"Liberals are on the right side of history"

[Andrew NDB]

I keep seeing this a lot. But what history, specifically, and how? I know that societies like our own, historically, seem to fall apart after 200 years. Is there a lot of data about societies like our own lasting longer than 200 years that get super liberal (in the way that we think of it today and what they push for) that have thrived I'm not aware of?

I'm not being snarky. I genuinely want to know.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Come on man, you know Plastroncafe is not gonna come back anytime soon no matter how much you try (Not that I want her back anyway).

As for the question, I assume that most liberals believe they are morally superior to a vast number of societies in history and most societies nowdays stand for when you consider how their social stances are radically different (homosexuality and abortion being examples), thus them considering themselves to be on the "right side of history".

[neatoman]

"Right side of history" is just a slogan, a catchphrase meant to sell an opinion, you'll find them all over politics. They don't have to make sense in any broader context, they just have to be punchy. Same thing with "MAGA" and "Change", these things tend to fall apart when you actually think about them.

[Sumac]

People who are saying "we are on the right side of history" without any hint of irony or self-awareness, usually are very dangerous.

[IndigoErth]

How'd I know this was going to be an Andrew thread...

Originally Posted by neatoman

"Right side of history" is just a slogan, a catchphrase meant to sell an opinion, you'll find them all over politics. They don't have to make sense in any broader context, they just have to be punchy. Same thing with "MAGA" and "Change", these things tend to fall apart when you actually think about them.

This.

Neither political side has never been exclusively on the right side, nor exclusively wrong side. The real right is a mix of the good in both, but the tribalism of growing stupidity seems to be trying to make everything entirely black and white, all good or all bad, all right or all wrong, when that isn't reality and the world just doesn't work that way.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Neither political side has never been exclusively on the right side, nor exclusively wrong side. The real right is a mix of the good in both, but the tribalism of growing stupidity seems to be trying to make everything entirely black and white, all good or all bad, all right or all wrong, when that isn't reality and the world just doesn't work that way.

I blame social media and retarded journalists.
First, had allowed to create enclaves echo-chambers, which are radicalizing people, second, chasing clicks, has become more and more "sensationalist" and basic, fueling division and radicalization of people.

[IndigoErth]

Only issue with that is that this nonsense started up before social media really became much of a thing. The advent and popularity of it has only been a factor in helping make it worse, but not a root cause.


As for journalists... Just doing their jobs and not a root cause either. People can choose to ignore them. They are not some great "enemy" as certain loud mouths at the top seem to want to push people into believing.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

How'd I know this was going to be an Andrew thread...

I know right I didn't even have to click the thread to know that

[MsMarvelDuckie]

History itself will define who is on the right side or not in the end, not the other way around. But I think liberals at least have their hearts in the right place for the most part. We can only get to that ideal of equality when we leave the "different = bad" crap behind us. Star Trek had the right idea. That's how it SHOULD look.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I keep seeing this a lot. But what history, specifically, and how? I know that societies like our own, historically, seem to fall apart after 200 years. Is there a lot of data about societies like our own lasting longer than 200 years that get super liberal (in the way that we think of it today and what they push for) that have thrived I'm not aware of?

I'm not being snarky. I genuinely want to know.

Anyone who says "liberals are on the right side of history" are dangerous, uneducated fools.

Lets not forget that the rise of the Nazi party in Germany was considered a social liberal party who ideas was for workers and strict government control/socialist government. And we all know what this lead too......

Also more recently lets not forget Clinton who sexually assaulted an intern and the dems refused to impeach him. This is also the man who signed NAFTA, Repealed the glass straggle act (which caused the last recession) and increased trade with China..... so YEAH... Democrats are always right!!!!
Liberals and Conservatives both of been on the wrong sided of history from one time or another.

[Leo656]

Well, as I said, it usually takes many years to figure out which side really was "The Right Side" of any issue, and indeed it does vary a lot by issue, so no one side is ever "on the right side of ALL history." So anyone proclaiming theirs to be in the present day is very arrogant and presumptuous.

Like, sure, a lot of them are really just using it to support common-sense ideas like, "Don't be racist", "Don't hate gay people", etc., but by making it a much bigger deal it also makes them as people sound much more noble and important than they really are. "We're crusaders! History will remember us!" They'll remember Stuff Happened, sure. You, specifically? Ehhhh...

People like David Hogg and Whatsername, the other one with the shaved head; they actually use slogans like "Right side of history" and "changing the world" to make these issues about them, specifically, because they want to be notorious. Again, it's all very arrogant and off-putting, and a lot of people, thankfully, see through that kind of thing.

Most Liberals hate Jews, some secretly and others quite openly, so I find it ironic that anti-bigotry is their current Noble Cause when secretly they all want Israel to go away, "Because then the Arabs will all calm down and stop fighting everyone (and each other)." Because yeah, that's gonna work. Just goes to show you, nobody's side is right ALL the time, thus picking sides for anything but case-by-case issues is folly.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Well, as I said, it usually takes many years to figure out which side really was "The Right Side" of any issue, and indeed it does vary a lot by issue, so no one side is ever "on the right side of ALL history." So anyone proclaiming theirs to be in the present day is very arrogant and presumptuous.

Like, sure, a lot of them are really just using it to support common-sense ideas like, "Don't be racist", "Don't hate gay people", etc., but by making it a much bigger deal it also makes them as people sound much more noble and important than they really are. "We're crusaders! History will remember us!" They'll remember Stuff Happened, sure. You, specifically? Ehhhh...

People like David Hogg and Whatsername, the other one with the shaved head; they actually use slogans like "Right side of history" and "changing the world" to make these issues about them, specifically, because they want to be notorious. Again, it's all very arrogant and off-putting, and a lot of people, thankfully, see through that kind of thing.

Most Liberals hate Jews, some secretly and others quite openly, so I find it ironic that anti-bigotry is their current Noble Cause when secretly they all want Israel to go away, "Because then the Arabs will all calm down and stop fighting everyone (and each other)." Because yeah, that's gonna work. Just goes to show you, nobody's side is right ALL the time, thus picking sides for anything but case-by-case issues is folly.

Eh not really? Most left-wingers, especially the ones who are further to the left such as Communists are anti-Israel and pro-Palestine and consider Zionists to be the new Nazis, but I don't think they hate Jewish people per se. Anti-semites tend to be far-right wingers. So, if anything, the hatred for Israel is the biggest thing both far-left wingers and far-right wingers have in common with each other.

[Leo656]

It depends. If you sit and talk with some of them and listen carefully, a lot of times it starts with "It's really just about Israel", but there's a lot of "hidden" Anti-Semitism under the surface with a lot of Liberal types. Don't forget, the banks are "evil" and keeping everybody poor, and "The Jews run the banks", so... connect the dots. Also, sounds kinda familiar, don't it?

Truthfully, a lot of Liberals are just as prejudiced as anyone else, they either just hide it better because they know it's not "polite", or, they disguise it as "helping", like affirmative action. Affirmative action is racist because it implicitly suggests that minorities can't succeed without Special Help being given to them, but liberals argue that it's merely a course-correction in response to the Evil White Male Agenda holding everybody down. But the truth is, it's just racism with a pretty skirt on. "It's not your fault you're not good enough" is still saying "You're not good enough." Which is racist.
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Being raised Catholic, and with my awesome Irish blood being diluted with some Polish pisswater, the far-Right have no love for my mongrel ass any more than they do for the Jews. And yet, I'm a white, straight male, so I'm currently not a friend to the far-Left, either, simply by existing. Tough to find an ally on either pole, these days. The safest bet, as always, is somewhere far away from extremes and somewhere in the middle.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Leo656

It depends. If you sit and talk with some of them and listen carefully, a lot of times it starts with "It's really just about Israel", but there's a lot of "hidden" Anti-Semitism under the surface with a lot of Liberal types. Don't forget, the banks are "evil" and keeping everybody poor, and "The Jews run the banks", so... connect the dots. Also, sounds kinda familiar, don't it?

Truthfully, a lot of Liberals are just as prejudiced as anyone else, they either just hide it better because they know it's not "polite", or, they disguise it as "helping", like affirmative action. Affirmative action is racist because it implicitly suggests that minorities can't succeed without Special Help being given to them, but liberals argue that it's merely a course-correction in response to the Evil White Male Agenda holding everybody down. But the truth is, it's just racism with a pretty skirt on. "It's not your fault you're not good enough" is still saying "You're not good enough." Which is racist.
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Being raised Catholic, and with my awesome Irish blood being diluted with some Polish pisswater, the far-Right have no love for my mongrel ass any more than they do for the Jews. And yet, I'm a white, straight male, so I'm currently not a friend to the far-Left, either, simply by existing. Tough to find an ally on either pole, these days. The safest bet, as always, is somewhere far away from extremes and somewhere in the middle.

Oh now I see what you mean lol

Portugal has barely any Jews. They all got progrommed, expelled or forced to convert to Christianity. And then the Inquisition came and we all know how much they loved the Jews, don't we? Most of the Portuguese Jews escaped to other places, primarily the Netherlands.

"Mongrel ass" just became you have roots from two different countries? By that logic 90% of Americans are "mongrel asses" no?

[Candy Kappa]

Um... actually, sweaty. Liberals are on the left side of history.