Thoughts on Bojack Horseman

[PApagreg]

Well I got a good idea what the forum thinks of Rick and Morty now I want to know what their thoughts on Bojack Horseman is. I personally think its one of the finest adult animated programs out there in fact I think its much better than Rick and Morty in a lot of ways(not saying Rick and Morty is bad) especially in terms of character and how the show go on about its themes.

[Utrommaniac]

Oh, BoJack Horseman is better than Rick and Morty by miles . Even with a lot of the characters paralleling - especially BoJack and Rick.
The difference is that the audience doesn't miss the message that they shouldn't aspire to be like BoJack...unlike the "fans" of Rick who completely miss the point of Rick being an awful person who is petrified by the idea of changing himself for self-improvement.

And for as badly as BoJack treats Todd, he'd never do any of the sh*t Rick does to Morty.

They're both terrible people, but BoJack at the very least has made attempts to be better and wants to be better, even if he fails in the end.

Spoiler:

But maybe Hollyhock can be his force for change. She's an entirely new relationship for him. She's not a co-star, or a best friend, or an ex, or a moocher roommate, and isn't even his daughter.
She's his sister. Something he's never had before, not even a sister figure.
She's his clean slate for self-improvement. She's the one that he absolutely cannot mess up with (again) because he's her brother and that's a whole new set of expectations for himself.

That and he'll probably be beaten up by her eight dads if they find out he messed up again

Also, Princess Carolyn is my favorite character and I just want her to have a baby like she always wanted!

The fifth season will probably be the start of developing and filming Philbert and I hope that goes well for everyone.

[dl316bh]

I think Rick and Morty wallows in nihilism too much to ever have anything meaningful to say.

Bojack's all about trying to have an honest look at depression between the gags and jokes, without ever selling out its themes or papering over the actions of the protagonist, much less the consequences.

They seem like two entirely different shows now that it looks like Rick and Morty isn't really going to dig too deep on Ricks issues.

[Utrommaniac]

"Wallows in nihilism" is probably the best way I've ever seen it described . I mean, I thought John Gardner's depiction of Grendel was a wallower, but man...Rick.

I think BoJack's "nothing matters" schpiel to Sarah Lynn in the planetarium is a more accurate analysis on nihilism than Rick could ever belch. Mostly because it begins with "We aren't doomed"

(also it's a beautiful scene even with it ending with BoJack realizing that Sarah Lynn has died)

It's a more profound and hopeful version of Morty's "nobody exists on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere, everybody's going to die, come watch TV."

[raph27]

Bojack Horseman is probably the best show I've watched this year. Just started it in October, went through all 4 seasons and now I'm rewatching season one.

It has the best cut to credit moments as well. Helps that the credit music is so great, though I always have to make sure Netflix doesn't skip ahead to the next episode. The first time I saw that planetarium scene my jaw dropped.

I'm excited for season 5.

Spoiler:

Are Mr. Peanutbutter and Diane getting a divorce? It seemed like they were leading to that at the end of season 4.

[TigerClaw]

All the stuff I'm hearing about Bojack Horseman sounds like a really depressing show, so I guess its not for me.

[Utrommaniac]

I just realized something about the "interbreeding" of species in BoJack Horseman.

The writers have basically said that if two people of different species have a child together, the child wouldn't be a hybrid but one or the other.

Spoiler:

Like if Diane and Mister Peanutbutter decided to keep the pregnancy rather than have an abortion, they would either have a human or a puppies/litter of puppies. The doctor seemed to suggest that puppy was more likely.

"Philbert" could have been either a cat or a mouse if Princess Carolyn's pregnancy had remained viable. And depending on if one of her previous three pregnancies had been with BoJack - which I imagine would be very possible - she could have had a cat or a horse.

It's also how Hollyhock is a horse in spite of having a human mother - because her father is a horse.

I like to think that if Beatrice had married Corbin Creamerman and he adopted BoJack as his own son, BoJack would have been none the wiser for years until he was expressly told otherwise that he had a different biological father. And we'd...probably have a very, very different story if Corbin Creamerman had been BoJack's father instead of Butterscotch Horseman.

BoJack Creamerman doesn't exactly have the same ring to it, though . It would be a fun alternate universe to explore though.

But what would that mean for something such as a tiger/lion pairing? Or horse/donkey? Could that still result in a hybrid? And what would that mean for the parents, who upon having that child together, would have to battle with the odds of their child being potentially infertile, as is often the case in such hybrids.
Or does that just no longer matter in this universe?