Should Jackie Chan be in TMNT 3?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!!!!

[Powder]

Don't become Mewtwo.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Not all versions of the TMNT use those exact weapons. For example, the Nick Leo uses a Niten Ryu.

"Niten Ryu" is not a weapon....

Niten Ichi-Ryu is a sword art school, which is one of the more famous schools for employing dual-wielding techniques by using both the long sword and the short sword.

Leonardo have for the most part throughout the franchise been inaccurately portrayed with either using a pair of fictional fantasy swords called ninjato, or been carrying two katana which are two-handed long swords. But there are moments of accuracy like some older pin-up artworks and Palladium' rpg TMNT & Other Strangeness.

Nickelodeon Leonardo is the first one to accurately be portrayed properly with a Daisho, a Daisho is the name for having a pair of swords with different lengths as daiso literally means "big-little".

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

and how accurate names like "Oroku Saki" and "Tang Shen the Japanese woman"

Of what I've gathered Oroku is a legit name, or at least plausible enough that the Japanese dub of the FW didn't rename it, and only renamed Shredder's given name from Saki, a very feminine girl's name to Sawaki which is a boy's name. While Splinter's name Hamato Yoshi was completely reworked to Yoshihama Takeshi so it would be authentic to the Japanese audience.

In the Nick cartoon canon, Tang Shen's grandfather is Chinese and afaik I don't think it's ever stated that Shen was full Japanese in other incarnations, giving ample of room that her name comes from her Chinese side of the family if she's not fully Chinese.

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

from a time when comic book writers thought "ninjas=generic kewel martial artists"

Which still is. That never went away, the (American) pop culture depiction of ninjas are well ingrained and will never go away.And with good reason as they are a whole lot more interesting in a action story then actual Shinobi.

That's why Shinobi-no-Jutsu (ninjutsu) is being depicted as "the Art of stealthily kill a 100 guys in most awesome fashion" when there is not a single fisticuffs technique in it, it's all techniques on acting, blending in, espionage and subterfuge.

And the ninja have a striking visual on par with superheroes. Taking that away from the Ninja Turtles lessens them.

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Originally Posted by Powder

Don't become Mewtwo.

It appears this thread is working out, and Mewtwo was a fake

[Shark_Blade]

Where's Mewtwo and where can I catch it?

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

"Niten Ryu" is not a weapon....

Niten Ichi-Ryu is a sword art school, which is one of the more famous schools for employing dual-wielding techniques by using both the long sword and the short sword.

Leonardo have for the most part throughout the franchise been inaccurately portrayed with either using a pair of fictional fantasy swords called ninjato, or been carrying two katana which are two-handed long swords. But there are moments of accuracy like some older pin-up artworks and Palladium' rpg TMNT & Other Strangeness.

Nickelodeon Leonardo is the first one to accurately be portrayed properly with a Daisho, a Daisho is the name for having a pair of swords with different lengths as daiso literally means "big-little".



Of what I've gathered Oroku is a legit name, or at least plausible enough that the Japanese dub of the FW didn't rename it, and only renamed Shredder's given name from Saki, a very feminine girl's name to Sawaki which is a boy's name. While Splinter's name Hamato Yoshi was completely reworked to Yoshihama Takeshi so it would be authentic to the Japanese audience.

In the Nick cartoon canon, Tang Shen's grandfather is Chinese and afaik I don't think it's ever stated that Shen was full Japanese in other incarnations, giving ample of room that her name comes from her Chinese side of the family if she's not fully Chinese.



Which still is. That never went away, the (American) pop culture depiction of ninjas are well ingrained and will never go away.And with good reason as they are a whole lot more interesting in a action story then actual Shinobi.

That's why Shinobi-no-Jutsu (ninjutsu) is being depicted as "the Art of stealthily kill a 100 guys in most awesome fashion" when there is not a single fisticuffs technique in it, it's all techniques on acting, blending in, espionage and subterfuge.

And the ninja have a striking visual on par with superheroes. Taking that away from the Ninja Turtles lessens them.

*SIGH* I am well aware it is a sword art school, I was making a subtle joke on the fact they declare it his 'weapon' on the back of the Nick Playmates figure box. Good grief humor does not translate over the net. Yes, nick portrays him with a daisho, the 'Ninjato' is not even an authentic weapon.

And yes, I was referring to the fact Saki was a made up name, so much so that the Japanses dub (well, there was actually more than one dub of the OT in Japan) and the Japanese OVA changed it to Sawaki. And I don't care if it's stated in the nick show how Chinese the name Tang Shen is or tried to explain it as part of her family is Chinese, my point still stands; it still wasn't well researched at the time.

You haven't told me a single thing I wasn't aware of here. Also, most of their career the turtles have been shown doing little 'Shinobi-no-Jutsu' (literally 'Shinoibi technique'- ironically, the first known written use of the term shinobi was in an eighth century poem, where it's meaning in context was 'to hide away') besides their sneaking around. Most of the time we see them in comics and other media, we see them taking on hordes of foot and other foes on rooftops or out in the open. So I feel no problems with changing it up.

Also, if you want to connect them to China instead of Japan, their stealth and martial arts techniques may come from the lin kuei (forest ghosts/forest demons) who are a shinobi equivalent in Chinese legend. They do not have to be from the Japanese tradition. They wouldn't be Shinobi, but here in America, we could still call them ninjas. (Ninja evolved as a colloquial term for shinobi anyway, born out of the Kanji that makes up the word)

I still find this whole debate amusing because the art of Shinobi no-Jutsu still traces it's origin to China, though the Buddhist monks who trained the peasant farmers martial arts so they could protect them. According to Japanese tradition, those farmers modified their farming tools into weapons, and became thew first ninjas- unless you want to push the origin of Shinobi all the way back to Prince Takeru and his assassination of the two tribal chiefs in the back during the Kofun period.

My point is, I fell they lose nothing with the severing of the Japanese connections, if the Chinese connection is made instead. Heck, I'm up for the teenage mutant lin kuei turtles!

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Jackie Chan could have played the role of Keno back in 1991.