Did you believe the ideas were original as a child?

[CyberCubed]

I never even knew Baxter as a fly came from a sci-fi movie, which had a 1986 remake with the actor from Jurassic Park no less.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

That's pretty much all I care about now, too.

Yeah, getting down to it, this really hasn't changed much for me either.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I never even knew Baxter as a fly came from a sci-fi movie, which had a 1986 remake with the actor from Jurassic Park no less.

Like I said before, I guess you have to encounter these ideas for the first time at some point and that may very well be cartoon parody. Even if the idea comes from a famous short story which spawned five movies and an opera (no, really).

I think my own first encounter with it was the Simpsons, though I probably knew about the movies. I definitely didn't know about The Shining before I saw the Simpsons parody though.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Like I said before, I guess you have to encounter these ideas for the first time at some point and that may very well be cartoon parody. Even if the idea comes from a famous short story which spawned five movies and an opera (no, really).

I think my own first encounter with it was the Simpsons, though I probably knew about the movies. I definitely didn't know about The Shining before I saw the Simpsons parody though.

Yeah, as most of these movies came out in the 80's or earlier in the 50's, if you didn't have parents show you these movies you'd never know about them until later in life when you were adult. Nearly all these popular or cult films came out before most of us were born, or when we were just kids, so we wouldn't end up knowing about them for another 18-20 years after that until we became adults.

Besides extremely popular movie franchises like Terminator, Aliens, Planet of the Apes, etc....a lot of these other movies you don't really discover till later in life. I mean the original "Fly" came out in 1959, and then the remake in 1986. We're talking about movies made before most of us were even born.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I mean the original "Fly" came out in 1959.

1958, actually

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051622/

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

1958, actually

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051622/

They made three Fly movies of the original continuity so the writers had a lot to take from.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by pferreira

They made three Fly movies of the original continuity so the writers had a lot to take from.

But aren't all ideas from the first (thinking both of "Catwoman from Channel 6" and "Enter the Fly")

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

But aren't all ideas from the first (thinking both of "Catwoman from Channel 6" and "Enter the Fly")

You could say that. All three Fly movies contain very similar themes like the accident and then trying reverse what's happened. The third Fly movie has parallels to what Shredder was doing with mutagen in the pilot.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by pferreira

You could say that. All three Fly movies contain very similar themes like the accident and then trying reverse what's happened. The third Fly movie has parallels to what Shredder was doing with mutagen in the pilot.

If the first film in the Fly series is about his transformation, what was the second about?

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

If the first film in the Fly series is about his transformation, what was the second about?

In the second movie his son gets transformed into a fly but the movie is mainly about reversing the process which ties into Baxter's search for a cure in the series. I also remember in the sequel it becomes a race against time as some crooks try to steal the unstable technology. The third movie is crazy but cool in it's own way. It's almost separate from the other two movies.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Like I said before, I guess you have to encounter these ideas for the first time at some point and that may very well be cartoon parody. Even if the idea comes from a famous short story which spawned five movies and an opera (no, really).

I think my own first encounter with it was the Simpsons, though I probably knew about the movies. I definitely didn't know about The Shining before I saw the Simpsons parody though.

I have a Bert comic dated October 1994 named "Åkensteins monster". While not in the story of course, it begins with an image of Bert with fly-wings while writing his diary. By the time, I think I used to believe the fist image parodied fly-Baxter Stockman. Did you read it (the story is not in any of the books, just the comics)?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Since it was one of the first shows I watched or paid attention too, sure. I never realized how nearly every plot of the original cartoon is based on old sci-fi movies, or old gangster movies, or old kung fu flicks in general.

It's funny to think about. Probably today there are writers writing cartoons (or whatever) inspired by X episode of the Fred Wolf TMNT show, which was actually largely based on something else from the 50s, 60s. Then a generation later, people get inspired from that, and so on and so forth.

It's like a great big Human Centipede. What began as new, fresh ideas, eventually gets redigested so many times it's... anything but.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What began as new, fresh ideas,

There's no such thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing

[BoggleKng]

Lots of inside "adult" jokes in some OT episodes. Still the humor was funny enough for kids.. As an adult, you get to enjoy both!

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's funny to think about. Probably today there are writers writing cartoons (or whatever) inspired by X episode of the Fred Wolf TMNT show, which was actually largely based on something else from the 50s, 60s. Then a generation later, people get inspired from that, and so on and so forth..

Not to forget all Startrek references.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's like a great big Human Centipede. What began as new, fresh ideas, eventually gets redigested so many times it's... anything but.

I think there's a theory about how in writing there's like five original ideas.

Originally Posted by BoggleKng

Lots of inside "adult" jokes in some OT episodes. Still the humor was funny enough for kids.. As an adult, you get to enjoy both!

I was under the impression here the OT series wasn't meant for adults judging by some of the comments by users here.

[Wesley]

Was J Gordon Hungerdunger from the ep Rhino-Man based on JR Ewing? I never thought that.

[Logan]

The "cute monster that causes havoc" cliche may have jumped out at me. I know Wise used that same storyline in Transformers. I can't really say that I ever gave much thought to whether or not something was original. It may have occurred to me if it was a parody of something that I had been previously exposed to. For example, the pizza monsters being basically a yellow xenomorph would never have crossed my mind because at that point I knew nothing about Alien.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Logan

The "cute monster that causes havoc" cliche may have jumped out at me. I know Wise used that same storyline in Transformers. I can't really say that I ever gave much thought to whether or not something was original. It may have occurred to me if it was a parody of something that I had been previously exposed to. For example, the pizza monsters being basically a yellow xenomorph would never have crossed my mind because at that point I knew nothing about Alien.

I had no idea it was based on Alien at the time because I had never seen that film. The thing is it's the design that reminds us of Alien, take that out or swap it for another creature design and it could be any other creature.

[eskater]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

I learned pretty early that there's no such thing as an original idea, so no, not even close.

That's actually a concept that's talked about in literature, how's there's no such thing as an original idea. I remember in high school my teacher talking about this actually. I honestly forget the proper term for it. Some people will go as far as to point out that a lot of religions tend to have same motifs and themes as well. I guess some things just get recycled over and over again.