Who actually enjoyed the 2015 Fantastic Four movie?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Hmm, that's a pretty good analogy. FF= Burton Bat. I can agree with that!

As for the comics, if you're interested in learning more, there's always their wiki entry, or better yet, the Marvel Universe Wiki on their website. There are individual entries for each character. You could also try a few issues either on-line if you have a subscription, or just pick up one of the older trades. I started back in 2001, and found the book to be quite enjoyable, at least up until I quit reading in 2008 for lack of funds.

I've Wikied them, and I think the First Family could absolutely be brought into the MCU. They've got a lot to contribute, well... their rogues especially do, at any rate. Doom, Latveria, Negative Zone, Galactus, Namor, Silver Surfer, Skrulls, Kang, Annihilus...

Marvel needs to do absolutely whatever they need to do in order to force Fox to give over those rights. Let 'em keep X-Men (even though I can't fully endorse those movies), but FF deserves to spill over into the MCU. I mean, Kang, Galactus, and Doom? Those are all Phase 4,5,6 worthy villains! (Not in that order, though.)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ah, a new convert! Mwuahahaha, I see my nefarious scheme is working! Just kidding. Yeah, I'd love to see more of their baddies make it into the MCU. Of course, then you get guys like The Fearsome Five, (ie- Wizard and whomever he has working with him at any given time) who might not be as threatening, but certainly make for colorful villains!

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Of course, then you get guys like The Fearsome Five, (ie- Wizard and whomever he has working with him at any given time) who might not be as threatening, but certainly make for colorful villains!

I think you mean "The Frightful Four". The Fearsome Five are Teen Titans villains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fearsome_Five

But yeah, a variation of the team could totally work. Especially now that Spider-Man is in the MCU, even Sandman could be a part of it.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Oops. I got them mixed up, LOL! Can't believe that happened. Well, it's been a looong time since I actually read any FF comics.

[chrisdude]

I liked it quite a bit. Went to see it twice and intend to buy it. I don't have much of a background with the characters. Although I read plenty of Marvel comics, FF was never one of them. I look at stories ending in a big battle as almost a necessary evil of comic book movie, so it didn't bother me when they got through with it quickly. Besides, I thought Doom was scary.

I've got two friends who watched it with me, and neither of them thought it was bad. Not great, but not bad. I, for one, very much like to see with the story goes from here. And I'm cool with Fox keeping the property. It seems most of the films issues can be traced back to director, and there's no way they're keeping him around. So there's no reason why the next movie won't be better. It seems most of the film's issues can be traced back to director, and there's no way they're keeping him around. So there's no reason why the next movie won't be better. They'll probably leverage one of their other properties to boost Fantastic Four.

I love the MCU, and it'd be great to have Reed and Doom around, but FF has plenty to support its own universe, and I think it's nice to have different visions, instead of everybody being in the same basket. Maybe one day movie will be like comics, where you can have a connected universe, and still have different people giving differing takes on the characters. If it has to be one or the other, I'd rather the properties be spread out.

[Leo656]

I really didn't like the first F4 movie and only liked the second one a little bit better. BUT, both of them at least looked and felt like Fantastic 4 on every level; they just had some serious problems with the cast, and SOME of the humor just plain did not work.

From the very first glimpse of this new one, you're like, "That's NOT Fantastic 4. That has nothing to DO with Fantastic 4." And I kind of pretty much don't even like the Fantastic 4, I get the concept but it's not my cup of tea. It's like Aquaman; secretly I DO get it and I DO know why it works and why it's cool, I personally would just rather make fun of it. So I don't love the F4, BUT I do appreciate a faithful and solid adaptation, and I felt like most of the problems with the last two movies - Doom, Galactus - came about by NOT staying close to the source material when everything else was so dead-on. It's like if you just did THAT movie over, re-cast 2 or 3 people, and try to be 100% faithful to the comics instead of like 90%, you'd be set. That's ALL they needed to do with a new F4 movie.

Instead they try the now-overdone "Let's do the OPPOSITE of what the fans want/expect" approach, and sh*t the bed with it. I mean here's the thing... the ONLY people who liked it even a little bit, usually start their reviews with, "Well, I don't know anything about the Fantastic 4"... and you should just stop right there, because that means you'll never understand all the things wrong with it. It's like someone saying, "Well, I don't know much about Batman but I liked 'Batman and Robin' for what it was..." That was a bad movie AND a bad Batman movie, but you can only understand HOW awful it is IF you're a huge Batman fan. I mean yes, you can argue that even an adaptation should be judged as "its own thing" and whether or not it's a decent stand-alone film, but in this case it seems they weren't really caring much about that, either. So you get this situation where the only people who SHOULD be interested in it, are completely NOT interested because it sh*ts all over what they wanted and were supposed to get from the movie, and the only people who CAN like it are people who go into it kind of deciding they have to just because everyone else hates it, and most of those people aren't quite aware WHY certain things are bad or don't work because by their own admission they don't know the source material.

They always figure comic nerds will go see any comic book movie anyway so they can screw with it as much as they feel like. This time out the nerds spat it up right back in their faces and said "Give us what we know and like, not what you think a 'hip new version' of that should be." One critic I read summed it up pretty succinctly: "This was a movie made for absolutely no one." If you're going to START the project by alienating 90% of your potential ticket-buyers, and taunt them at every turn how they need to suck it up because you're the one making the movie and you don't care if they like it, then what's even the point anymore?

[shuriken]

Originally Posted by Leo656

One critic I read summed it up pretty succinctly: "This was a movie made for absolutely no one." If you're going to START the project by alienating 90% of your potential ticket-buyers, and taunt them at every turn how they need to suck it up because you're the one making the movie and you don't care if they like it, then what's even the point anymore?

Is it weird that Mirage Volume 4 comes to mind when I read that?
Anyway I was never a fan of F4. But I found the first one entertaining. I had about 3-5 friends go see it and one of them said "It's more like the meh 4. It's not bad there just wasn't anything really good about it."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by shuriken

Is it weird that Mirage Volume 4 comes to mind when I read that?

That hurts, man... that hurts because it's TRUE.

[THGhost]

A lot of this feels like nitpicking, guys.

Originally Posted by Etsyturtle2

like it just as much as tmnt 2014. So a lot! Reeds powers came from when he was stuck under the rock and it kind of implied that his body was stretched instead of crushed, because of the radiation or whatever.

Well that makes sense.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I don't even remember, I've managed to block most of it from my mind. Except for the cracked green lava skull of Doom.

That's gonna haunt me the rest of my days... I mean, it's potentially a cool design. But no way in hell is that Doom. I don't know much about Doom, but I know that much.

Ditto.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

If it weren't for the whole "Galactus is a cloud" thing from the sequel, I think the movies wouldn't garner nearly as much scorn. But again, I freely admit I don't know all that much about Marvel's First Family, so I'm only able to provide an outsider's perspective...

Was he a cloud though? I just assumed he was behind the cloud.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by THGhost

Was he a cloud though? I just assumed he was behind the cloud.

That was their explanation. And in their defense... the huge blockbuster CBMs like The Dark Knight and The Avengers hadn't blown the doors off the industry yet.

A friggin' huge guy in purple and that dorky hat looming over Earth? Maybe 1 in 4 people would have thought it was cool... but those not in the know would have used words like "bizarre", "idiotic", and "WTF."

[MsMarvelDuckie]

To be fair, Galactus absolutely could have been truly terrifying if done properly, all he needed was a little "upgrade" to his design. Something a bit more sterile, cold, and dark. He's very much a cosmic-level threat, which is kind of the point. He's a planet-killer. That "cloud" was just their version of "the Nothing" from Never-Ending Story, something that would seem vaguely threatening and evil, without having to take the time and effort to truly show why he's so darned dangerous. That was why he was a disappointment. And "behind the cloud"? That's getting into "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" territory. It's cheap and lazy. It's the old man playing at being the Wizard.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

To be fair, Galactus absolutely could have been truly terrifying if done properly, all he needed was a little "upgrade" to his design. Something a bit more sterile, cold, and dark. He's very much a cosmic-level threat, which is kind of the point. He's a planet-killer. That "cloud" was just their version of "the Nothing" from Never-Ending Story, something that would seem vaguely threatening and evil, without having to take the time and effort to truly show why he's so darned dangerous. That was why he was a disappointment. And "behind the cloud"? That's getting into "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" territory. It's cheap and lazy. It's the old man playing at being the Wizard.

^ Agreed 100%.

If done right, Galactus could look great in a realistic setting. Something like this design could definitely work for a movie:

Spoiler:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

^ Agreed 100%.

If done right, Galactus could look great in a realistic setting. Something like this design could definitely work for a movie:

Spoiler:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BEAmZpx-jTk/maxresdefault.jpg

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

To be fair, Galactus absolutely could have been truly terrifying if done properly, all he needed was a little "upgrade" to his design. Something a bit more sterile, cold, and dark. He's very much a cosmic-level threat, which is kind of the point. He's a planet-killer. That "cloud" was just their version of "the Nothing" from Never-Ending Story, something that would seem vaguely threatening and evil, without having to take the time and effort to truly show why he's so darned dangerous. That was why he was a disappointment. And "behind the cloud"? That's getting into "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" territory. It's cheap and lazy. It's the old man playing at being the Wizard.

You're both absolutely right. But realistically, I'm not surprised no one at the time thought to upgrade Galactus' look like that.

Fingers crossed for the MCU, right?

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

You're both absolutely right. But realistically, I'm not surprised no one at the time thought to upgrade Galactus' look like that.

Fingers crossed for the MCU, right?

Hear hear!