Ninja Turtles vs. Thundercats - Page 2

**Kali** · 10-20-2003, 10:33 PM

Okay, if we have four turtles against all the Thundercats... the Cats would win, no doubt. BUT if we even out the numbers, then the TMNT side would stand a better chance. Add in that the Turtles are much less hesitant to do harm, or even kill, than the Cats are...

Let's just say there'd be a lot of patching up to do.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-20-2003, 10:45 PM

Well, I'm guessing few of you actually keep up on the Thundercats, since they're QUITE open to killing people... especially nowadays (if the new comics are counted as continuity, and for all intents and purposes they are).

I understand that this is a TMNT forum, and there are a lot of loyal TMNT fans here, and I myself like TMNT more than Thundercats, but quite simply Raphael has a better chance of getting pregnant than the TMNT would of winning this fight.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 10-20-2003, 11:01 PM

I love the T-Cats, but I don't think it's as open-and-shut as you all make it out to be. I really think it's anybody's fight.

Keep in mind the TMNT are fully-skilled Ninja (The T-Cats aren't)! AND, they have been out numbered before and won. They've also beaten super-poered foes before.

I think it comes down to home-town-advantage. Whoever's turf they fight in wins.

Other than that the TMNT's best hope is to get the Sword of Omens from Lion-O then rely on Ninja-stealth for the rest of the fight. That's their best hope.

Now, Splinter on the other hand can take-on ALL the Thundercat's No problem!

*Duke* · 10-21-2003, 08:32 AM

This is alot closer than most people are making it out to be. You got people in hear shouting Turtles no contest, and Thundercats in less than 5 minutes. I just don't see it cut and dry like that either way. I mean the thundercats have the numbers and the sword of omens. But the turtles are ninjas! So it really comes down to a few factors.

1. Cheetara, her speed could be a real problem but all it takes is one ninja star in the leg and she's totally useless.

2. Tygra his unique talent of invisiblity may be problem for the less talented turtles, but against Splinter or Leo it really wouldn't make that much of a difference. As well trained ninjas they don't always rely on their sight.

3. Ben Gali is probably the most crucial element to the whole picture. Alot of people wouldn't see it this way but if Ben Gali goes down there is absolutely no way to fix the sword of omens if something happens to it. "With his Hammer of Thundera Bengali can fire blue energy blasts, shatter any opposing objects, or re-forge the Sword of Omens (a once impossible task.)"

So if these 3 cats die early its a whole new ball game. The fight really comes down to Lion-O and Pantro. The way i see it is that WillyKit, WillyKat, Pumyra, and Lynx-O are just numbers not really skilled fighters and wouldn't factor much into the outcome. By this i mean splinter would fight all 4 of them and win. So the battle really comes down to the sword of omens, if Donnie could come up with some way to just damage it and without Ben Gali to fix it, Leo beats the crap out of Lion-O. And while Leo kills Lion-O the other 3 turtles take the out the strongest thundercat Panthro.

But if the turtles can't kill Cheetara, Tygra, and Ben Gali quickly or Donnie can't figure out a way to damage/destroy the sword of omens, all 4 turtles and splinter die with only minimum casualties for the thundercats.

Shellfox · 10-21-2003, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cqb101

T-cats by far......Although if the turtles had Casey, Usagi, and Ninjara on their sideit's a whole different ball game....

as much as I am a fan of Ninjara
BIG MAGIC SWORD, I swear I remeber an ep where the sword was 50 feet long or so and could pull people through the air (like thors hammer).
Unless Don Whips out the turnstone, the turtles are in a lot of trouble
Crap people kit and Kat make monsters out of pelats, the turtles are in a lot of trouble here.

The cats BREATH in SPACE, that alone says the guys are up aginst some tough stuff

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 10-21-2003, 12:45 PM

Yeah, the Turnstone would make quite a difference.

If they can take out the sword of omens early, then all they'd have to do is "disappear" and the T-cats would be forced to split up while the TMNT could stay together and gang-up on each Thundercat one at a time. This form of strategy is in Sun Tzu's book "The Art of War" which according to the official Mirage website is Leo's favourite book!

Of course, this plan would work much better in territory that the TMNT are familiar with so it comes down to "home-turf-advantage" again. I really do think this is anybody's fight!

I also think that whichever side does win would be pushed to their very limits and probably sustain great injury and casualties. Sounds like a villian's plan to rid himself of both teams to me! Perhaps a team-up would be more likely and productive than a battle!

*cqb101* · 10-21-2003, 01:15 PM

What if the turtles had the sword of tengu? That would definately increase their chances of winning. powerful sword vs. powerful sword.

Shellfox · 10-21-2003, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TetsuDeinonychus

If they can take out the sword of omens early, then all they'd have to do is "disappear" and the T-cats would be forced to split

well that'll be really hard since the only way to take out the sword, Magic (which the turtles don't have unless we count Venus, and theres no way of knowing if she could stop it), cover the eye (but they'd never guess to do that), or have Lion-o attack one of the other cats.
While the 3rd could be done the other 2 would never come up
Hech even getting the sword away from lion-o is hard since all he has to do is call it and it comes to him.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 10-21-2003, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cqb101

What if the turtles had the sword of tengu? That would definately increase their chances of winning. powerful sword vs. powerful sword.

I agree! That would make a HUGE difference.

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Originally posted by TetsuDeinonychus:
If they can take out the sword of omens early, then all they'd have to do is "disappear" and the T-cats would be forced to split-up

well that'll be really hard since the only way to take out the sword, Magic (which the turtles don't have unless we count Venus, and theres no way of knowing if she could stop it), cover the eye (but they'd never guess to do that), or have Lion-o attack one of the other cats.
While the 3rd could be done the other 2 would never come up
Hech even getting the sword away from lion-o is hard since all he has to do is call it and it comes to him.

If all four Turtles gang-up on Lion-O they can overwhelm him or Leo could slash Lion-O's hand or Raph can throw his sai at Lion-O's hand then they just have to snatch it. But, their best bet really is to get between Lion-O and another cat, then jump away as he strikes. Again, it's anybody's fight!

~~Leo656~~ · 10-21-2003, 03:41 PM

I still disagree for the simple fact that the TMNT likely would have no idea what they were up against upon encountering the 'Cats. No idea about their powers, the Sword of Omens, or any of that. Just like when Superman confronts them in the new comic, expecting to take them down easy, when Lion-O and his Big Friggin' Sword (tm) shows up and knocks Supes into the middle of next week.

If Lion-O can take SUPERMAN by surprise all by himself, then the 'Cats should have no trouble beating the TMNT, ninja or no. They just have too many powers and weapons at their disposal.

Next someone is gonna be asking if the TMNT can beat the JLA....

Shellfox · 10-21-2003, 04:12 PM

Leos right the sword when aginst Superman is an equaliser. Use the sword of omean aginst the TMNT is the equivalent of using the death star to hunt fish.
Besides the guys wouldn't expest the cats or there weapons to have the abilities they have. Yes see a swrod you generaly just expect a sword, not something that fires lightning! You see a little club you don't expect a 10 foot whip that makes fire. The guys rarely come up aginst situations like this regardless of reality.
Yes the guys could beat the Snarfs, Bengaly, Pumarya, and possible the Willys and Lynxo, the the core 4 would over power them easily. (which sucks since Pumarya sould have been way more powerful, instead she was a near useless chacter with no speaciel ability)
Regardless of what we may want to believe the Cats just have to much powers for the guys to beat

~~Leo656~~ · 10-21-2003, 05:09 PM

That and Cheetara wears less clothes than April, thus, by comic book logic, making her more effective in battle.

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 10-21-2003, 05:21 PM

Skill and strategy are worth far more than strength and powers. Besides, nobody said the Turtles would be fighting without knowledge of the Thundercats.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-21-2003, 05:28 PM

Well one would assume, since they're from another planet and they speak a different language... what could they know?

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 10-21-2003, 06:54 PM

We don't know the story. Maybe they were briefed on the Thundercats powers before hand. We don't know.

This fight has no setup. There is no info. on where they are, why they're fighting, what version TMNT are we using, and whether or not Splinter is involved.

That's why I say it's anybody's fight. I still say whoever has the home-turf-advantage has this fight. Also, If Splinter and/or the Turnstone are with the TMNT, then the fight is most certainly theirs, otherwise it's T-Cats all the way.

Basically, my official vote is...

Situation #1: The Thundercat's come to earth

The TMNT can win if they can eliminate the Sword of Omens and use the "split-em-up-and-gang-up-on-em" strategy.

Winner: TMNT

Situation #2: the TMNT go to Third-Earth (Or Thundara)

Unfamiliar to their new surroundings the TMNT are overwhelmed by the T-Cat's superior numbers and firepower.

Winner: The Thundercats

Situation #3: Splinter is with the TMNT (on EITHER planet)

Splinter who is in touch with the mystic side of Ninpo can use the "Kai" and "Jin" Kuji-In skills to predict the Thundercat's movements as well as the "sight beyond sight" ability works for Lion-O. This evens the odds a bit. Also, the "Zai" and "Retsu" Kuji-In skills would be useful in combat.

Also, his superior Skill and strategy is a distinct advantage, and if he manages to achieve "Mushin" level concentration then there is no stopping him!

Winner: TMNT

Situation #4: Magic Items (the TMNT have the Sword of Tengu and the Turnstone)

The Sword of Omens is probably stronger than the Sword of Tengu so that would be a bust, but the Turnstone is almost omnipotent so that would pretty much seal it. But, JUST the Sword of Tengu wouldn't be enough. It would be back to Stuations #1 and #2.

Winner: TMNT

(No Turnstone) Winner: Thundercats

You see what I mean by "anybody's fight"?

BTW Which Superman did Lion-O fight?

MW8979 · 10-21-2003, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Raphael has a better chance of getting pregnant than the TMNT would of winning this fight.

But...that's a biological impossibility. Unless...there's more to Raphael then meets the eye....

Shellfox · 10-21-2003, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TetsuDeinonychus

Basically, my official vote is...

Situation #1: The Thundercat's come to earth

The TMNT can win if they can eliminate the Sword of Omens and use the "split-em-up-and-gang-up-on-em" strategy.

Winner: TMNT

Situation #2: the TMNT go to Third-Earth (Or Thundara)

Unfamiliar to their new surroundings the TMNT are overwhelmed by the T-Cat's superior numbers and firepower.

Winner: The Thundercats

Situation #3: Splinter is with the TMNT (on EITHER planet)

Splinter who is in touch with the mystic side of Ninpo can use the "Kai" and "Jin" Kuji-In skills to predict the Thundercat's movements as well as the "sight beyond sight" ability works for Lion-O. This evens the odds a bit. Also, the "Zai" and "Retsu" Kuji-In skills would be useful in combat.

Also, his superior Skill and strategy is a distinct advantage, and if he manages to achieve "Mushin" level concentration then there is no stopping him!

Winner: TMNT

Situation #4: Magic Items (the TMNT have the Sword of Tengu and the Turnstone)

The Sword of Omens is probably stronger than the Sword of Tengu so that would be a bust, but the Turnstone is almost omnipotent so that would pretty much seal it. But, JUST the Sword of Tengu wouldn't be enough. It would be back to Stuations #1 and #2.

Winner: TMNT

(No Turnstone) Winner: Thundercats

You see what I mean by "anybody's fight"?

BTW Which Superman did Lion-O fight?

1. Even if you bi-pass the sword, the other cats weapons are to much for the guys. second if the TMNT split up the cats, the cats will still be in teams of 2 making at least 4 teams, and since panthro and Lynxo stratigists they'd stay in teams of 4 and 5 maing the TMNTs #s erelevent
2. Damn right eh TMNT wouldn't win, just the black widow shark would beat the turtles
3. Way over estimating Splinter, hes a rat, they're cats, biology says they have the edge. And I believe we say in the toon when april turned into a cat, Splinters very biology works aginst him making him fearful of them.
4. Sword of Tengu- NO HELP IN THIS FIGHT, We've seen in the past with Exclaiber and Sword of Plundar, the Sword of Omens is the most powerful sword known
TRurnstone- Yes the guys would win, the things makes black holes
Star of Thundara- As if the cats didn't have enought weapons, massive powers here
Book of Omens- Just suck everyone in and only the cats could leave
Stone Giants- DO I need to go into the near godzilla sized Stautues the ctas can call on

Hell look at teh veichals the two sides have- the Thunder Tank would beat the hell out of both the Battle Shell, Party Wagon and Hummer
ThunderStrike vs Blimp- Cats win
Feliner People- they just grab the guys tack them to space, open a door and watch the guys die since the cats BREATH IN SPACE

RskimB · 10-21-2003, 07:20 PM

tmnt

MTN889 · 10-21-2003, 07:21 PM

heres my bit:
TMNT KICKS ASS. THUNDERCATS WOULD DIE.

*Duke* · 10-21-2003, 07:27 PM

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I mean, in the new Superman/Thundercats comic that's coming out, Lion-O knocks Superman for a loop. Superman. As IF any of the TMNT could win against someone who could take down f*cking Superman......

How in the crap does Lion-O do anything to Superman? Lion-O is a pussy (cat) and Superman is freakin awesome.

10-20-2003, 11:01 PM	#23
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	I love the T-Cats, but I don't think it's as open-and-shut as you all make it out to be. I really think it's anybody's fight. Keep in mind the TMNT are fully-skilled Ninja (The T-Cats aren't)! AND, they have been out numbered before and won. They've also beaten super-poered foes before. I think it comes down to home-town-advantage. Whoever's turf they fight in wins. Other than that the TMNT's best hope is to get the Sword of Omens from Lion-O then rely on Ninja-stealth for the rest of the fight. That's their best hope. Now, Splinter on the other hand can take-on ALL the Thundercat's No problem! __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

10-21-2003, 12:45 PM	#26
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	Yeah, the Turnstone would make quite a difference. If they can take out the sword of omens early, then all they'd have to do is "disappear" and the T-cats would be forced to split up while the TMNT could stay together and gang-up on each Thundercat one at a time. This form of strategy is in Sun Tzu's book "The Art of War" which according to the official Mirage website is Leo's favourite book! Of course, this plan would work much better in territory that the TMNT are familiar with so it comes down to "home-turf-advantage" again. I really do think this is anybody's fight! I also think that whichever side does win would be pushed to their very limits and probably sustain great injury and casualties. Sounds like a villian's plan to rid himself of both teams to me! Perhaps a team-up would be more likely and productive than a battle! __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

10-21-2003, 01:15 PM	#27
cqb101 Cinephile Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 8,489	What if the turtles had the sword of tengu? That would definately increase their chances of winning. powerful sword vs. powerful sword. __________________ Facebook

10-21-2003, 04:12 PM	#31
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	Leos right the sword when aginst Superman is an equaliser. Use the sword of omean aginst the TMNT is the equivalent of using the death star to hunt fish. Besides the guys wouldn't expest the cats or there weapons to have the abilities they have. Yes see a swrod you generaly just expect a sword, not something that fires lightning! You see a little club you don't expect a 10 foot whip that makes fire. The guys rarely come up aginst situations like this regardless of reality. Yes the guys could beat the Snarfs, Bengaly, Pumarya, and possible the Willys and Lynxo, the the core 4 would over power them easily. (which sucks since Pumarya sould have been way more powerful, instead she was a near useless chacter with no speaciel ability) Regardless of what we may want to believe the Cats just have to much powers for the guys to beat __________________ We're americans, We build Monster Trucks for fun! Imagin what we'll build when you piss us off!!- Christopher Titus

10-21-2003, 05:21 PM	#33
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	Skill and strategy are worth far more than strength and powers. Besides, nobody said the Turtles would be fighting without knowledge of the Thundercats. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

10-20-2003, 10:33 PM	#21
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Okay, if we have four turtles against all the Thundercats... the Cats would win, no doubt. BUT if we even out the numbers, then the TMNT side would stand a better chance. Add in that the Turtles are much less hesitant to do harm, or even kill, than the Cats are... Let's just say there'd be a lot of patching up to do.

10-20-2003, 10:45 PM	#22
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Well, I'm guessing few of you actually keep up on the Thundercats, since they're QUITE open to killing people... especially nowadays (if the new comics are counted as continuity, and for all intents and purposes they are). I understand that this is a TMNT forum, and there are a lot of loyal TMNT fans here, and I myself like TMNT more than Thundercats, but quite simply Raphael has a better chance of getting pregnant than the TMNT would of winning this fight.

10-21-2003, 08:32 AM	#24
Duke Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,913	This is alot closer than most people are making it out to be. You got people in hear shouting Turtles no contest, and Thundercats in less than 5 minutes. I just don't see it cut and dry like that either way. I mean the thundercats have the numbers and the sword of omens. But the turtles are ninjas! So it really comes down to a few factors. 1. Cheetara, her speed could be a real problem but all it takes is one ninja star in the leg and she's totally useless. 2. Tygra his unique talent of invisiblity may be problem for the less talented turtles, but against Splinter or Leo it really wouldn't make that much of a difference. As well trained ninjas they don't always rely on their sight. 3. Ben Gali is probably the most crucial element to the whole picture. Alot of people wouldn't see it this way but if Ben Gali goes down there is absolutely no way to fix the sword of omens if something happens to it. "With his Hammer of Thundera Bengali can fire blue energy blasts, shatter any opposing objects, or re-forge the Sword of Omens (a once impossible task.)" So if these 3 cats die early its a whole new ball game. The fight really comes down to Lion-O and Pantro. The way i see it is that WillyKit, WillyKat, Pumyra, and Lynx-O are just numbers not really skilled fighters and wouldn't factor much into the outcome. By this i mean splinter would fight all 4 of them and win. So the battle really comes down to the sword of omens, if Donnie could come up with some way to just damage it and without Ben Gali to fix it, Leo beats the crap out of Lion-O. And while Leo kills Lion-O the other 3 turtles take the out the strongest thundercat Panthro. But if the turtles can't kill Cheetara, Tygra, and Ben Gali quickly or Donnie can't figure out a way to damage/destroy the sword of omens, all 4 turtles and splinter die with only minimum casualties for the thundercats.

10-21-2003, 03:41 PM	#30
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I still disagree for the simple fact that the TMNT likely would have no idea what they were up against upon encountering the 'Cats. No idea about their powers, the Sword of Omens, or any of that. Just like when Superman confronts them in the new comic, expecting to take them down easy, when Lion-O and his Big Friggin' Sword (tm) shows up and knocks Supes into the middle of next week. If Lion-O can take SUPERMAN by surprise all by himself, then the 'Cats should have no trouble beating the TMNT, ninja or no. They just have too many powers and weapons at their disposal. Next someone is gonna be asking if the TMNT can beat the JLA....

10-21-2003, 05:09 PM	#32
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	That and Cheetara wears less clothes than April, thus, by comic book logic, making her more effective in battle.

10-21-2003, 05:28 PM	#34
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Well one would assume, since they're from another planet and they speak a different language... what could they know?

10-21-2003, 06:54 PM	#35
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	We don't know the story. Maybe they were briefed on the Thundercats powers before hand. We don't know. This fight has no setup. There is no info. on where they are, why they're fighting, what version TMNT are we using, and whether or not Splinter is involved. That's why I say it's anybody's fight. I still say whoever has the home-turf-advantage has this fight. Also, If Splinter and/or the Turnstone are with the TMNT, then the fight is most certainly theirs, otherwise it's T-Cats all the way. Basically, my official vote is... Situation #1: The Thundercat's come to earth The TMNT can win if they can eliminate the Sword of Omens and use the "split-em-up-and-gang-up-on-em" strategy. Winner: TMNT Situation #2: the TMNT go to Third-Earth (Or Thundara) Unfamiliar to their new surroundings the TMNT are overwhelmed by the T-Cat's superior numbers and firepower. Winner: The Thundercats Situation #3: Splinter is with the TMNT (on EITHER planet) Splinter who is in touch with the mystic side of Ninpo can use the "Kai" and "Jin" Kuji-In skills to predict the Thundercat's movements as well as the "sight beyond sight" ability works for Lion-O. This evens the odds a bit. Also, the "Zai" and "Retsu" Kuji-In skills would be useful in combat. Also, his superior Skill and strategy is a distinct advantage, and if he manages to achieve "Mushin" level concentration then there is no stopping him! Winner: TMNT Situation #4: Magic Items (the TMNT have the Sword of Tengu and the Turnstone) The Sword of Omens is probably stronger than the Sword of Tengu so that would be a bust, but the Turnstone is almost omnipotent so that would pretty much seal it. But, JUST the Sword of Tengu wouldn't be enough. It would be back to Stuations #1 and #2. Winner: TMNT (No Turnstone) Winner: Thundercats You see what I mean by "anybody's fight"? BTW Which Superman did Lion-O fight? __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

10-21-2003, 07:20 PM	#38
RskimB Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: west coast Posts: 302	tmnt __________________ leswrite.com

10-21-2003, 07:21 PM	#39
MTN889 Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I would tell you, but i fear an attack of AOL Trial CDs. Posts: 665	heres my bit: TMNT KICKS ASS. THUNDERCATS WOULD DIE.