Question about Laird. - Page 2

Newton Gimmick · 12-06-2003, 11:50 AM

Ah its good to be back and have Karpo_007 rebuttle everything thats said about the Cartoon about how it was childish and can't compare to the comic.

I never said Laird would bring back R & B, cause I KNOW he won't, because he dislikes the fact that those characters are more popular then the ones he creates. In a definate way he is jealous.

Sorta like Vince McMahon holding down some of his top talent now, Booker T, Benoit, etc because he knows they were WCW creations and were more popular then his current guys.

Laird definately wants nothing to do with the Cartoon or the TNM, because he sees it all as bad ideas, even though he is willing to create tons of new characters, some equally as bad as the ones he complains about, but refuses to accept that he could have some good creations in some of the old characters.

Can't wait til I recreate R & B in my comics, they'll be very enjoyable characters. Tootles.

Donatello · 12-06-2003, 11:57 AM

which of his characters are poor? Fugitoid was never given any chance in the old toon, just a toy.

and i agree it may be interesting to see some old characters like R & B i'd prefer not to. at least not in the Toon or in Vol. 4. i guess a story about them could be done in Tales, depending on how it's premie will be. but if you enter all those characters that other outlets created, it not only seems like he's running out of ideas, but you lose the true focus oof the TMNT

*Bry* · 12-06-2003, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Karpo_007

And the character from the old show won't be back, because this is a New Show, that has nothing to with the old one. So instead of complaining about the new show not having those characters, people should watch the 194 episodes that have them.

Well put, Karpo. It's aggravating to see people dogpiling on Laird's reputation just because they can't accept his original vision for the TMNT. Sorry to say it, kids, but the old cartoon simply isn't what Peter and Kevin had in mind when they created the TMNT back in 1983. It was deemed the most profitable, marketable version to put out in the mainstream market, and they accepted that and cashed in. Now, Peter's got a lot more clout and power over his creations, and he's able to create the show he really wanted. And I know some of you really miss Bebop and Rocksteady, but the simple fact is that Peter doesn't want them around. That's his call to make, and he doesn't 'need to respect' the old cartoon simply because you want him to. It's Laird's creation, and he's made his decision.

And, like Karpo said, old cartoon fans have 194 episodes devoted to their preferred version of the TMNT. So far, new TMNT fans have only seen about 30. So keep things in perspective and just live and let live, alright?

*Bry* · 12-06-2003, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Newton Gimmick

I never said Laird would bring back R & B, cause I KNOW he won't, because he dislikes the fact that those characters are more popular then the ones he creates. In a definate way he is jealous.

If you don't have anything to back up that accusation besides your own bitter theories, I'm going to politely ask you to stop repeating it. It's very disrespectful, and I don't think Peter deserves it.

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Originally Posted by Newton Gimmick

Can't wait til I recreate R & B in my comics, they'll be very enjoyable characters. Tootles.

You won't be able to, as you don't have the rights to the characters.

**Karpo_007** · 12-06-2003, 12:17 PM

Well said. Really don't feel up to start arguing over something so riciculous as weather Laird is jealous or not. So let's leave it at that.

*J Legault* · 12-06-2003, 06:42 PM

I can see the old fans knew more of the Cartoon than the comics.

for me when I seen them i think of the old show.

I didn't know the who the true TMNT until I found the offical website in mid 2002.

and since I know the creator of TMNT more when I view his interview on the DVD of the new show. I can see he didn't have any advantage for the old show or the movies or NTNM.

I don't think he's bossy but I can see he just wants to show the true version of TMNT in the way he likes it.

I would too feel the same for people making my creation of charaters in a wrong direction that leads to no where.

But atleast today he's happy with the way TMNT is today.

"the orignal creator shows the ture version to the work"

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 12-06-2003, 07:03 PM

I do think Laird hates the Next Mutation and he and Eastman both admit to liking the original five episodes of the old cartoon, so it's ridiculous to say that Laird "hates" the old cartoon. He did say that the 194 episodes of the old show and the Archie Series explored that universe adaquately and that it was time to move on. Those are NOT the words of a man that hates the old show, simply those of a man that wants a show more like his (and Eastman's) original comics.

Also, he seems to LOVE the Archie series (the ONLY TMNT universe that everyone seems to agree on, probably because it was perfect Mirage/Old-toon balance). So, we might see some Archie TMNT characters in later seasons.

Now, Next Mutation on the other hand, he does seem to (understandably) hate!

As for Eastman, they basically seem to have just drifted apart, and still respect each other. Laird still gives Eastman due credit for his part in the TMNT's creation.

**Machias Banshee** · 12-06-2003, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TetsuDeinonychus

Also, he seems to LOVE the Archie series (the ONLY TMNT universe that everyone seems to agree on, probably because it was perfect Mirage/Old-toon balance). So, we might see some Archie TMNT characters in later seasons.

*gasps* oh man, if they did some stuff in the cartoon from the Archies...

Blindsight, or something along the same lines....would be INCREDIBLE...

~~Jarrah White~~ · 12-06-2003, 07:45 PM

Then there's a possibility that April might be turned into a turtle...

Newton Gimmick · 12-07-2003, 07:19 AM

I love how some people get so upset about people opinions they start actually downing other people. Someone asked I question, I just gave my opinion on it.

I love the work Laird is doing with the turtles now, and honestly don't think anything should change with the cartoon or comics as they are now. I've never said anything other.

Someone asked if Laird hated the old cartoon and such, and I just responded with my opinion which I find is pretty informed. Anywho.

As for not being able to use R & B, I was referring to my figure comics, and I don't see myself getting sued over the use of them, since its just a fun "fan-fiction" website.

Some of you guys should take a chill pill. Its all about fun and Turtle Power!

**Karpo_007** · 12-07-2003, 07:22 AM

But your opinion is not correct, since interviews with Laird prove otherwise.

*PizzaPower* · 12-07-2003, 09:25 AM

true, I would love to intervew peter laird. Des anybody know his e-mail and can PM me. I will put it on my site.

*Bowser_Koopa* · 12-07-2003, 09:33 AM

-_-...........its was an interview for the dvd or something, i don't knw

Newton Gimmick · 12-07-2003, 09:34 AM

Eh, Karpo its a opinion. You can't tell me if MY opinion is correct, because its MY opinion. There is no right or wrong, with OPINIONS.

It would be interesting to hear Laird answer this question, as well as some more direct questions about the TMNT franchise. The last time I had a chance to meet him or Eastman was long before any of these questions were even around.

Eh, maybe he'll make the convention circuit sometime in the near future to promote all the new TMNT stuff.

*PizzaPower* · 12-07-2003, 09:36 AM

Does anybody have his e-mail address? You I can e-mail him PM me.

**Karpo_007** · 12-07-2003, 10:53 AM

You are right, let me put it this way: Saying what some other person thinks is not your opinion, it's a claim. Your claim is wrong, Laird has said many times he does not hate the cartoon, but neither he or Eastman were really happy how it turned out in the long run.

*jeff the cheff* · 12-07-2003, 11:03 AM

I think Laird is jelous that the old show characters are more popular then his, because they are. I think its a fact that the old show was more popular then the new show and the comics. I know I would be jelous if someone elses characters were more popular then mine.

**Karpo_007** · 12-07-2003, 11:43 AM

I already said this, why on earth would he be jealous about the fact that children's cartoon characters are more popular? There is no reason. And since Mirage owns the characters, that would mean he is jealous of himself. Ridiculous claim that has nothing to back it up, I said it once, this should be dropped.

raphael90 · 12-07-2003, 12:49 PM

I'll say this, if the rest of the cartoon series had been like the first five eps. I probably would enjoy it even more. Personally, I like Bebop and Rocksteady and the comedy they provide. But I liked them just as well in the first five too, they were cool as human punks. Just wanted to add this....back to the discussion of Laird.

**Karpo_007** · 12-07-2003, 12:58 PM

Definetly, even today I wonder why they decided to change the series like that.

12-06-2003, 11:57 AM	#22
Donatello Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ny Posts: 565	which of his characters are poor? Fugitoid was never given any chance in the old toon, just a toy. and i agree it may be interesting to see some old characters like R & B i'd prefer not to. at least not in the Toon or in Vol. 4. i guess a story about them could be done in Tales, depending on how it's premie will be. but if you enter all those characters that other outlets created, it not only seems like he's running out of ideas, but you lose the true focus oof the TMNT __________________ "There's no way to describe what I do. It's just me." -Andy Kaufman (my biggest inspiration, the TMNT being a close second)

12-06-2003, 06:42 PM	#26
J Legault Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Coast Posts: 2,054	I can see the old fans knew more of the Cartoon than the comics. for me when I seen them i think of the old show. I didn't know the who the true TMNT until I found the offical website in mid 2002. and since I know the creator of TMNT more when I view his interview on the DVD of the new show. I can see he didn't have any advantage for the old show or the movies or NTNM. I don't think he's bossy but I can see he just wants to show the true version of TMNT in the way he likes it. I would too feel the same for people making my creation of charaters in a wrong direction that leads to no where. But atleast today he's happy with the way TMNT is today. "the orignal creator shows the ture version to the work" __________________ I am a fan of TMNT and I'm still one today. I got into the habbit back in 1992 or 93' when I was little. I would like to thank my 2 year older cousin for getting me in the habbit. 2001 was when I revised my knowledge on TMNT. And today I'm a bigger fan than I was years ago. I have all 3 TMNT Movies, current Toon, and old school Toon on DVD.

12-06-2003, 07:03 PM	#27
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	I do think Laird hates the Next Mutation and he and Eastman both admit to liking the original five episodes of the old cartoon, so it's ridiculous to say that Laird "hates" the old cartoon. He did say that the 194 episodes of the old show and the Archie Series explored that universe adaquately and that it was time to move on. Those are NOT the words of a man that hates the old show, simply those of a man that wants a show more like his (and Eastman's) original comics. Also, he seems to LOVE the Archie series (the ONLY TMNT universe that everyone seems to agree on, probably because it was perfect Mirage/Old-toon balance). So, we might see some Archie TMNT characters in later seasons. Now, Next Mutation on the other hand, he does seem to (understandably) hate! As for Eastman, they basically seem to have just drifted apart, and still respect each other. Laird still gives Eastman due credit for his part in the TMNT's creation. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

12-07-2003, 09:25 AM	#32
PizzaPower Foot Elite Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pizza Parlor Posts: 3,200	true, I would love to intervew peter laird. Des anybody know his e-mail and can PM me. I will put it on my site. __________________ https://www.twitch.tv/turtlepizzapower

12-07-2003, 09:36 AM	#35
PizzaPower Foot Elite Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Pizza Parlor Posts: 3,200	Does anybody have his e-mail address? You I can e-mail him PM me. __________________ https://www.twitch.tv/turtlepizzapower

12-06-2003, 11:50 AM	#21
Newton Gimmick Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,154	Ah its good to be back and have Karpo_007 rebuttle everything thats said about the Cartoon about how it was childish and can't compare to the comic. I never said Laird would bring back R & B, cause I KNOW he won't, because he dislikes the fact that those characters are more popular then the ones he creates. In a definate way he is jealous. Sorta like Vince McMahon holding down some of his top talent now, Booker T, Benoit, etc because he knows they were WCW creations and were more popular then his current guys. Laird definately wants nothing to do with the Cartoon or the TNM, because he sees it all as bad ideas, even though he is willing to create tons of new characters, some equally as bad as the ones he complains about, but refuses to accept that he could have some good creations in some of the old characters. Can't wait til I recreate R & B in my comics, they'll be very enjoyable characters. Tootles.

12-06-2003, 12:17 PM	#25
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well said. Really don't feel up to start arguing over something so riciculous as weather Laird is jealous or not. So let's leave it at that.

12-06-2003, 07:45 PM	#29
~~Jarrah White~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 2,394	Then there's a possibility that April might be turned into a turtle...

12-07-2003, 07:19 AM	#30
Newton Gimmick Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,154	I love how some people get so upset about people opinions they start actually downing other people. Someone asked I question, I just gave my opinion on it. I love the work Laird is doing with the turtles now, and honestly don't think anything should change with the cartoon or comics as they are now. I've never said anything other. Someone asked if Laird hated the old cartoon and such, and I just responded with my opinion which I find is pretty informed. Anywho. As for not being able to use R & B, I was referring to my figure comics, and I don't see myself getting sued over the use of them, since its just a fun "fan-fiction" website. Some of you guys should take a chill pill. Its all about fun and Turtle Power!

12-07-2003, 07:22 AM	#31
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	But your opinion is not correct, since interviews with Laird prove otherwise.

12-07-2003, 09:33 AM	#33
Bowser_Koopa Very yes Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Not so far, go back a little Posts: 1,849	-_-...........its was an interview for the dvd or something, i don't knw

12-07-2003, 09:34 AM	#34
Newton Gimmick Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,154	Eh, Karpo its a opinion. You can't tell me if MY opinion is correct, because its MY opinion. There is no right or wrong, with OPINIONS. It would be interesting to hear Laird answer this question, as well as some more direct questions about the TMNT franchise. The last time I had a chance to meet him or Eastman was long before any of these questions were even around. Eh, maybe he'll make the convention circuit sometime in the near future to promote all the new TMNT stuff.

12-07-2003, 10:53 AM	#36
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	You are right, let me put it this way: Saying what some other person thinks is not your opinion, it's a claim. Your claim is wrong, Laird has said many times he does not hate the cartoon, but neither he or Eastman were really happy how it turned out in the long run.

12-07-2003, 11:03 AM	#37
jeff the cheff Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: 122 and an eighth Posts: 2,129	I think Laird is jelous that the old show characters are more popular then his, because they are. I think its a fact that the old show was more popular then the new show and the comics. I know I would be jelous if someone elses characters were more popular then mine.

12-07-2003, 11:43 AM	#38
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I already said this, why on earth would he be jealous about the fact that children's cartoon characters are more popular? There is no reason. And since Mirage owns the characters, that would mean he is jealous of himself. Ridiculous claim that has nothing to back it up, I said it once, this should be dropped.

12-07-2003, 12:49 PM	#39
raphael90 Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ...down in the sewer listening to Skinny Puppy... Posts: 618	laird, etc. I'll say this, if the rest of the cartoon series had been like the first five eps. I probably would enjoy it even more. Personally, I like Bebop and Rocksteady and the comedy they provide. But I liked them just as well in the first five too, they were cool as human punks. Just wanted to add this....back to the discussion of Laird. __________________ "Babies? These things haven't even been BORN yet!" -Raphael

12-07-2003, 12:58 PM	#40
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Definetly, even today I wonder why they decided to change the series like that.