In Name Only or Never Seen Again? - Page 2

*TigerClaw* · 11-04-2016, 03:11 PM

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Honestly I would be okay with either version as long as its executed well(like Andrew said) so I would be interested in the Nick version in theory however it feels like with the Nick version they give the new incarnation personalities and just forget them after their debut episode

Off Topic Rant- I feel as if Hun in the Nick TMNT version is the worst example, in the 4kids version he was Shredder's top enforcer and had a rivalry with Casey Jones(hell it was pretty much Hun who made Casey into a vigilante) on top of that we see Hun in various ways sometimes he follows Shredder, sometimes he leds the purple dragons and at one time we saw Hun at his lowest when he was shoveling coal with Baxter Stockman and we see him at his highest when he turned the purple dragons into a Highly Trained mercenary guild and he pretty much ruled a good chunk of New York. In the IDW version Hun is Casey's abusive father who followed Shredder in return for reclaiming his Glory days and being a better father(okay he failed at the latter but at least he tried). This Hun meanwhile.... does Bruce Lee noises and fights the main character, not don't get me wrong I didn't mind Hun's new design and I was looking forward to a new character who had a fighting style that stood out from other character(which is why I loved Xever) but they don't really do anything with the character he's pretty a non entity

Which is the reason the Nick series just creates new characters, and just gives them the name of one of the original characters, and they are nothing like the originals.

Mona Lisa in the original series, She was a college student who mutated into a lizard, The Nick version she's a space lizard.

The same thing is about to happen with Alopex, In IDW she's a mutant Snowfox, In the Nick show she's a human who mutates to a Red Fox, and also happens to be TigerClaw's sister.

*Xav* · 11-05-2016, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Examples: A shark mutant that ends up named Bludgeon instead of Armaggeon; a female Foot assassin named Jennika instead of Pimiko; a fox badass warrior turned sappy romantic interest for Raphael named Alopex instead of Ninjara (thanks to rights issues and a terrible name).

Was it really because of rights issues? The creator of Alopex said he didn't even know Ninjara existed and Ninjara was used in IDW 30th anniversary special.

*ToTheNines* · 11-05-2016, 04:02 AM

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Was it really because of rights issues? The creator of Alopex said he didn't even know Ninjara existed and Ninjara was used in IDW 30th anniversary special.

.... in a story by her creators, Murphy and Allan.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 11-05-2016, 05:28 AM

Mona-Lisa in the 2012 cartoon and some of its other characters (like Neutrinos) feel so forced just because the original were popular.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 11-05-2016, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

I'll say this; as much as I love IDW, one of the things that drives me up the wall that they make characters, who could have just as easily been old characters, and were stuck with even more characters piled onto an already overflowing mountain (Why Alopex instead of Ninjara? If the name's stupid just call her umeko. Old hob could've been scratch, Bludgeon should've been Armaggon, Zodi could've been Quarry, Ace Duck could've been the goofy mutianimal instead of Pigeon Pete, Why not make the Pizza guy who's friends with Mikey either Carter or Keno, why Hrold Lyja instead of 'Dr. Perry', etc.)

Yeah, but Quarry and Zodi have NOTHING in common. And Pidgeon Pete was technically already in Fred Wolf.

*CyberCubed* · 11-05-2016, 11:28 AM

Why on earth would you want Old Hob to be scratch? What purpose does that serve? Or Pete to be Ace Duck? And as said Zodi and Quarry have nothing in common.

The only suspiciously similar character is Alopex to Ninjara obviously, everyone else is completely different. Bludgeon is also a hammerhead shark and not a great white shark like Armaggon.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 11-05-2016, 11:29 AM

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Why on earth would you want Old Hob to be scratch? What purpose does that serve? Or Pete to be Ace Duck? And as said Zodi and Quarry have nothing in common.

The only suspiciously similar character is Alopex to Ninjara obviously, everyone else is completely different. Bludgeon is also a hammerhead shark and not a great white shark like Armaggon.

I'm personally quite glad Old Hob is a unique character. Scratch isn't a character; he's a toy that showed up as a boss to one obscure video game.

*CyberCubed* · 11-05-2016, 11:34 AM

Agreed, I really don't get where he's coming from saying these characters are all the same.

More than half the characters in IDW are old characters anyway, why take out the few new characters we have?

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 11-05-2016, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Agreed, I really don't get where he's coming from saying these characters are all the same.

More than half the characters in IDW are old characters anyway, why take out the few new characters we have?

They DID bring back those Mutanimals character concepts in B&RDE... the anglerfish and the seahorse. So yeah, these guys do their homework.

*TigerClaw* · 11-05-2016, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

I'll say this; as much as I love IDW, one of the things that drives me up the wall that they make characters, who could have just as easily been old characters, and were stuck with even more characters piled onto an already overflowing mountain (Why Alopex instead of Ninjara? If the name's stupid just call her umeko. Old hob could've been scratch, Bludgeon should've been Armaggon, Zodi could've been Quarry, Ace Duck could've been the goofy mutianimal instead of Pigeon Pete, Why not make the Pizza guy who's friends with Mikey either Carter or Keno, why Hrold Lyja instead of 'Dr. Perry', etc.)

Old Hob could've been called Manx/Verminator X.

*CyberCubed* · 11-05-2016, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Old Hob could've been called Manx/Verminator X.

That could very well happen.

*Powder* · 11-05-2016, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

I'll say this; as much as I love IDW, one of the things that drives me up the wall that they make characters, who could have just as easily been old characters, and were stuck with even more characters piled onto an already overflowing mountain (Why Alopex instead of Ninjara? If the name's stupid just call her umeko. Old hob could've been scratch, Bludgeon should've been Armaggon, Zodi could've been Quarry, Ace Duck could've been the goofy mutianimal instead of Pigeon Pete, Why not make the Pizza guy who's friends with Mikey either Carter or Keno, why Hrold Lyja instead of 'Dr. Perry', etc.)

This is stupid.

-Viacom does not own Ninjara (or Umeko). Eastman wanted to create a fox, so he did.
-Scratch is toy fodder, no need to merely recycle a namesake.
-Armaggon is a shark, time traveling genius, & partner to Shredder. Blugeon is a hammerhead, merely muscle who aids in aquatic operations.
-Quarry is not a SWAT Scorpion.
-Viacom does not own Keno or Dr. Perry, & Carter is almost universally disliked. He's the pre-Venus Venus.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 11-05-2016, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

This is stupid.

-Viacom does not own Ninjara (or Umeko).
-Scratch is toy fodder, no need to merely recycle a name.
-Blugeon & Armaggon are two entirely different species with unique personalities/roles/designs.
-Quarry is not a SWAT Scorpion.
-Viacom does not own Keno or Dr. Perry, & Carter is almost universally disliked. He's the pre-Venus Venus.

Doesn't every version have a pre-Venus Venus? A pariah of the series?

*Powder* · 11-05-2016, 02:41 PM

Not entirely. You've got Zach, Timmy, Angel, but only Carter & Venus were the permanent "5th Turtle, Mary Sue". Nick's April is running a close third at this point, though.

*TigerClaw* · 11-05-2016, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Not entirely. You've got Zach, Timmy, Angel, but only Carter & Venus were the permanent "5th Turtle, Mary Sue". Nick's April is running a close third at this point, though.

Wouldnt Casey Jones be considered the 5th Turtle? Most often or not, He's always with the Turtles when fighting crime.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 11-05-2016, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Not entirely. You've got Zach, Timmy, Angel, but only Carter & Venus were the permanent "5th Turtle, Mary Sue". Nick's April is running a close third at this point, though.

Yeah, I guess you're right. I was thinking April or Timmy/Mutagen Man from Nick... but couldn't think of anyone for 4Kids.

Ninjara would be the Archie version, except most people like her as far as I know.

*TigerClaw* · 11-05-2016, 02:54 PM

I wonder if the show or IDW will ever do a version of Mezcaal, She's the mutant Coyote from the future in the Archie comics.

*ToTheNines* · 11-05-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

Not entirely. You've got Zach, Timmy, Angel, but only Carter & Venus were the permanent "5th Turtle, Mary Sue". Nick's April is running a close third at this point, though.

4kids did have Cody.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 11-05-2016, 03:04 PM

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4kids did have Cody.

I FORGOT ABOUT CODY!!!!!

There we go. Abso-stinkin'-lutely.

*Powder* · 11-05-2016, 03:06 PM

It's been a few years since I watched Fast-Forward, but wasn't he more of a stay-at-home ally? Someone who largely just provided tech resources & inside info?

11-05-2016, 02:54 PM	#37
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11-05-2016, 05:28 AM	#24
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,480	Mona-Lisa in the 2012 cartoon and some of its other characters (like Neutrinos) feel so forced just because the original were popular.

11-05-2016, 11:28 AM	#26
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,795	Why on earth would you want Old Hob to be scratch? What purpose does that serve? Or Pete to be Ace Duck? And as said Zodi and Quarry have nothing in common. The only suspiciously similar character is Alopex to Ninjara obviously, everyone else is completely different. Bludgeon is also a hammerhead shark and not a great white shark like Armaggon.

11-05-2016, 11:34 AM	#28
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,795	Agreed, I really don't get where he's coming from saying these characters are all the same. More than half the characters in IDW are old characters anyway, why take out the few new characters we have?

11-05-2016, 02:41 PM	#34
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	Not entirely. You've got Zach, Timmy, Angel, but only Carter & Venus were the permanent "5th Turtle, Mary Sue". Nick's April is running a close third at this point, though.

11-05-2016, 03:06 PM	#40
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	It's been a few years since I watched Fast-Forward, but wasn't he more of a stay-at-home ally? Someone who largely just provided tech resources & inside info?