April as a Ally in Combat? - Page 2

~~Leo656~~ · 06-01-2020, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Not my intent. I was thinking more of the Nick April for being the Mary Sue. I don't mind April training some (it should be inevitable, after all, when she's hanging around the TMNT), but like others have already said, she shouldn't be much of a badass. Certainly not Karai / Pimiko / Tang Amaya levels.

Nah. They're really not.

Well, we write different stuff, so maybe, maybe not.

I kinda like the concept of April being able to handle herself in a scrap. Maybe even wielding a katana once in a while. That's hot.

But the whole "psychic powers and plot armor" stuff, nah, that's a bridge too far, for me.

*Coola Yagami* · 06-02-2020, 04:53 AM

I think the major issue is April is supposed to be a normal person in a normal world before the Turtles enter her life. And most normal run-of-the-mill people aren't just casually practicing martial arts. Having her suddenly pick it up and be on par with people that have been trained all their life in martial arts (Karai) is just stupid.

I think if there was some version of April that was already a martial artist or whatever before she met the Turtles, that would kinda work, it would just be jarring for people that are so used to April being Miss Joe Average. Like before the 2012 cartoon I would never think I'd be using physic powers or half alien to describe April.

PizzaPower1985 · 06-02-2020, 06:30 AM

The idea of April as a martial artist would provide real definition to her character and make for some great story possibilities, but as others have said, her martial arts knowledge should offer a very basic protection and get her out of most scrapes within the city. She shouldn't even be a factor with someone like Karai, certainly not Tatsu.

The idea of April as a martial artist did originate in the Archie books right, as an apprentice to Splinter? Well, fine for that version (did they touch on it at all in later Mirage?), but ideally, yeah, I think we're all in agreement here that April should be able to handle herself on the street, but against highly trained ninja or otherwise, No!

April should be resourceful, cunning, intelligent. She should definitely NEVER be a damsel, but if a threat like the Foot enter her life, well, she's f**ked.

*MikeandRaph87* · 06-04-2020, 02:45 PM

What originated this thread was seeing April suddenly take to the field and defeated a lead villain on her own matching skills rather quickly. I read the follow up miniseries yesterday. The art is not something I really care about, its the characters involved, their treatment, and the tone. However, the art in The May East saga is aweful, the funny looking noses and even if Splinter is caught in a predicament he is drawn poorly just the same. May East is Asian? She looks Caucasian to me, always thought she was. I blame it on the poor art. Seeing April in ful ninja gear is mind boggling.

I think it is safe to say that most fans prefer April support the Turtles in other ways and be able to defend herself from a gang or Foot Soldiers, but nothing more. Maybe get lucky once a series by tricking someone who is not Bebop and Rocksteady.

What was the idea during the Triceraton invasion in the 2003 cartoon to make April competent and Casey Jones a klutz? It would seem to be the opposite way around as far as going on a stealthy vigilante mission.

*Coola Yagami* · 06-04-2020, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PizzaPower1985

April should be resourceful, cunning, intelligent. She should definitely NEVER be a damsel, but if a threat like the Foot enter her life, well, she's f**ked.

The problem is, any time a woman is in trouble people consider her a damsel. If you're saying the Foot are a threat to her, yeah she's pretty much a damsel in distress unless the Turtles bust in and save her.

View Poll Results: Should April Fight Alongside the Turtles
No, she is better served helping in other ways.	5	31.25%
Yes, it shows how the character can evolve into a defender.	0	0%
If it works for the direction of the specific version then yes.	4	25.00%
A few select occasions are fine, just not every battle.	7	43.75%
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06-02-2020, 04:53 AM	#22
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,710	I think the major issue is April is supposed to be a normal person in a normal world before the Turtles enter her life. And most normal run-of-the-mill people aren't just casually practicing martial arts. Having her suddenly pick it up and be on par with people that have been trained all their life in martial arts (Karai) is just stupid. I think if there was some version of April that was already a martial artist or whatever before she met the Turtles, that would kinda work, it would just be jarring for people that are so used to April being Miss Joe Average. Like before the 2012 cartoon I would never think I'd be using physic powers or half alien to describe April. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

06-04-2020, 02:45 PM	#24
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	What originated this thread was seeing April suddenly take to the field and defeated a lead villain on her own matching skills rather quickly. I read the follow up miniseries yesterday. The art is not something I really care about, its the characters involved, their treatment, and the tone. However, the art in The May East saga is aweful, the funny looking noses and even if Splinter is caught in a predicament he is drawn poorly just the same. May East is Asian? She looks Caucasian to me, always thought she was. I blame it on the poor art. Seeing April in ful ninja gear is mind boggling. I think it is safe to say that most fans prefer April support the Turtles in other ways and be able to defend herself from a gang or Foot Soldiers, but nothing more. Maybe get lucky once a series by tricking someone who is not Bebop and Rocksteady. What was the idea during the Triceraton invasion in the 2003 cartoon to make April competent and Casey Jones a klutz? It would seem to be the opposite way around as far as going on a stealthy vigilante mission. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

06-02-2020, 06:30 AM	#23
PizzaPower1985 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: United States Posts: 947	The idea of April as a martial artist would provide real definition to her character and make for some great story possibilities, but as others have said, her martial arts knowledge should offer a very basic protection and get her out of most scrapes within the city. She shouldn't even be a factor with someone like Karai, certainly not Tatsu. The idea of April as a martial artist did originate in the Archie books right, as an apprentice to Splinter? Well, fine for that version (did they touch on it at all in later Mirage?), but ideally, yeah, I think we're all in agreement here that April should be able to handle herself on the street, but against highly trained ninja or otherwise, No! April should be resourceful, cunning, intelligent. She should definitely NEVER be a damsel, but if a threat like the Foot enter her life, well, she's f**ked.