"Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" promotes bullying, bigotry - Page 2

~~Leo656~~ · 12-03-2018, 04:24 PM

If Krang ever sold this place to me and Andrew it'd be a goddamn free-for-all.

Time to arrange for some consortium capital!

*Candy Kappa* · 12-03-2018, 04:26 PM

Sounds like the same crowd that gets their hard-on by making articles and videos about Disney movies not being real enough; 'beauty and the beast is all about Stockholm syndrome, are up people' kind of idiots.

Although, Santa could have stopped the other reindeers for bullying Rudolph, "Stop picking on the little freak or else santa is having joika cakes for dinner".

*DarkFell* · 12-03-2018, 04:41 PM

Some people are just no fun anymore.

Besides, everyone made up with Rudolph and Hermey towards the end.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-03-2018, 04:53 PM

I can't get over that the guy's name is "Hermie".

Who wrote this thing, The Rock?

*DarkFell* · 12-03-2018, 04:59 PM

The claymation special was created in 1964: the name Hermie was probably the best that they could do at the time, man.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-03-2018, 05:00 PM

You're right. No way they could've just called him "Dave".

*Andrew NDB* · 12-03-2018, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

If Krang ever sold this place to me and Andrew it'd be a goddamn free-for-all.

Time to arrange for some consortium capital!

~~Vegita-San~~ · 12-03-2018, 06:58 PM

well, to be honest, they only ACCEPTED Rudolph after he became useful to them. we didn't really see them feel being sorry for him at all ;o)

~~Leo656~~ · 12-03-2018, 07:14 PM

HE GOT TO LEAD THE SLEIGH!!! Whattya want, a batch of goddamn Hero Cookies?!

*MikeandRaph87* · 12-03-2018, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Sounds like the same crowd that gets their hard-on by making articles and videos about Disney movies not being real enough; 'beauty and the beast is all about Stockholm syndrome, are up people' kind of idiots.

Although, Santa could have stopped the other reindeers for bullying Rudolph, "Stop picking on the little freak or else santa is having joika cakes for dinner".

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-as-racist.amp

Its the samw bull of people nitpicking hiday classics. 1973's A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving was signaled out 45 years for Franklin sitting on a side all to himself in a lawn chair. I guess having just one minority character can draw attention, but its ridicukous. Let classics be. Some are products of their time while others are being nitpicked with nothing truly wrong with the product. The latter is the same that could bevsaid of Charlie Brown Thanksgiving and Rudolph The Red Nose Reindeer. Heck, Charlie Brown Christmas could cite bullying too. Enjoy the classics and get over it!

*IndigoErth* · 12-03-2018, 08:04 PM

It's a great classic, but yes, when you think about it, pretty much everyone in it does suck for one reason or another. lol

Poor Misfit Bird. I noticed that a few years ago, it suddenly connecting that the elf just kills it. I guess no one told him...

On the other hand though, while there is a lot that is questionable today, it does have plenty of characters that don't let the sucky behavior of others keep them down. The elf does become a dentist, Rudolph keeps going and does prove his worth, Clarice and Rudolph's mother do go out searching for him despite being rudely told that "this is man's work," the toys still believe that they deserve homes and find their answer to getting there...

*Utrommaniac* · 12-03-2018, 09:31 PM

Hell, the Misfit Toys were so deeply adored in the show's first showing, that they wanted to see them find new homes. Since the scene where Santa picks them up was absent from the original.

I feel like Rudolph is suffering from what I call "Haven't Seen Disney's Cinderella Since I was Six" Syndrome and not been to Elf Practice.

(Open to read my Defense of Cinderella essay that's more of a thesis statement to the rest of my point)

Spoiler:

I think there's a similar situation with Rudolph. Except he caves into his abusers for a little while. While he was a child. Because a physiological oddity on a practical child is a different situation from a young woman's step family doing everything possible to deny her the status and wealth left to her by her father that should be rightfully hers. The difference is that a good portion of Rudolph's story is spent with him as a child. It's when he's an adult that he realizes his true potential.
Lots of kids are bullied because they have something "weird" about their bodies. Many of them having something otherwise isn't a detriment to their health. Maybe they have vitiligo. Maybe they're a black kid with bright blue eyes. A huge port wine birthmark on the face. There could be an array of things. To me, Rudolph is those kids.

I actually identify with Herbie more than I do with Rudolf. The outlier with really, really weird interests. And...similar bangs if I let my hair grow out long enough

. But the point still stands with him. Though, with him, his derision comes from more a place of scorn than kids being d!cks to one another. It's more workplace bullying than playground.

If there's anything in the degree of "bullying" that's "being promoted", it's that the emotional hardship of bullying can be overcome. It's that you're not the only oddball in the world; it's that the misfits need to stick together and lift each other up until they're strong enough to prove their worth. It's that some aspects of bullying don't last. Because eventually, some abnormalities will look cool or even beautiful, or career-changing. Or the light through a fog.

There's also the angle of humility at the end of it all. When he was asked to lead the team, he could easily have told Santa and his team to stuck a big ol' stocking up it. But he didn't. There were things that were more important. The children and families who wouldn't be getting a Christmas. The misfit toys that needed homes. He chose to save the day instead of giving his former tormentors what-for and they in turn, having become fvcking adults in mind and body themselves, realized there were better things to do than pick on one of their peers because he had an abnormality.

Everyone here agrees this is a ridiculous topic to be debating, because it's simply not true and is made by people who missed the point and were probably drunk off eggnog the last time they saw it.

I'm Utrommaniac and this has been my fvcking TED Talk! Get to Elf Practice!

(Okay, but the real problem I have with Rudolph is that the deer models were based off the species that were living in Japan, where most of the animation was done. And so a lot of perception on what Reindeer look like has been a bit skewed. Though, I think realistic reindeer might have been harder to depict a red nose on)

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*Allio* · 12-04-2018, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

HE GOT TO LEAD THE SLEIGH!!! Whattya want, a batch of goddamn Hero Cookies?!

We want blood to fuel Rudolph’s nose

*The Deadman* · 12-04-2018, 08:47 AM

Next thing you know, they'll say Frosty is offensive to people with special needs.

*Mayhem* · 12-04-2018, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Utrommaniac

(Okay, but the real problem I have with Rudolph is that the deer models were based off the species that were living in Japan, where most of the animation was done. And so a lot of perception on what Reindeer look like has been a bit skewed. Though, I think realistic reindeer might have been harder to depict a red nose on)

Also the fact that by the time Christmas rolls around, male reindeer have shed their antlers, so Rudolph and company must all be female given their depictions...!

*Wesley* · 12-04-2018, 01:55 PM

This is so lame. It’s one of my favourite songs. All the old Christmas songs will end up banned at this rate.

*Utrommaniac* · 12-04-2018, 02:11 PM

No one wants to ban the song! Hell, I'm pretty sure the people who are trying to say this aren't even people who don't know how to "do" social justice...it's young people trying to be edgelords.

*ProactiveMan* · 12-04-2018, 06:34 PM

I've noticed this phenomenon more and more lately i.e. the mere presence of a theme in media is taken as promotion regardless of context. I've been out of school for 20 years so I have no idea what the state of education is now, but it seems to me like they don't teach reading and comprehension any more.

Star Wars isn't promoting fascism because there is an evil empire in it.

*ranger_scout* · 12-04-2018, 10:14 PM

Corinne Conley, who voiced the doll from the Island of Misfit Toys, has responded to the criticisms that Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer has received.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/12/02/rudolp...orrine-conley/

In other news, a poll showed that the special is actually the most beloved holiday film.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...-finds-1166000

*IMJ* · 12-04-2018, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

The entire plot is about people learning that everybody is unique and we should celebrate our differences.

Do people seriously only watch the first 15 minutes of a show/movie, anymore? Because it sure seems like the point of things is lost on most people, nowadays.

Holy sh*t.

What' actually happening is that it's a fad for people to come up with the next social-justice battle, which of course is ridiculous, and so the mouth-breathers that validate this nonsense also forward nonsense arguments as they scramble to be relevant in front of other mouth breathers who carry these arguments forth.

Basically foolishness is subscribed to by fools who in turn generate foolish examples to justify their foolish life ideas.

We are living in a renewed era of Salem Witch Hunts. It is happening right before our eyes. And it is carried on by two parties- the part of the population who is vindictive about their lives and feel empowered by asserting this nonsense, and the part of the population who is terrified of these people's manipulations and so embed themselves in it to survive. Evil manipulators and cowards.

It has nothing to do with someone missing the point of Rudolph, The Red Nosed Reindeer. Because it is all a manipulation to begin with.

12-03-2018, 04:26 PM	#22
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	Sounds like the same crowd that gets their hard-on by making articles and videos about Disney movies not being real enough; 'beauty and the beast is all about Stockholm syndrome, are up people' kind of idiots. Although, Santa could have stopped the other reindeers for bullying Rudolph, "Stop picking on the little freak or else santa is having joika cakes for dinner". __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

12-03-2018, 08:04 PM	#31
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,296	It's a great classic, but yes, when you think about it, pretty much everyone in it does suck for one reason or another. lol Poor Misfit Bird. I noticed that a few years ago, it suddenly connecting that the elf just kills it. I guess no one told him... On the other hand though, while there is a lot that is questionable today, it does have plenty of characters that don't let the sucky behavior of others keep them down. The elf does become a dentist, Rudolph keeps going and does prove his worth, Clarice and Rudolph's mother do go out searching for him despite being rudely told that "this is man's work," the toys still believe that they deserve homes and find their answer to getting there... Last edited by IndigoErth; 12-03-2018 at 08:13 PM.

12-03-2018, 09:31 PM	#32
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	Hell, the Misfit Toys were so deeply adored in the show's first showing, that they wanted to see them find new homes. Since the scene where Santa picks them up was absent from the original. I feel like Rudolph is suffering from what I call "Haven't Seen Disney's Cinderella Since I was Six" Syndrome and not been to Elf Practice. (Open to read my Defense of Cinderella essay that's more of a thesis statement to the rest of my point) Spoiler: You'll have Soccer Moms and ""Feminists"" (yes, with two sets of quotes) who believe Cinderella was a vapid, passive dreamer who dazed around "waiting for a prince" when that wasn't the case at all. She was a young woman trapped in a horrendously abusive, near inescapable situation, who held her head high and made her own way through it by finding her own ways to be kind and resourceful. She hoped the ball would be a break. She didn't even plan on dancing with a prince. She didn't even know she was dancing with the prince until the next night and was shocked. And that's when she knew she could escape. When she knew the prince was looking for her first, after they had met. Sure, she wasn't a "strong, independent woman" in the way that's being demanded now, but that wasn't the fvcking point. Not every protagonist has to burn her corsets and use a sword and holler about she don't need no man. Sometimes she just has to be her own pillar against her odds and complete stripping of everything to her name. ~~I will defend Cinderella with a caviar fork, I swear to God...~~ I think there's a similar situation with Rudolph. Except he caves into his abusers for a little while. While he was a child. Because a physiological oddity on a practical child is a different situation from a young woman's step family doing everything possible to deny her the status and wealth left to her by her father that should be rightfully hers. The difference is that a good portion of Rudolph's story is spent with him as a child. It's when he's an adult that he realizes his true potential. Lots of kids are bullied because they have something "weird" about their bodies. Many of them having something otherwise isn't a detriment to their health. Maybe they have vitiligo. Maybe they're a black kid with bright blue eyes. A huge port wine birthmark on the face. There could be an array of things. To me, Rudolph is those kids. I actually identify with Herbie more than I do with Rudolf. The outlier with really, really weird interests. And...similar bangs if I let my hair grow out long enough . But the point still stands with him. Though, with him, his derision comes from more a place of scorn than kids being d!cks to one another. It's more workplace bullying than playground. If there's anything in the degree of "bullying" that's "being promoted", it's that the emotional hardship of bullying can be overcome. It's that you're not the only oddball in the world; it's that the misfits need to stick together and lift each other up until they're strong enough to prove their worth. It's that some aspects of bullying don't last. Because eventually, some abnormalities will look cool or even beautiful, or career-changing. Or the light through a fog. There's also the angle of humility at the end of it all. When he was asked to lead the team, he could easily have told Santa and his team to stuck a big ol' stocking up it. But he didn't. There were things that were more important. The children and families who wouldn't be getting a Christmas. The misfit toys that needed homes. He chose to save the day instead of giving his former tormentors what-for and they in turn, having become fvcking adults in mind and body themselves, realized there were better things to do than pick on one of their peers because he had an abnormality. Everyone here agrees this is a ridiculous topic to be debating, because it's simply not true and is made by people who missed the point and were probably drunk off eggnog the last time they saw it. I'm Utrommaniac and this has been my fvcking TED Talk! Get to Elf Practice! (Okay, but the real problem I have with Rudolph is that the deer models were based off the species that were living in Japan, where most of the animation was done. And so a lot of perception on what Reindeer look like has been a bit skewed. Though, I think realistic reindeer might have been harder to depict a red nose on) ) __________________ DeviantART

12-04-2018, 08:47 AM	#34
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12-04-2018, 01:55 PM	#36
Wesley Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 1,597	This is so lame. It’s one of my favourite songs. All the old Christmas songs will end up banned at this rate. __________________ Donatello: The tracker! It might work. Donatello goes to the back of the Turtle Van Raphael: Shrewd move, Donatello. If we ignore the problem, it might go away by itself. (from The Mean Machines)

12-03-2018, 04:24 PM	#21
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	If Krang ever sold this place to me and Andrew it'd be a goddamn free-for-all. Time to arrange for some consortium capital!

12-03-2018, 04:41 PM	#23
DarkFell A Crusty Bob Fan Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: At the current moment, on your screen. Posts: 2,008	Some people are just no fun anymore. Besides, everyone made up with Rudolph and Hermey towards the end.

12-03-2018, 04:53 PM	#24
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I can't get over that the guy's name is "Hermie". Who wrote this thing, The Rock?

12-03-2018, 04:59 PM	#25
DarkFell A Crusty Bob Fan Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: At the current moment, on your screen. Posts: 2,008	The claymation special was created in 1964: the name Hermie was probably the best that they could do at the time, man.

12-03-2018, 05:00 PM	#26
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	You're right. No way they could've just called him "Dave".

12-03-2018, 06:58 PM	#28
~~Vegita-San~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 6,089	well, to be honest, they only ACCEPTED Rudolph after he became useful to them. we didn't really see them feel being sorry for him at all ;o)

12-03-2018, 07:14 PM	#29
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	HE GOT TO LEAD THE SLEIGH!!! *Whattya want, a batch of goddamn Hero Cookies?!*

12-04-2018, 02:11 PM	#37
Utrommaniac Resident overthinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: what is going on.......... Posts: 5,318	No one wants to ban the song! Hell, I'm pretty sure the people who are trying to say this aren't even people who don't know how to "do" social justice...it's young people trying to be edgelords. __________________ DeviantART

12-04-2018, 06:34 PM	#38
ProactiveMan Spooky ghost Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Western Australia Posts: 2,266	I've noticed this phenomenon more and more lately i.e. the mere presence of a theme in media is taken as promotion regardless of context. I've been out of school for 20 years so I have no idea what the state of education is now, but it seems to me like they don't teach reading and comprehension any more. Star Wars isn't promoting fascism because there is an evil empire in it. __________________ ProactiveMan!

12-04-2018, 10:14 PM	#39
ranger_scout Foot Elite Join Date: May 2014 Location: Texas Posts: 3,776	Corinne Conley, who voiced the doll from the Island of Misfit Toys, has responded to the criticisms that *Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer* has received. http://www.tmz.com/2018/12/02/rudolp...orrine-conley/ In other news, a poll showed that the special is actually the most beloved holiday film. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...-finds-1166000