Protests in Iran

[Mayhem]

Repeat of 1979 then?

(you get a pretty good picture of things in the UK as one of the leading female comedians here is Iranian and her family had to flee the country when she was 6)

The incident was reported on British online news media here, so i saw it...

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

because I personally think conservative and extremism don't belong in the same sentence.

Oh, they absolutely do belong in the same sentence, sometimes.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Heard about this the other day via an Iranian citizen. Supposedly obvious signs of concussions, etc. Sorry, but this is what the extreme conservative kind of crap (to the level parts of this nation seems to be craving) leads to, harmful restrictions and overreactions to things, like hurting someone to the point that they die because of a clothing choice, and there is no sense to it. Bad enough there are dress requirements that, if not followed, wouldn't make the would collapse, but you'd think there might be reasonable "punishments" like, oh I dunno, a fine?

So some women dies because she had HAIR, that her deity apparently wanted her to have or it wouldn't have grown atop her damn head, by theist logic.

Imagine believing islam is "conservatism". Lol. FFS.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Imagine believing islam is "conservatism". Lol. FFS.

Anything differing from the left narrative is considered conservativism to these wackos regardless of it it makes sense or if it's even from another country with completely different views.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

Imagine believing islam is "conservatism". Lol. FFS.

"No true Scotsman" extreme flavor.

[Leo656]

How the actual f*ck is Islam NOT "conservative"? They literally are predominantly religious fundamentalists, which is a conservative ideology on its face, they are generally opposed to mixing the races, which is ALSO a conservative talking point, subjugate women into being second-class citizens which - yep - is again a conservative tactic, and have VERY antiquated and backwards thoughts and opinions on sexuality, specifically that gay people need to die and that men can do whatever they like but women aren't allowed to even enjoy sex or else they might be put to death. So again, deeply Conservative values.

They're basically like darker-skinned Mormons with slightly more fanatical and dangerous beliefs, and I don't see anyone ever questioning for a second whether or not Mormons are "conservative".

Every single thing about Islam is rooted in Religious Fundamentalist Conservatism. Likewise, ALL religious fundamentalists of ANY flavor are by definition conservative, because religion by its very definition is "conservative ideology". You cannot be a religious fundamentalist and also be a Liberal, as liberal ideology mostly rejects the notion of religion outright as an outdated and dangerous means of thought control. NO religion promotes what are so-called "liberal" values, therefore all religions are conservative by definition and practice, period. Some are simply more extreme than others.

Put simply, anyone who belongs to a religious cult is a conservative by definition. Except maaaaaybe the Scientologists but that's not even a "real" religion. Everything else, though - Christianity, Mormonism, Baptist, Catholic, Islam, Judaism - they are ALL conservative in their values and ideologies and that's perhaps the one thing they all have most in common.

But yeah, with regards to Islam specifically.... things like "cutting a baby girl's clit off so that she never has an orgasm", or "having a harem of submissive wives" are overwhelmingly conservative ideas. Ask most of the men in Texas or Mississippi or any other red state how they'd feel about that stuff, and I think you'd find a ton of them who'd think those were absolutely fantastic ideas as long as you didn't tell them who came up with them.

People around here love to throw out words and labels like "liberal" and "conservative" and assign roles as to who belongs where, but a shocking number of you don't have even the slightest f*cking idea what you're talking about.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Leo656

How the actual f*ck is Islam NOT "conservative"? They literally are predominantly religious fundamentalists, which is a conservative ideology on its face, they are generally opposed to mixing the races, which is ALSO a conservative talking point, subjugate women into being second-class citizens which - yep - is again a conservative tactic, and have VERY antiquated and backwards thoughts and opinions on sexuality, specifically that gay people need to die and that men can do whatever they like but women aren't allowed to even enjoy sex or else they might be put to death. So again, deeply Conservative values.

They're basically like darker-skinned Mormons with slightly more fanatical and dangerous beliefs, and I don't see anyone ever questioning for a second whether or not Mormons are "conservative".

Every single thing about Islam is rooted in Religious Fundamentalist Conservatism. Likewise, ALL religious fundamentalists of ANY flavor are by definition conservative, because religion by its very definition is "conservative ideology". You cannot be a religious fundamentalist and also be a Liberal, as liberal ideology mostly rejects the notion of religion outright as an outdated and dangerous means of thought control. NO religion promotes what are so-called "liberal" values, therefore all religions are conservative by definition and practice, period. Some are simply more extreme than others.

Put simply, anyone who belongs to a religious cult is a conservative by definition. Except maaaaaybe the Scientologists but that's not even a "real" religion. Everything else, though - Christianity, Mormonism, Baptist, Catholic, Islam, Judaism - they are ALL conservative in their values and ideologies and that's perhaps the one thing they all have most in common.

But yeah, with regards to Islam specifically.... things like "cutting a baby girl's clit off so that she never has an orgasm", or "having a harem of submissive wives" are overwhelmingly conservative ideas. Ask most of the men in Texas or Mississippi or any other red state how they'd feel about that stuff, and I think you'd find a ton of them who'd think those were absolutely fantastic ideas as long as you didn't tell them who came up with them.

People around here love to throw out words and labels like "liberal" and "conservative" and assign roles as to who belongs where, but a shocking number of you don't have even the slightest f*cking idea what you're talking about.

They're an unhinged death loving cult, like the lunatic left. Lol

[Vegita-San]

yep. like I said before. Conservative is just that. taking it nice and slow and accepting change when it makes sense...denying it when it doesn't.

what islam is is something else entirely. And they'd probably call you an infidel for saying they where conservative.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

They're an unhinged death loving cult, like the lunatic left. Lol

Meanwhile, Republicans want MORE guns in schools and also, "Kill All Teh Gayz", so... exactly WHO is the "death-loving cult", again?

Christ Almighty, you people. It'd be funny if I weren't well aware that at least some of you vote. At least breeding is generally out of the question for most people here, so there's that.

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

what islam is is something else entirely. And they'd probably call you an infidel for saying they where conservative.

They can call me whatever they want, it's not my fault they're THE most conservative (and backwards) religion on Earth by ten miles. Even Christian Baptists and the like generally hit Pause on the idea of snipping off a baby girl's clitoris so she can "stay pure" forever. I mean, Christians don't want women to ever have an orgasm EITHER, but they mostly just use mind control and submission to get them into a "Sex Is Icky" mindset so they'll never enjoy it, or will deny enjoying it... but they don't literally mutilate and/or beat them over it. Most times.

I've known some decent people who also happened to be Muslim but they're very lax in their practicing. The fully-indoctrinated ones, though... yeah, anyone who says they're not dangerous is kidding themselves. Thankfully, "not all of them".

[Turo602]

Originally Posted by Leo656

People around here love to throw out words and labels like "liberal" and "conservative" and assign roles as to who belongs where, but a shocking number of you don't have even the slightest f*cking idea what you're talking about.

Is it really that shocking? Look around you.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Turo602

Is it really that shocking? Look around you.

It's probably the same exact reason some of them loved me last year but hate me now. When a person has the correct opinion on something like the virus or the vaccine mandates, it kind of makes people think "Well, they're 100% on the ball about this one Important Thing so maybe we'll also be in agreement about Many Other Things."

But yes, I am now very much more keenly aware that the very fact that this is a TMNT message board means that it simply will not attract the best nor the brightest. It did admittedly kind of sneak up on me, though, at least a little.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Anything differing from the right narrative is considered liberal or socialism to these wackos regardless of it it makes sense or if it's even from another country with completely different views.

Corrected that for you!

As Leo eloquently pointed out (even though the word eloquent is probably something he’d never call himself) religion and conservatism go hand in hand a lot of the time. But that isn’t to say there aren’t left wing religious nut jobs either. Just less of them.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Meanwhile, Republicans want MORE guns in schools

Like by security personnel or such? Of course. No brainer. Better there is a chance in these school shootings than "let's wait for the cops and hopefully #1, they're not cowards and #2, they get there in time." Both or either being pretty horrific gambits.

But I get it. You don't relate. No kids and no plans. Same as the loudest people against protecting kids in schools. Very easy to form a basic ideology about guns and protection of schools from that place when you have no skin in the game and never will.

and also, "Kill All Teh Gayz"

Definitely haven't come across any of that, even in encountering various fringes. That's pretty weird. But Jersey is a long way from Seattle, I'll grant.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

As Leo eloquently pointed out (even though the word eloquent is probably something he’d never call himself)

Eloquent and/or Esoteric, they both fit pretty well.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Like by security personnel or such? Of course. No brainer. Better there is a chance in these school shootings than "let's wait for the cops and hopefully #1, they're not cowards and #2, they get there in time." Both or either being pretty horrific gambits.

But I get it. You don't relate. No kids and no plans. Same as the loudest people against protecting kids in schools. Very easy to form a basic ideology about guns and protection of schools from that place when you have no skin in the game and never will.



Definitely haven't come across any of that, even in encountering various fringes. That's pretty weird. But Jersey is a long way from Seattle, I'll grant.

- Last I heard, their most popular "plan" was sticking armed PTSD-riddled military veterans in there, and it shouldn't take more than a few seconds of thought to realize that's horrifying, and why. Also, you assume these hypothetical "good guys with guns" would be even the slightest bit more competent and less pathetic than their peers in law enforcement have proven to be when confronted with the same circumstances. Which is asking a lot. Your plan is a great way to ensure a lot of accidental dead kids when G.I. Joe Sixpack over there sees a Muslim kid and his Gulf War flashbacks kick in. The lawsuits from that are gonna be just epic.

Next you'll be telling me we need to be arming the teachers, something else a lot of well-meaning lunatics say with a straight face. Oh, you guys. You probably also think active shooter drills do anything except make kids incredibly neurotic, irrationally terrified and prematurely depressed.

There's much better solutions to the problem of school shootings, but nobody right-leaning wants to hear them because they start with "Not picking on and ostracizing kids until they have a psychotic break" and end with "Also, teenagers don't ever need or deserve access to assault weapons." Two things conservatives adore more than anything is picking on those who are weaker and/or different from them, and making sure everyone is fully-armed "just in case". And they also don't see how those things create disaster when mixed, because seeing just over the next hill isn't something they've proven to be terrific at, historically.

It's not from "no skin in the game", it's about having some common sense, and understanding what is more likely to work than not versus What Absolutely Will Not Work. Frankly, and with respect, I'd argue that your "skin in the game" has affected your rational judgment on some topics, and made you look at them Emotionally rather than Logically. It happens.

Hypothetically, it would just be a lot easier to make it harder for bullied teens with a long and well-documented history of mental illness and violent behavior to ever obtain guns. It's actually very easy to identify these people well in advance, as numerous studies have proven multiple causality factors, and since we can pretty much pick them out in advance we can also hypothetically take steps to prevent them getting access to guns, or at least make it a lot harder for them than "jack into Daddy's gun safe". But hey, instead of exploring those options, let's just hope that "The Guy Who REALLY Wants This Job Walking Around A School Full Of Kids With A Loaded Gun" is a well-adjusted adult (Not Likely) and not Dollar Store Rambo instead (Actually Very Likely). Totally not a disaster waiting to happen, guys. Aye-yi-yi.

- As for the gay hatred thing, I admit this is more something I witness on the internet than in Real Life. Nobody around here is too homophobic, at least not outspokenly so, but as I've mentioned I do read the news (and the comments) pretty often, and WOW, it sure is loud on that there internet. Like "they all need to just die" loud.

And again, most of those types of people insist they don't want gay people dead because THEY want them dead, specifically, they just swear up and down "GOD is pretty clear on the subject, whattya want from me?"

I'm not saying every Republican wishes gay people dead. I am however saying that anyone who says they want gay people dead definitely votes Republican and that it's not a false generalization to make.

I mean, point of fact, any time someone in America is one or two breaths away from advocating full-blown genocide against an entire group of people, any group of people... "Kill the gays! Kill the Muslims! Kill the Jews!" and so on... it's someone who votes Republican. That should at the very least make a conservative-leaning person take stock, I'd think, if for no other reason to ensure that they themselves aren't falling off the deep end, because as we've seen a lot, it's very easy for some people to do. "We were talking about fiscal responsibility an hour ago, but now I'm at a goddamn militia meeting handing out guns and bibles. I really feel like the road from There to Here should be a lot longer than it is..."

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Meanwhile, Republicans want MORE guns in schools and also, "Kill All Teh Gayz", so... exactly WHO is the "death-loving cult", again?

More guns equals more safety. Carry & save lives. Data backs this up.

As far as killing gays? Thats death cults like westboro which is not a legitimate church. They're devil worshipping cultists just like all liberals, islam & catholics. Actual Christian's do not claim them. They do not represent us. Islam loves throwing the lgbtq off rooftops while some of them are gay too so.... **shrugs**

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

More guns equals more safety. Carry & save lives. Data backs this up.

I go outside every single day and see how brick-stupid most human beings are in general, so I am forced to politely but strongly disagree with your thesis. Most of these people shouldn't even be driving cars. I don't want to think about them having access to firearms.

In theory, I support the general right of most people to arm and protect themselves.

In reality, though? I'm very glad there are systems in place specifically designed to keep certain people - like me, for example - from ever getting their hands on a gun and I wouldn't be too upset if those systems were a bit more strict than they are, because it's a privilege MOST people really should not be trusted with, objectively.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by mrmaczaps

As far as killing gays? Thats death cults like westboro which is not a legitimate church. They're devil worshipping cultists just like all liberals, islam & catholics. Actual Christian's do not claim them. They do not represent us. Islam loves throwing the lgbtq off rooftops while some of them are gay too so.... **shrugs**

"No true Scotsman"... for the 3rd time. Hypocrite as well, but we knew that.

You'd shoot holes in a dictionary for giving you the "wrong" definitions, wouldn't you...

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Corrected that for you!

As Leo eloquently pointed out (even though the word eloquent is probably something he’d never call himself) religion and conservatism go hand in hand a lot of the time. But that isn’t to say there aren’t left wing religious nut jobs either. Just less of them.

I honestly don't think the right cares much about 'wokeness' in other countries (except in cases where stimulus checks were literally held back until they were sure a certain amount would have gone to the Ukraine for gender studies), so much as they roll their eyes at it.

The left seems more obsessed with their ideology being spread everywhere despite it not making sense depending on how certain countries are run. The right seems to shrug or point and laugh when wokeness spreads elsewhere. In the end, it's not really our problem if the Ukraine has gender studies or not.

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

"No true Scotsman"... for the 3rd time. Hypocrite as well, but we knew that.

You'd shoot holes in a dictionary for giving you the "wrong" definitions, wouldn't you...

Only these new democrat "can call yourself a tree if you want" dictionaries. Be dumb if you want, no skin off my a$$. Keep killing babies before they're born. Keep leaving kids defenseless in schools. Keep thinking the law is there to protect your butthurt feelings. Keep that mask on 24/7 & your head up your a$$.

[Leo656]

And of course: Keep spouting that bumper sticker rhetoric, it totally gets chicks moist.