Am I the only one who does not like 80's Leo? - Page 2

**Jester** · 01-30-2015, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Really, this went in this direction out of a stated personal opinion/distaste for something that was essentially just a side note...?

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That said, this is supposed to be about 1987 Leo, who didn't really get enough of his due in his time as it was, let alone lose it to a 2007 debate.

I dunna, Indigo, if Casey Frickin' Jones can tell that Nightwatcher is Raph, I wonder how Leo couldn't to some degree know too. To quote Casey, Nightwatcher " look(s) like a big, metal turtle."

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 01-30-2015, 10:43 PM

I wouldn't say he's my least favorite at all. 2K7 was that for me. OT Leo had so much more personality (especially in some of the episodes mentioned by others) but he also was still fun to me, even when he was being the "stick in the mud". He would say or do something to rain on the others' parade, and come out looking foolish when they just ignored him and went right on doing what they wanted, or deflated his leader-balloon with a snarky come-back. He'd realize they weren't listening, and would roll with it. The Leo from 2K7 movie would never do that- he'd just gripe and act like a jerk and end up whining to Splinter.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-30-2015, 10:46 PM

Jester: Yeah, THAT part I didn't care for. I didn't think that worked well, Leo initially "not knowing" it was Raphael. That felt tacked-on/crammed-in. I think the scene would have played better if there was, like, a pursuit, a confrontation, a brief scuffle, and then, during a moment of separation, Leo would coldly hiss, "You know you're not fooling anybody... Raphael." And then Raph would take off the helmet and be like, "So. You know." And then Leo would go into the whole spiel about endangering their family, risking "exposure", etc. etc.

Just a lot of ways the thing could've been set-up better. It felt like they needed to force the Leo/Raph fight to happen but weren't sure how to get there.

*IndigoErth* · 01-30-2015, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

I dunna, Indigo, if Casey Frickin' Jones can tell that Nightwatcher is Raph, I wonder how Leo couldn't to some degree know too. To quote Casey, Nightwatcher " look(s) like a big, metal turtle."

Yeah yeah, I know, it should have been obvious to him but, film makers... after last year I'm just about convinced that zero dumb stuff is impossible.

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I think the scene would have played better if there was, like, a pursuit, a confrontation, a brief scuffle, and then, during a moment of separation, Leo would coldly hiss, "You know you're not fooling anybody... Raphael." And then Raph would take off the helmet and be like, "So. You know." And then Leo would go into the whole spiel about endangering their family, risking "exposure", etc. etc.

Would have been a lot better, and given him more reason to be pulling an attitude. (Rather than (IMO!) leave me feeling like the writers just wanted to make him look like an ass.)

*pennydreadful* · 01-31-2015, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Jester: Yeah, THAT part I didn't care for. I didn't think that worked well, Leo initially "not knowing" it was Raphael. That felt tacked-on/crammed-in. I think the scene would have played better if there was, like, a pursuit, a confrontation, a brief scuffle, and then, during a moment of separation, Leo would coldly hiss, "You know you're not fooling anybody... Raphael." And then Raph would take off the helmet and be like, "So. You know." And then Leo would go into the whole spiel about endangering their family, risking "exposure", etc. etc.

Just a lot of ways the thing could've been set-up better. It felt like they needed to force the Leo/Raph fight to happen but weren't sure how to get there.

Dangit, now I want to see this version.

Has anyone here ever done a rewrite on the 2k7 script, like what was done with the PD script? (I can't remember which user did it, but I do know someone here did a top-to-bottom edit of the whole thing?)

*shuriken* · 01-31-2015, 12:28 AM

The worst part of OT Leo is his voice. Not Cam Clarke per se, but he does sound super whiney from like season 3-6.

*Netkeeper* · 01-31-2015, 01:17 AM

Ashangelo · 01-31-2015, 02:09 PM

I absolutey loved 80's Leo when I was younger, but as I've gotten older, I've come to realize that he's kind of an annoying character. I still like him, but obviously not as much as I did when I was little.

LeoRaph · 01-31-2015, 08:04 PM

I think 2007 Leo is the least likeable 'conventionally' yet I like him anyway mostly for those reasons if that makes sense. 2K3 Leo is my fave of the Leos, with 1990 Movies and Mirage right behind, then 2007 Leo, then nick and last the OT.

With OT Leo, I will say he is my fave turtle of the bunch just over toned down kid friendly Raph as I never found Leo boring. Then again I guess I always liked the 'more serious' characters in stuff than the 'fun' quirky ones. I will say though like Jester OT Raph influenced my sense of humour as well (also Bill Murray and to some degree Garfield from the comics irony much) but in all honesty I like the OT least from all the versions Now.

So No I don't 'Not Like' OT Leo but there are BETTER Versions of him.

*ToTheNines* · 02-01-2015, 05:25 PM

He got on my nerves sometimes yeah. He was the worst in the Archie books though.

~~Leo656~~ · 02-01-2015, 05:33 PM

I... disagree.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 02-01-2015, 05:57 PM

Yeah. He was at his absolute WORST in TNM. Actually, they ALL were. Especially Mikey, whom I usually love.

~~Leo656~~ · 02-01-2015, 06:11 PM

"Hey guys! Since we're not 'really' related, let's draw straws and see who gets to bang our step-sister!"

Ahhh, "Next Mutation". Your awfulness is Legend.

**Jester** · 02-01-2015, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

"Hey guys! Since we're not 'really' related, let's draw straws and see who gets to bang our step-sister!"

Ahhh, "Next Mutation". Your awfulness is Legend.

*pennydreadful* · 02-01-2015, 06:25 PM

Oh yeah, 'Roid-Rage Leo in TNM was hilarious. I loved seeing him randomly lose his sh*t any time his brothers were making too much noise.

~~Leo656~~ · 02-01-2015, 06:29 PM

I actually don't hate that show as much as I used to since it's not the only TMNT game in town anymore, but oh man, the drinking games you can play with that show, man. For real.

I guess every franchise has to have its "Adam West Batman" phase.

*ToTheNines* · 02-01-2015, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I... disagree.

They never have him any story arcs and his shtick about hating guns just felt like insipid Murphy preaching so it wore on me.

*IndigoErth* · 02-01-2015, 06:35 PM

That show was something else. Think I've caught them all on demand a this point, I'm a little sad it was so short, it definitely in category of being so ridiculous it's funny. (I say that now having not seen it when it was new.) That Leo... hoo boy... lol But they were all a mess.

~~Leo656~~ · 02-01-2015, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

They never have him any story arcs and his shtick about hating guns just felt like insipid Murphy preaching so it wore on me.

Fair points. Although the anti-guns thing didn't really bug me much. Seemed to fit his character to me, but yeah, the actual presentation could've been better. Seemed like he always got the scraps when it came to the dialog.

I guess Archie Leo didn't so much "bother" me, so much as, "I wish there was more, and better."

At least he got the best wrestling outfit. "Oooooh, Raph's all in black!" Straight outta the "Shortcut To Super-Hero Bad-Assery 101 (& Other Tough Guy Cliches)" textbook.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 02-01-2015, 07:59 PM

Oh, gawd- you just brought up Cudley??!! Really??!! That is the ONE colume of Archie I own, and it's just..... There are no words for some of that sh*t. LH's origin was interesting, and maybe Man-Ray, but the rest was just- weird. Like, LSD tripping weird. (And this is coming from someone who lives with a guy who occasionally has flashbacks from that crap. And describes them in detail.)

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01-30-2015, 10:43 PM	#22
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	I wouldn't say he's my least favorite at all. 2K7 was that for me. OT Leo had so much more personality (especially in some of the episodes mentioned by others) but he also was still fun to me, even when he was being the "stick in the mud". He would say or do something to rain on the others' parade, and come out looking foolish when they just ignored him and went right on doing what they wanted, or deflated his leader-balloon with a snarky come-back. He'd realize they weren't listening, and would roll with it. The Leo from 2K7 movie would never do that- he'd just gripe and act like a jerk and end up whining to Splinter. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

01-31-2015, 12:28 AM	#26
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	The worst part of OT Leo is his voice. Not Cam Clarke per se, but he does sound super whiney from like season 3-6. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

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01-31-2015, 02:09 PM	#28
Ashangelo Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Imagi-Nation Posts: 316	I absolutey loved 80's Leo when I was younger, but as I've gotten older, I've come to realize that he's kind of an annoying character. I still like him, but obviously not as much as I did when I was little. __________________ Stalk Me http://twitter.com/Ashangelo http://www.facebook.com/#!/delusa

01-30-2015, 10:46 PM	#23
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Jester: Yeah, THAT part I didn't care for. I didn't think that worked well, Leo initially "not knowing" it was Raphael. That felt tacked-on/crammed-in. I think the scene would have played better if there was, like, a pursuit, a confrontation, a brief scuffle, and then, during a moment of separation, Leo would coldly hiss, "You know you're not fooling anybody... Raphael." And then Raph would take off the helmet and be like, "So. You know." And then Leo would go into the whole spiel about endangering their family, risking "exposure", etc. etc. Just a lot of ways the thing could've been set-up better. It felt like they needed to force the Leo/Raph fight to happen but weren't sure how to get there.

01-31-2015, 08:04 PM	#29
LeoRaph Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Sydney Posts: 357	I think 2007 Leo is the least likeable 'conventionally' yet I like him anyway mostly for those reasons if that makes sense. 2K3 Leo is my fave of the Leos, with 1990 Movies and Mirage right behind, then 2007 Leo, then nick and last the OT. With OT Leo, I will say he is my fave turtle of the bunch just over toned down kid friendly Raph as I never found Leo boring. Then again I guess I always liked the 'more serious' characters in stuff than the 'fun' quirky ones. I will say though like Jester OT Raph influenced my sense of humour as well (also Bill Murray and to some degree Garfield from the comics irony much) but in all honesty I like the OT least from all the versions Now. So No I don't 'Not Like' OT Leo but there are BETTER Versions of him.

02-01-2015, 05:25 PM	#30
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,288	He got on my nerves sometimes yeah. He was the worst in the Archie books though.

02-01-2015, 05:33 PM	#31
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I... disagree.

02-01-2015, 05:57 PM	#32
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	Yeah. He was at his absolute WORST in TNM. Actually, they ALL were. Especially Mikey, whom I usually love. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

02-01-2015, 06:11 PM	#33
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	"Hey guys! Since we're not 'really' related, let's draw straws and see who gets to bang our step-sister!" Ahhh, "Next Mutation". Your awfulness is Legend.

02-01-2015, 06:25 PM	#35
pennydreadful trash Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Australia Posts: 4,546	Oh yeah, 'Roid-Rage Leo in TNM was hilarious. I loved seeing him randomly lose his sht any time his brothers were making too much noise. __________________ Creator of the Technodrome After Dark Discussion Group. PM for an invite (must be over 18 - no exceptions).*

02-01-2015, 06:29 PM	#36
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I actually don't hate that show as much as I used to since it's not the only TMNT game in town anymore, but oh man, the drinking games you can play with that show, man. For real. I guess every franchise has to have its "Adam West Batman" phase.

02-01-2015, 06:35 PM	#38
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	That show was something else. Think I've caught them all on demand a this point, I'm a little sad it was so short, it definitely in category of being so ridiculous it's funny. (I say that now having not seen it when it was new.) That Leo... hoo boy... lol But they were all a mess.

02-01-2015, 07:59 PM	#40
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	Oh, gawd- you just brought up Cudley??!! Really??!! That is the ONE colume of Archie I own, and it's just..... There are no words for some of that sh*t. LH's origin was interesting, and maybe Man-Ray, but the rest was just- weird. Like, LSD tripping weird. (And this is coming from someone who lives with a guy who occasionally has flashbacks from that crap. And describes them in detail.) __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end