why string along a talking turtle of all people at this point? Well unless Kirby's bad luck continues and gets mutated again.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Rather than devoting a bit more time to portraying her uncertainty, or anything regarding her emotions about the two at all, they're leaving it ambiguous and people then regard her as either a tease or a player - which is intensely squicky and problematic. I don't understand why they can't portray her confusion a bit more clearly, instead of feeding into the "women are mysteries and teases who use male attention to bolster their egos and who don't know what they want, all while crushing mens' hearts beneath their heels." We're left with very little doubt as to how Donnie and Casey feel about April, we get beaten over the head with it every other episode but no time's been spent really delving on April's own feelings.

Yeah, exactly, and it would be such an easy fix to now and then get a little into April's head, rather than only ever seeing the situation via Donnie and Casey's eyes.

After she kissed Donnie, it would have been so simple to close out the episode with a quick moment of her writing in her journal and hearing her thoughts about what had just happened there... A third of the context is missing in that triangle.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

But why string along a talking turtle of all people at this point? Well unless Kirby's bad luck continues and gets mutated again.

That possibly. Maybe April wants Donnie to focus on protecting her, and working toward the retromutagen again for her father before Donnie decides to focus on Karai.

Honestly though? I just think we're all taking the love triangle way too seriously, even though we might wish the depth of the main characters was far deeper than how it is currently being portrayed. ...Or at least we were lead to assume with the decent first season and from a serial show. With me complaining about the plot amnesia and lack of attention to the storywriting details, it's not difficult for me to believe that most of the characters are getting this same type of shallow, complacent treatment, in which the love triangle is simply used for whimsical comedic material rather than anything substantial in relation to the depth of the characters.

[tylerdavies]

Casey is alright. I like his vigilante getup. I have two problems with him that others also seem to have; the love-triangle subplot and his overly cocky attitude(especially this). I don't like characters that talk about their "supreme awesomeness" like how casey does. I found his attitude to be the worst in his debut appearance Mutagen Man Unleashed and the episode Newtralized.

[BubblyShell22]

I don't hate Casey in this incarnation, though he does come off as arrogant at times. But underneath that, he does have a big heart and really does care about April and the Turtles. I'd like to see Casey and Donnie bonding more and maybe learning to get along better and have an understanding about things. Based on the Speed Demon episode we're going to get, it looks like the two of them are going to interact again, and I think that's a good thing.

[The Stryker]

Because most of the time he's written as the evil dudebro jerk that's standing in the way of poor, sweet, innocent and always right Donatello getting to be with April.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

I know this sounds like I'm bad mouthing her but maybe that's why April is being a tease about this whole thing. You have to remember that was a time when she had an awkward phase that didn't guaranteed a lot of male attention.
http://38.media.tumblr.com/ad63d09db...lbgso1_500.jpg
Also, like it or not, she also sixteen and probably is a bit of a romance novel junkie so from her perspective, she in a exciting and unique position.

I think she does love Donnie, but what she doesn't realize is that she doesn't love herself enough to be herself around Donnie (if that's makes any sense ) . Maybe that's why Casey can get April to open up because April doesn't really want Casey so she has nothing to lose.

In a nutshell, April is somewhat a stepford snarker but underneath she's a shrinking violet, and no one wants to be a shrinking violet or in her case a nobody.

I know somebody who is a professional writer, and while I didn't detail where the story was coming from, I told her about April, Casey and Donnie, and she told me, from a writer's POV, the second April was "confiding" stuff to Casey in the last episode, she said that is outright April friend zoning Casey. He could be her best friend for all we know, but, she tells me, that's classic 101 of a chick showing a guy that he's just a friend.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

I know somebody who is a professional writer, and while I didn't detail where the story was coming from, I told her about April, Casey and Donnie, and she told me, from a writer's POV, the second April was "confiding" stuff to Casey in the last episode, she said that is outright April friend zoning Casey. He could be her best friend for all we know, but, she tells me, that's classic 101 of a chick showing a guy that he's just a friend.

It's so weird how reverse this situation is.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

It's so weird how reverse this situation is.http://i.imgur.com/nDaxxYI.gif

How? It's quite typical. Guys you like, you are bashful about it, and are kind of shy around them, don't open up. Instead, yuou find yourself opening up to a guy you see as no more than a friend.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

How? It's quite typical. Guys you like, you are bashful about it, and are kind of shy around them, don't open up. Instead, yuou find yourself opening up to a guy you see as no more than a friend.

I don't know Man, it just in my head, I always see April and Donnie have this deep emotional connection and that goes beyond biology and that they (mostly April) both feel little weird out how they started feel about each other but nope not here, right off the bat with April it was like "Gahh! This guy is so freakin adorable but I have to be all aloof and not be myself so he can all totally into me to have his babies....or eggs?"

April is weird, Man.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

I know somebody who is a professional writer, and while I didn't detail where the story was coming from, I told her about April, Casey and Donnie, and she told me, from a writer's POV, the second April was "confiding" stuff to Casey in the last episode, she said that is outright April friend zoning Casey. He could be her best friend for all we know, but, she tells me, that's classic 101 of a chick showing a guy that he's just a friend.

Shouldn't this vary from person to person and situation to situation? Take Ron and Hermione, for instance. They weren't bashful around each other at all, but it was obvious to the readers that they liked one another.

Originally Posted by Warhorse

How? It's quite typical. Guys you like, you are bashful about it, and are kind of shy around them, don't open up. Instead, yuou find yourself opening up to a guy you see as no more than a friend.

Yeah, like I said, this varies from person to person. Some people are bashful, some actually hide it well and still act like themselves. As a matter of fact, if I'm interested in a guy, I try to have conversations with him where we're both confiding in each other, as a way to get to know one another better, or find common interests, etc. In this regard, I've never been particularly "bashful", but I am more mindful of what I say and don't say.

[victory_angel]

My pseudo-brother and I do have a flirtatious way of acting around eachother. And if I did say I was interested in having him as a boy friend he'd be over the moon about it. But I am not interested in him as more then a friend so I think of him as a brother figure at best. And I have indicated at times that I am not interested in him as a boy friend, which he has accepted.

[Electric]

Honestly, hated Casey jones until this incarnation. He always seemed to me to just be a muscley idiot who didn't add anything except that he ended up with April. 2k3 Casey also got his ass kicked more often than not.

This Casey is exactly what a good young Casey should be. He's wreckless, cocky, tries to flirt with the girl he likes at any opportunity. But we've also seen him having a deeper side, like his talk with April at the ice rink. He's definitley capable, like taking down the walker thing. And not to mention he's fun to watch. The skates add a whole new element, and his new weapons like exploding pucks and volted up glove are all awesome. His design fits in the universe, and the mask with the hood and all the spikes makes him look badass.

In this series, I think I may enjoy his and Aprils fight scenes even more than the turtles, and that's saying something, cause the turtles have had some epic ones.

[Leofan26]

I don't hate this version, matter of fact I prefer him over Nick's April version or heck over Nick's Donnie at times and believe me when I see that saddens me saying that

Yah, love triangles ruin every thing, it always messes with the characters, causing them to act out of character and be a ruthless jerk. Old Donnie would never act this way, how I miss 2003 Donnie

I can't wait for the Hun arc, finally we can see Casey outside the love triangle.

[Electric]

Originally Posted by Leofan26

I don't hate this version, matter of fact I prefer him over Nick's April version or heck over Nick's Donnie at times and believe me when I see that saddens me saying that

Yah, love triangles ruin every thing, it always messes with the characters, causing them to act out of character and be a ruthless jerk. Old Donnie would never act this way, how I miss 2003 Donnie

I can't wait for the Hun arc, finally we can see Casey outside the love triangle.

totally agree with missing 2k3 donnie, he was perfect.

but i think youre unfairly fitting donnies behavior to this love triangle. this new donnie has been more high strung, less calm and reserved even when its not involving april. the old donnie would never lose his temper and shout at mikey if he was bugging him, or get snarky to raph. thats just this new donnie, i dont at all believe its because of the love triangle, rather just how this new donnie handles this situation

and yeah, cant wait for hun and casey. again not because i dont like casey in the love triangle, i like that element, it shows more character. just i think itll be dramatic and lead into more of his past/family

[TurtleGuy]

He just kinda comes off as an obnoxious douche in this incarnation, especially when he's around April(except when he's not trying to be all flirty with her. Why can't we have more of that instead of alpha male douchebag Casey). It doesn't really have anything to do with Donatello. And I wish he'd stop talking in the 3rd person.