Scooby-Doo and the Curse of the 13th Ghost

[CyberCubed]

Scooby Doo may very well be the longest lasting western cartoon in existence if you don't count Simpsons. Scooby Doo has almost had a continual presence since 1969. There is one new Scooby Doo cartoon after the other.

In my mind all the Scooby Doo series take place in the same continuity. Sure some things don't make sense or are retconned, but that's the same for superhero comics so what's the difference.

Seriously how many Scooby Doo episodes and movies are there with everything combined?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Scooby Doo may very well be the longest lasting western cartoon in existence if you don't count Simpsons. Scooby Doo has almost had a continual presence since 1969. There is one new Scooby Doo cartoon after the other.

In my mind all the Scooby Doo series take place in the same continuity. Sure some things don't make sense or are retconned, but that's the same for superhero comics so what's the difference.

Seriously how many Scooby Doo episodes and movies are there with everything combined?

As of right now there are 392 episodes of Scooby Doo, 16 TV specials/movies, 28 Direct to video movies and 5 live action movies.

The Simpsons is in fact the longest American cartoon ever made if you only count TV episodes (and don't include reboots/retitling), at 667 confirmed episodes.

Although... There were 1000 Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies shorts by the late 60's with a few additional ones after that, 502 TV show episodes based around the characters... So you know, there's that to consider.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah but the old Looney Tunes were generally 7 minute shorts, not full 22 minute episodes.

[ZariusTwo]

New clip, Easter eggs with Daphne's 80s outfit and hairstyle, plus an explanation for why their mission was cut short. Can't say I'm too satisfied with it, really throws Scooby under the bus and isn't even a half-way decent way of excusing yourselves from an assignment with higher stakes...you quit because your dog gets nervous? So just leave him at home and resume your task without him.

[sdp]

The Scooby timelines will need to be revised, the events happened "months ago", Velma/Freddy were at summer camp, they finished all their cases so they're selling everything including the mystery machine. The excuse is cheap but whatever it's far better than leaving the story unresolved for over two decades.

[oldmanwinters]

Official clips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFjzQydHIr8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT6H6K7C2dc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Ap2cuYi20


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIRyGx3mEu0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7VVouUhiTI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtAEINpuZxU

I really wish this were getting a BluRay + Digital HD combo pack release, as I hate paying full price for a barebones DVD disc with no UV digital redemption code.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7VVouUhiTI
e.

Ok, as a Daphne/Shaggy fan, this has helped me feel a whole lot better about this movie. Fred is so clearly the cuck here it wouldn't surprise me if Shaggy and Daphne were boning in secret.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Ok, as a Daphne/Shaggy fan, this has helped me feel a whole lot better about this movie. Fred is so clearly the cuck here it wouldn't surprise me if Shaggy and Daphne were boning in secret.

What the..

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by sdp

What the..

There's a cult following for the Daphne/Shaggy years and the idea the two were dating around that phase. Fred/Daphne started off as a joke in Johnny Bravo that blossomed into full on canon, some of the fans are convinced the pairing is a little too forced by WB, that there's no chemistry between Fred and Daphne (I tend to agree), and that she was much closer to Scoob and Shaggy. Sometimes the writers of the movies and shows throw the fandom an easter egg or two (like most recently Be Cool Scooby Doo where Daphne pretended to be Shaggy's girlfriend and enjoyed playing the part way too much)

[ZariusTwo]

Just read a couple of spoilers for the movie.

Spoiler:

It's a bait and switch. The 13th Ghost is actually a fake. There is no resolution to the series, and very little Shaggy/Daphne interaction

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Just read a couple of spoilers for the movie.

Spoiler:

It's a bait and switch. The 13th Ghost is actually a fake. There is no resolution to the series, and very little Shaggy/Daphne interaction

To be fair:

Spoiler:

The real thirteenth ghost is implied to have gone on to the afterlife.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by neatoman

To be fair:

Spoiler:

The real thirteenth ghost is implied to have gone on to the afterlife.

Spoiler:

How is that fair to the show or it's fans who wanted a compelling resolution? All that does is cheapen it. The gang averted near doom for the world on multiple occasions with the 12 that they did catch (hell, Time Slime rewrote reality) and you're telling me the final hurdle in their quest just got bored and left this realm of his own accord?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoiler:

How is that fair to the show or it's fans who wanted a compelling resolution? All that does is cheapen it. The gang averted near doom for the world on multiple occasions with the 12 that they did catch (hell, Time Slime rewrote reality) and you're telling me the final hurdle in their quest just got bored and left this realm of his own accord?

I guess they wanted this to fit the Scooby-Doo formula better?

Spoiler:

If you pay attention, nothing explicitly supernatural actually happens here.

[sdp]

Spoiler:

Well it's definitely underwhelming there is no actual 13th ghost, especially since it's such a bait and switch from what the movie promised.

Only positive is that I guess it works better for the timeline that they don't see an actual ghost and things are more "grounded" just in time for Zombie Island when they see monsters for the "first" time as a group.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by sdp

Spoiler:

Well it's definitely underwhelming there is no actual 13th ghost, especially since it's such a bait and switch from what the movie promised.

Only positive is that I guess it works better for the timeline that they don't see an actual ghost and things are more "grounded" just in time for Zombie Island when they see monsters for the "first" time as a group.

Spoiler:

I think the Zombie Island continuity came to a halt after "Cyber Chase"

[ranger_scout]

I rented the movie on I-Tunes. I thought it was entertaining and I was glad to see them show the backstory of Vincent Van Ghoul. It's far from perfect though.

Spoiler:

When the fake 13th ghost is unmasked, Vincent apparently sees his ancestor's spirit in a cloud of smoke after the bad guy dives his car off a cliff. Velma tells Vincent that the real 13th ghost has gone on to the after-life, but then she tells Flim-Flam that she made it up since Vincent based his whole agenda based off of the story if his ancestor. She then said that it's possible that the other 12 ghosts may have been illusions because the Himalayas can play tricks on someone's mind. Daphne said before they left that the whole summer they spent catching the ghosts was traumatizing for Scooby, so Velma's theory about illusions could've been proven correct. When Velma holds the real Chest of Demons at the very end, she still decides not to open it even though she's still doesn't believe in supernatural things.

Here are my additional thoughts:

Spoiler:

* Velma's theory about there being nothing supernatural after all might also have been right since Bogel and Weerd, two ghosts, are nowhere to be seen.

* As for Scrappy being dissed, here's what happens. When Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby reunite with Flim-Flam, Fred says that the gang is all here. Then Flim-Flam responds with "except for Scrappy." Fred and Velma then look puzzled and Velma asks, "what's a Scrappy?" This was obviously to please fans who had been unhappy with Fred and Velma being absent for so long and had no presence in The 13 Ghosts series at all.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

I rented the movie on I-Tunes. I thought it was entertaining and I was glad to see them show the backstory of Vincent Van Ghoul. It's far from perfect though.

Spoiler:

When the fake 13th ghost is unmasked, Vincent apparently sees his ancestor's spirit in a cloud of smoke after the bad guy dives his car off a cliff. Velma tells Vincent that the real 13th ghost has gone on to the after-life, but then she tells Flim-Flam that she made it up since Vincent based his whole agenda based off of the story if his ancestor. She then said that it's possible that the other 12 ghosts may have been illusions because the Himalayas can play tricks on someone's mind. Daphne said before they left that the whole summer they spent catching the ghosts was traumatizing for Scooby, so Velma's theory about illusions could've been proven correct. When Velma holds the real Chest of Demons at the very end, she still decides not to open it even though she's still doesn't believe in supernatural things.

Here are my additional thoughts:

Spoiler:

* Velma's theory about there being nothing supernatural after all might also have been right since Bogel and Weerd, two ghosts, are nowhere to be seen.

* As for Scrappy being dissed, here's what happens. When Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby reunite with Flim-Flam, Fred says that the gang is all here. Then Flim-Flam responds with "except for Scrappy." Fred and Velma then look puzzled and Velma asks, "what's a Scrappy?" This was obviously to please fans who had been unhappy with Fred and Velma being absent for so long and had no presence in The 13 Ghosts series at all.

Spoiler:

Except Fred and Velma were in seasons with Scrappy

I think we have to accept that these DTV movies are in a seperate canon from the HB era of the show.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoiler:

Except Fred and Velma were in seasons with Scrappy

I think we have to accept that these DTV movies are in a seperate canon from the HB era of the show.

That's always been the only way it makes sense to me when modern shows try to reference older material. Basically, it's like "some version of these events" happened in the new continuity. Haven't gotten around to seeing the movie yet, but even if they do play fast and loose with the vintage show's canon, I think I can enjoy it for being one possible take on the series from the perspective of the characters consistent with "Mystery Solving" philosophy. I've always thought if you go all-in on the supernatural elements of Scooby-Doo, then Velma's role is made almost irrelevant.

I do like the opening credits, with lots of specific references to old show episodes (Werewolf Daphne, the Bermuda Triangle ghost, Demondo and the comic, etc.):

[Leofan26]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoiler:

Except Fred and Velma were in seasons with Scrappy

I think we have to accept that these DTV movies are in a seperate canon from the HB era of the show.

I did along time ago since in the 80s films to 90s they are clearly adults, in these films they are teens, than this popped up confusing us Scooby fans even more


As a stand alone film it would have been good, however they kept advertising it as a final conclusion to the 13 ghosts annoyingly so. I refuse to accept that ending as canon to the series, it also doesn't even make sense with what they faced in the series. Makes me wonder what the original crew would have done to end the series, why didn't Warner Brothers get those guys back to do this film? There still a live after all, I wonder if there ticked off about all this?

Let me right a review of the Scooby gang

Shaggy- Same as always, slightly braver was cool that he still knew to fly an airplane, glad these new writers remembered his character could do that. Just wish they brought in his red T-Shirt this time, why let Daph wear similar looking clothes to her 13 Ghosts outfit but not Shaggy? Oh well.

Scooby- Same.

Daph- Pretty bad Ass, she was pretty cool in the 13 Ghosts series but they did dial that up to 11 as I don't remember her acting that hard core.

Fred- He was hilerious here, it was fun seeing him be all useless for once.

Velma- Good flipping Mike was she annoying, easily the worse part of the film. Her ego was horrible to deal with, her refusal to accept ghosts and Deamons as real drove me nuts. I kept wanting someone to tie her up and gag her toss her into the river UGH!! Are the writers trying to make the fandom hate her character? They are doing a good, every review I've read has said the same thing about her.

Flim Flam- Enjoyed his character, was in character I just wish he had more interactions with Shaggy / Daph/ Scooby

Strike 1 for not even including Scrappy in the intro and having Velma forget about Scrappy. Even Scrappy haters are finding this running gag unfunny at this point. He should he been talked about in a positive way too, he was apart of the main crew after all

Loved the intro though and the animation was on point.

Over all, as a fan of the 13 Ghosts series I find it horrible and refuse to accept that ending apart of the series. It's easy to do too as the age differences mess things up.

I worry about the Zombie Island sequel, they messed up this I hate to see how they will ruin this classic film. Please no Daph/Fred romance plot, it was cute in the original Zombie Island but with these films they've hit us over the head with a frying pan with it, we get it you both like each other just get together already!! Please let them be a couple here, please!! You want something with romance to make reference to Zombie Island film fine, give Shaggy a romance subplot instead, I'm pretty sure that'd please the fandom.

FYI I didn't realize how many Scooby fans are on here besides me.

[newfan]

Oh, just checked, it's released on Monday here. I've always grabbed the new movies if I am out and spot them. I did pick up the series for this when this thread came up as I don't remember it much and thought my children could watch it.